dont get into a fight with one of these peeps
16-11-2010, 09:10 AM
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Genuine question - are sikhs stilll exempt from wearing crash helmets on motor bikes?
(I believe this was the case years ago, and only thought of it as it was in a rerun of an only fools and horses episode i saw the other day!)
(I believe this was the case years ago, and only thought of it as it was in a rerun of an only fools and horses episode i saw the other day!)
16-11-2010, 09:16 AM
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And TBH I dont have a problem with that, they arent endangering anyone else in doing so.
Im all for making allowances for people trying to live out their favourite book based fantasy, wether that be wearing a startrek uniform or some outfit from the bible or whatever, but Im not for it when it involves dangerous items as part of the fancy dress.
16-11-2010, 09:23 AM
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16-11-2010, 10:11 AM
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You people see something that you can sensessionalise without realising that it's cerimonial and you can buy them where you aren't able to remove any bladed part of it from the sheath.
So that's the end of that then and no need to carry o. With this "oh look at them with their big knives in their pockets ready to stab my dear little jinny while he's in the playground, let's march on downing street and make a big fuss over it because I've been ignorant of any of the facts of the case fir the past 40 years"
So that's the end of that then and no need to carry o. With this "oh look at them with their big knives in their pockets ready to stab my dear little jinny while he's in the playground, let's march on downing street and make a big fuss over it because I've been ignorant of any of the facts of the case fir the past 40 years"
16-11-2010, 10:22 AM
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That the majority of them are welded or locked shut somehow?
Heard that before..
16-11-2010, 10:39 AM
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Originally started by Guru Nanak and 'officially' formed in 1699 by Guru Gobind.
With regards to the kirpan (sword) I agree that in some situations it may be risky, i.e. kids taking it/ or what ever. I never heard of a situation whereby a sikh has threatend someone with it.
16-11-2010, 10:42 AM
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With regards to the original topic: I don't have a problem with Sikh's wearing a ceremonial knife. I've met many Sikh's and I really do look up to their values and how they conduct themselves, and I as a (non practicing) Christian look up to them a great deal.
Knife/Gun crime is just another systemic issue related to, in my view, is the underlying cause; and that is bad parenting and a complete lack of responsibility and understanding when it comes to having and raising children. I'm talking here about the kind of people who have no idea where their children are on a daily or even weekly basis. Until the benefit culture has stopped, and the cycle of violence and abuse has ended, we will continue to have these kind of debates and the children of genuine parents will continue to get caught up in the knife crime/disrespectful youth culture.
The last time I checked Britan was ahead of the US and even South Africa and top of the violent crimes list with a violent crime rate of 2,034 crimes per 100,000 residents. Poorer countries such as Italy and the crippled Spain, who place for more importance on the family, we're not even in the top ten.
16-11-2010, 10:50 AM
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On a serious note... I think whoever is educated enough to actually cultivate a heritage like this dagger thing, is probably no danger to other people anyways...
I'd be much more scared by a drunken chav with a stella bottle than a sikh with a dagger!
I'd be much more scared by a drunken chav with a stella bottle than a sikh with a dagger!
16-11-2010, 10:54 AM
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311 years old and the newest recognised religion if you don't count star wars and tom cruise 
As for made by man, you could have a 30 pager here but the basics are that our 10th guru decided that we had "faith" and we would follow the right path when it was asked of us and laid down some very simple terms that we, for the most part, follow in our daily lives. Some will do the whole deal and yet not go into the preisthood while others dedicate their lives to it, just the same as every other religion I suppose would do, and the rest of us do our bit as well. We don't preach hate or violence against anyone else but it's all about being good to one anoher and if you live a good honest life then that is the best that you can hope to achive, but if the call comes, I think most Sikhs would heed the call, because that's what makes us who we are.
Obviously there are those who will fight more vigourosly for the cause than others who will be more vocal in their protests and you will have others who will try to bend the teachings for their own benifits, one of them being that the teaching that have been laid down in the guru Granth sahib ( our holy book and the last word) state that there will be no more gurus to follow, yet there are a few chancers out there who want to become the next guru so there is that too
But virtually all of the events that have led up to the cration and the history of the Sikh nation and the happenings in Punjab where we are are written down in history just like the history of Europe or America or china or whatever so it's all based on "reality" rather than being thousands of years of word of mouth
But I think the best thing about it is that it teaches tolerance to others and those who try to lead you from the correct path and into temptation.
