crumpet

What would you suggest? seeing as im banned until im a grandad im going to get my MSA license again and do sprinting/hillclimbing as you dont need insurance/license to do so, i had my first msa license when i was 16.

Ive been looking at

106 gti
saxo vts
306 gti-6
zx volcane ( can tune these very well! quicker than vts/gti in road trim)
16v ax gt/106 xsi
etc

any ideas? Ideally want to spend £600-800 on the car and the rest on other wee haldning parts etc!

cheers

Joshy

what about Xr2i striped with some sticky tiers and some adjustable dampers.

crumpet

had a look at those too, but just seem fat and slobby? dont go in a straight line and dont corner, wouldnt mind a mk3 escort with a zetec engine though

The Youth.

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first thing you need to do it look at the regs/class you will/can race in and then look at what the other guys are using

steve

crumpet

well theyre all in the same class as theyre over 1.4,Mostly mi16 205's are used, The quickest and best handling for my budget are the ax/106 and saxo, zx is 1050kg and gti6 is 1200, but zx will have the most torque, my old zx's and 306's i made as quick as friends vts's and gti's, my last 306 was as quick as a t25 r5 gt turbo, cant really think of anything better for the money

Albino Deano

I started hillclimbing again last year looked long and hard for something cheep to start with so went for a Honda crx vtec in 1600 class broke all the local hill records and sprint records but ended up breaking my last record going over the finish line upside down top cars tho.

pee vee

I know of a 172 cup for less than 3k. that'd do as well as all them i expect. bit out of the budget though i spose

stevieturbo

The Volcane will probably be the cheapest purchase, and best all rounder.

Hobomassiv

I reckon you could buy a ka and get a 2.0 or rst in there for 1400 quid

crumpet

No room to work on a KA, Went to look at a severn valley one from telford a while ago for a swap for a dturbo i had, was shit. Plus my ex whos got a power ranger chin has one

ive already had a eg6 vti, b16a2, was reliable and alot quicker than ep3 civics, But findin another for £1500 the same spec will be impossible, crx's rust like mad and most are dogs by now.

Ive drove just about every car ive ever wanted to so fitting the description is a hard choice, for handling, torque and reliablity the zx fits into the box but they suffer with rust on sills and front panels, Cheap too, paid £300 for my pruple 5 door and £300 for my 2 3 doors, id love a rsturbo but they handle pants :/

Ive drove a clio 172, bit to ''easy'' if you get me? feel like the cars doing the work, ive found a few battered 172's for under £1400 though, but suffer with gearbox issues

the mk1 kid

Got to be the 106/saxo - so many parts available that running/crashing them wont be a problem, and long term life will just be that much easier IMO.

Tom

Chip

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Phase 1 mk2 clio 172 and rip every ounce you can out of it.

crumpet

are the phase 1's spring at the rear or torsion bar chip?

crumpet

jesus i didnt find these 172's for under £1500!

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2277629.htm

Just been lookin at bits for them ,and parts are expensive, yozzasport and ktec anyway, kam racing for 106's are good, i can get a 2nd hand pugsport/supersprint for £100-150 and a manifold for £50 for a 106/vts

jammerrs

id get a 106 personally, but you seem to want a zx so get one of those

crumpet

well just thinking about ideas for the future, the £1500 i have to spend, what if i was to save it and put it towards the cosworth fund? would be clser to get a saph then, i keep thinking of starting sprinting again though!

crumpet

zx's




One of my old ones

dug112y

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WTF is that heap above...are you at the wind up??
keep the 1500 to go towards a cossie and use it on the track aswell....buying a fookin citreon zx and tuning it for the track is an idea for a MONG

p.s sprint the cossie too in road class

Chip

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You are seriously recomending a cossie for someone considering:
a) he is on a limited budget
b) he wants to actually be competitive


Fuck that!

DAN P

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ha ha 1500 for a cossie that will be good on track lol i spent 8k on one and it still did not handle very well lol

dug112y

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read his posts properly people..number 16.....he is saving for a cossie and was/is going to buy a citroen zx to sprint.!!! he might as well not waste the 1500 IMO
will a zx be competitive...i doubt it....a cossie prob wont be either but he will have some quick fun

crumpet

I may be a mong yes but My god i dont think you understand how i could ever be arsed to use a barge cossie on a sprint course/hillclimb, a 2wd sapphire would be shit compared to a 800kg 106.When i do get a saph i want to spent minimum of £4-4.5k on a decent one, and garage it and use it weekends only, if anything was to happen to it i would hate myself and would lose love for it.

