Moonstone Steve.

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Just read this and its boiled my piss ffs
http://bbs.rsownersclub.co.uk/showthread.php?t=309781

Steve

SiST

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Just read the topic and it sounds completely pointless. A load of people taking advantage of a little bit of power - its a car club!!

Chip

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Can see both sides to it, the National club needs to have representatives from the local clubs present when it holds meetings or its just not one club at all really.

But that said, Kent is such an active group and so well established that it does seem ridiculous to kick them out, cant see who's interests that is actually in!

Richie.

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Rules are rules


Surely its not difficult to get one of the 300 members to got to the LGM once in two years

charlie luciano

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Its not quite like that fella, rules are rules and as a local group you have to attend the RSOC AGM/LGM once every two years or you will be excluded from the club, I know Middx RSOC have just got back in after a year out in the cold

as for the Kent RSOC crew, great meet, great venue and a great bunch of people, they'll get back in next year with no problems


Luciano

Chip

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Getting kicked out of the RSOC was the best thing to happen to Middlesex in recent years, the old committee didnt give a shit about the club anymore and it allowed new blood in and charlie and ran etc have done a good job of turning it around, it was a club that REALLY needed a boot up the arse, cant say that about Kent though, its a shame that it has happened, but like Charlie says, it will only be temporary anyway

bigryrs

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More to life than getting upset about this!

RWD_cossie_wil

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Typical RS Moaners club, this is why I have not joined in 12 years of continual ownership of RS cars....... Club is totally self obsessed with people getting above thier station, thinking that a bit of "power" makes them special .. The infighting is comical, and I for one would rarther just enjoy my cars with like minded people, than bitch about who has the oldest membership number, which way Rs500 numbers are stamped etc etc...

The Black country RSOC is basically a side-show to the Black country performance car club now, we have a great group of lads/lasses who just enjoy getting together for some car geeking ..

RSOC will be a shadow of it's former self within 5 years

focus kev

rules are rules but its very sad to hear but then thats the rsoc for you.

Turboboy67

My thoughts exactly, Its been well know for years that if your local group misses two consecutive years attending the LGM then they get excluded, Simple rule to understand if you ask me.

Shings

Rules are rules... why should they be an exception because they're darn sarf or are well established or any other reason.

If one of the 300 couldn't make it thats poor show on those 300....

Its not like the rules are not well known - I have nothing to do with the Central Group anymore as I am RS Less etc but even I know its a rule.

Lloyd

awesome opinion. like youe style.

Mr RS500

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Wil

What a total shit reply

Are you aware that the people who chose to remove the 2 groups ISNT the comittee ?

It is infact quite clearly told to ALL the members in the room that it ISNT committee decition to remove the groups it is the other paying members decition and the paying members that are in the room make that decition via a vote

the vote was clearly unanimouse to remove the groups

Its quite simple , all you need to do is have 1 yes 1 member from that group to attend once every 2 years but this so called well run club coulnbt be arse to send anyone

IMO the committee from them 2 groups are to blame as they are quite aware of what will happen and im sure if the asked at a group meeting they would have found a member willing to go on there behalf

SteveB

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Not just 1 group but 3 have gone this year.....


Rules are rules and we all know them.... What would be the point if the rule wasn't there how many people would actually turn up???? I think there were members of 39 groups there this year as far as Cornwall and Scotland and imo if they can make it ANYONE can make it.


Steve

Mr RS500

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What a shock you agreed

rog

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Sorry but I happen to agree with Will, as a former RSOC member I found the club just wasn't for me. Granted it may not be as straight forward as it seems, but his points are still valid IMO.

SteveB

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The guy that came with me was very surprised with all the rules etc that we as a local group have to abide by.... opened his eyes up to the world of the RSOC.
Like you say this isn't for everyone but for 3999 members it is.


Steve

Mr RS500

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Eveything we do in life means we have to abide by rules

the way we drive

the way we talk

the way we even get rid of our rubbish

without rules imagine what a world we would live in

I know its a car club but we still need rules , without them we would just have them that will do as they please and not give a shit about others
is that how a club should be run ?

Even this website we are posting on has rules , if we dont like them we dont use the site , simple

Martin-Hadland

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Isn't that France? Pub landlord?

Chip

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France, according to Al Murray.

*Edit: Doh - beaten to it

Mr RS500

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Dont know , I have never been to France

charlie luciano

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I know that the RSOC is not thought of in high regard on this site but let me tell you all something, I've done things with other so called car clubs, tried my hardest to make those clubs a success and it was like trying to piss in a gale force wind and not get it on ya leg, hardly clubs at all tbh full of people who bitch and moan and don't want to do anything that's not on their own doorstep, I was doing everything on my own and in the end it wore me down,

I saw in the background that the Middx RSOC was falling down a slippery slope and I thought to myself let me put my efforts into this club, along with other members who are passionate about the club we've turned it around over the past year, I've always been a RSOC member and used to do everything with the Middx crew, Middx RSOC at one time was massive I don't think we will ever get it back up to that magnitude but fuck are we gonna try

I know the RSOC is not as big and does not have as many members as say 5-10 years ago but say what you want its still the biggest Ford RS car marque club in the country and in certain international areas too


Luciano

The Youth.

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surely with 300 members someone from kent could have turned up!!

isn't the national day organiser a member of the kent group and was presumably there??

saying that we couldn't get anyone from our club to turn up, it allways the same faces from our group that make the effort and they (inc me!) couldn't go so if we do the same next year were out aswell!!

steve

DanW@FastFord

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While I can see that sending one person every 2 years should be well within the ability of any club - I can't help thinking that a rule that excludes the club for a year, at a time when club memberships are declining, is dangerously self-destructive.

If their exclusion prevents them from attending RSOC shows, is not the negative impact on the RSOC as a whole, greater than the impact on the local group?

Would it not be better to have a less self-destructive punishment?

I've no suggestions as to what that should be but from an outsider's point of view this whole thing seems like it's a classic case of 'cutting your nose off to spite your face'.

While I totally appreciate that rules are rules, sometimes rules have to be amended to reflect the changing times.

SteveB

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There was a rule years ago that you were limited to only 6 cars at National Day (back in the days when the limit was 12 cars).


Steve

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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Perfect reply

Rs Gary

why punish the 300 members who knew nothing about this rule or even knew when or where the lgm is,if the committee knows of this rule and does not ask any member to go instead of them why should the whole group be banned why not tell the group do get rid of the committee get new blood in and start again,this way you do not alienate the whole group just the few who fucked up,
cheeRS gary
AKA shrek

dojj

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You should join a club because you like what they have to offer and everyone pulls their weight and is enthusiastic about doing stuff. As soon as you get to the stage where it's run as a business then I think that people only see the money and that, although may not blind them, certainly blinkers their objectives as club personell.

Obviously you can't run it without money, but if you ask me, I was in a position where the numbers were falling, costs were going up, no one wanted to change thr way things were going and everyone stuck their heads in th sand and pretended it didn't matter. And then the new management took over and did exactly what I'd wanted to do

Not that I'm implying this is the case with jimmy running the middx rsoc because we all know he's put in a lot of hard work and is always promoting things, perhaps if thr main rsoc did likewise they wouldn't have so many issues, something as simple as emailing all their members to remind them every few months as to the need for omeone to be at the agm and that way people could have no one to blame but themselves could have averted this, and don't forget that rather than being the villians in this as seems to be the case, they could have been quite rightly praised for doing the right thing (nit that I dint k ow this wasn't the case, just looking at it from and outsiders point of view)

SteveB

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The date etc is printed in Rallye News that EVERY RSOC member receives...


Steve

Chip

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Agreed, surely forcing the club to disband its committee and vote a new one in is the fairest bet rather than kicking the club out.
Not allowing any of that clubs members to operate a stand for the club on national day seems harsh just cause of a committee fuck up.
Although im sure most will be welcome on other club stands instead, like the middlesex group were, Surrey RS for example im sure would welcome Kent members in the short term.

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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Not all members are driven by politics and are there just for the cars.

Rs Gary

but does EVERY RSOC member know that if no one turns up they will be booted out i did not but then again i let my membership go as i found the rs2000-16v group more welcoming lol
cheeRS gary
AKA shrek

DanW@FastFord

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That makes a lot of sense. If the committee can't perform their roll effectively, then geting a new one in would seem to be the best, least damaging solution.

This may already have been discussed, and as Paul pointed out it was other RSOC members who voted on this issue.

Chip

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As far as I am aware the only 2 options they could vote for were "in" or "out" and no other options are given such as a forced disband of the committee if they wish to stay in.

DanW@FastFord

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But a club of any size needs people to actual run and arrange events - therefore there needs to be some kind of structure, and that structure needs rules, and therefore to a certain degree, politics surely?

If everyone just turned up 'for the cars' then who would organise it, who would liase with the venues? Who would get involved with the massive amount of work required to run a show?

It does seem that in light of the shrinking size of the RSOC the politics need to be reviewed, but to have the 'it should be just about the cars' mentality is missing the point somewhat.

SteveB

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Well THAT is the job of the commitee of each group to let their members know. I certainly do and would have had 5 or 6 of us that would have gone but myself and 1 other went as each group is limited to a maximum of 2 reps.

As stated by Paul the main commitee DO NOT make this decision is is voted upon by ALL the groups that are there on the day. So if anyone is to blame its the 39 groups that were there on the day.


Steve

Chip

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Good news is with it being so harsh I think any club is only ever likely to get voted out once I am absolutely certain that its going to be a long time before my local group (middlesex) forget to send a representative along again, as its not just the committee that know what happens now, its the members too.

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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Dan,

I understand what you are saying but when I was a comittee member on my local group (show organiser) I had to chase and remind people all the time as they never listened to the meetings or read our newsletters.

SteveB

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Tbh that hasn't changed that much I email about 30 members and can guarantee that 20 or so need a nudge/reminder.

I had a similar problem in 2002 I took over as chairman in Sept and didn't go to the LGM in October because I didn't know about it, fortunatly due to this we didn't get banned etc (although back then it wasn't being enforced).

~nomad~

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Surely this is a great oppotunity for 300 people who are clearly into their cars to form a club of there own and fuck off the RSOC? I bet their membership fees will go further then, as it wont be lining as many pockets.