Im not a wind up at all, i wish i made a few videos of my old zx and what it was capable of, you might not understand the ways of tuning Bosch ve fuel pumps and the Xud engines, i can easily make 130-140 bhp from one from just pump and boost tuning, thats 40+bhp up from standard and not changing the 9mm head in the pump to 11mm. They handle really well and put the power down nicely, plus the ZX box is the same as a HDi box, very close ratios for acceleration to 3rd then longer 4th and 5th, my old 306 xtdt used to sit on alot of j4 engined saxos/106s.Plus it costs nothing to tune them, ive 2 spare turbo's, xantia inlet mani for fmic, still got my fmic, they come with 2 1.4" exhausts as standard and just need the centerbox and back box getting rid of, Also a non turbo cam can work wonders.

Exactlly i know a few people in the past have bought ropey saphs for £2k but i wouldnt! Ive been going to local events for many years now and the majority of the cars used are 205 gti's, metro's and mini's with the occasional 106/saxo/306, then the ex f3 Judd engined cars etc.

Ideally id want to spend max of £800-1k on a decent road going car, then sell the trim and parts i wouldnt need like interior to make some money back, then suspension,brakes and exhaust/filter

Majority of fast fords dont handle even when you throw plenty of cash at them so ive learnt, I remember watching a escort cos going round a local course and compared to the 300bhp evo 6 before it, it was shocking.

cheers!

Joshy

i give you----

1.8 zetec focus!!!

Chip

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FAR easier to make a ZX competitive for hillclimbs than a cossie!

I think you are forgetting its split into classes! Anything turbo is likely to see you racing against evos!

dug112y

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read my post chip...i said a cossie prob wont be either. i know its split into classes mate , i might be dong a bit next year mate. it will be hard to be competitive with a 1500 budget with anything

crumpet

the zx would be in the same class as a 205 mi16, 106 gti etc, i think anyway as its a 1.9 turbo diesel, may be put into the 1.4 class though as of the power and i dont think many would know what you can do to them, for a zx id only have to spend £800-900 too inc coilovers, ( come with gti6 disc beams fitted as standard) fmic, all the other parts id need too, new gear linkages, discs+pads, dont really need anything else.

Anything over 2.0 and turbo is in the big boys class, thats evo's, cossies, impreza's, audi wr/ur ( nothing has a chance against these)

sprinting/hillclimbing can be one of the cheapest motorsports avalible, autox is the cheapest iirc

madsi

mazda mx 5? little and arse end drive for fun

dug112y

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140bhp citroen zx...sorry not my thing........ a 106 would be a good choice but £800 to £1000 wont last long buying,preparing,modifiying and sprinting a car. i didnt know you wanted a cossie for just your weekend car inbetween your competition weekends. i have seen many a cossie sprinted some better than others...depends what class your going to run in and up against in your local area. research what classes you can be competitive in for your budget.if you can make a zx work and have spares i think thats what you should use.

dug112y

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read back what you've wrote above..i was right you are a mong if you think a zx diesel will keep up with a 205 mi 16 on a sprint course FFS. AND you want to buy a car and fit coilovers to it and prep it for sprinting for £8-900!!! what about harness.seat,tyres etc for a start..

lawnsy

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Bigern on here has a 205 MI16 for sale very cheap and its already got suspension mods and handles mint....And you'd still have money left..Originally was a 1.9 gti and it has rear disks.....

crumpet

Ive seen it lawnsy

dug i never said it would be competition for a mi16 205, i know it is against a 106 gti though. who needs harnesses and buckets? theyre for die hard failures

Daviet

sprinting and hilclimb is what you said at the very start??
and now your saying harnesses and buckets are for failures lol
so what hillclimb or sprint would let you not have them??
and if its for trackdays you need a licence.
i personally think your on evo stick if you think you can go hillclimbing in a 4 door turbo diesel zx lol.
ive been in 2.0 16v zx when it was brand new and did go well but nothing great i cant imagine how bad the diesel one would be.
rather than trying to be different why not see what others use as they obvousl do for a reason... and then you may have a chance of getting second hand parts etc and might have a fighting chance on your budget.
Big rons track 205 would be your best bet if you could get extra funds.
ive been in that car at croft before and goes very well

crumpet

you see many people under estimate the volcanes when tuned, now days people are making 180+bhp from the mechanical pumped xud engine, 1 lad from cornwall has made 213bhp.

theres lots of road going cars on sprints and hillclimbs too you know

mole123

What are haldning parts?

crumpet

Shhhh the grammar police will find me

Alps Pacino

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2296947.htm

crumpet

could probably get that for £1800 but still too much i wanna spend, I keep lookin at a huge array of cars and its gettin annoying pmsl

think ive found the ideal type of car, 205 gti with a 2.0 8v 406/zx turbo engine, easy to get 180bhp and can source them for under £1500

Alps Pacino

you couldnt you could get it dor 2k though lol

stevieturbo

Just buy the ZX Volcane. It already has a 2.0 16v with around 150+bhp, and handle fairly decent without weighing too much.
And they are cheap to buy.

A mate sold one a few months back for £1300, and it was in excellent condition. You'd be able to find them cheaper in good condition though

rs-tuner

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