As for made by man, you could have a 30 pager here
but the basics are that our 10th guru decided that we had "faith" and we would follow the right path when it was asked of us and laid down some very simple terms that we, for the most part, follow in our daily lives. Some will do the whole deal and yet not go into the preisthood while others dedicate their lives to it, just the same as every other religion I suppose would do, and the rest of us do our bit as well. We don't preach hate or violence against anyone else but it's all about being good to one anoher and if you live a good honest life then that is the best that you can hope to achive, but if the call comes, I think most Sikhs would heed the call, because that's what makes us who we are. Obviously there are those who will fight more vigourosly for the cause than others who will be more vocal in their protests and you will have others who will try to bend the teachings for their own benifits, one of them being that the teaching that have been laid down in the guru Granth sahib ( our holy book and the last word) state that there will be no more gurus to follow, yet there are a few chancers out there who want to become the next guru so there is that too
But virtually all of the events that have led up to the cration and the history of the Sikh nation and the happenings in Punjab where we are are written down in history just like the history of Europe or America or china or whatever so it's all based on "reality" rather than being thousands of years of word of mouth
But I think the best thing about it is that it teaches tolerance to others and those who try to lead you from the correct path and into temptation.
16-11-2010, 11:43 AM
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At my kids school they handed out leaflets explaining this knife at school situation
a. kids ones are blunt as spoons or locked
b. teachers are allowed to lock them away during PE (good old tear of slip at the bottom)
c. they are hidden and distinct religous items unlike other social items
a. kids ones are blunt as spoons or locked
b. teachers are allowed to lock them away during PE (good old tear of slip at the bottom)
c. they are hidden and distinct religous items unlike other social items
16-11-2010, 12:47 PM
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At my kids school they handed out leaflets explaining this knife at school situation
a. kids ones are blunt as spoons or locked
b. teachers are allowed to lock them away during PE (good old tear of slip at the bottom)
c. they are hidden and distinct religous items unlike other social items
a. kids ones are blunt as spoons or locked
b. teachers are allowed to lock them away during PE (good old tear of slip at the bottom)
c. they are hidden and distinct religous items unlike other social items
16-11-2010, 01:19 PM
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Sikhs who wear the kirpan believe in a saint soldier concept. Even though they are soldier like, they are like saintly.
Sikh are for human rights that why so many including both my grandfathers fought in the world wars. Also why so many settled here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mobile/iplayer/episode/b00vys5t
Sikh are the reason why the whole of India wasn't forced converted to Islam!
Also Sikhs are the only sucessful people to conquer afghanastan.
Sikh religion is the most modern religion out of the big 6.
Sikh are for human rights that why so many including both my grandfathers fought in the world wars. Also why so many settled here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mobile/iplayer/episode/b00vys5t
Sikh are the reason why the whole of India wasn't forced converted to Islam!
Also Sikhs are the only sucessful people to conquer afghanastan.
Sikh religion is the most modern religion out of the big 6.
16-11-2010, 01:27 PM
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just need to remind them that mr patel from the pharmacy who gave you your prescription,,,,,, was also wearing one too AND that doctor who saved your sons life,,,,,,,,,, terrible race of people them suicde turban bombers
16-11-2010, 02:18 PM
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I just read the whole wikipedia article on sikhism and have to say fair play to that. Out of all the religions they make by far the most sense to me! Given the fact that most of their guidelines are hundreds of years old they must have been well ahead of their time!
16-11-2010, 03:21 PM
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personally im more in favour of jehovas whitness as they are the only religion who seem to be able to explain the history of the bible and treating others equal rather than having a war with each other in the name of god
16-11-2010, 03:36 PM
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thats cause muslim religion has never changed to suit the times,,, but then should it if it is all true
ill admit im of the reality of science and im not quite sure we all came from tadpoles over time,,,,,, i aint quite a fickle as to belive some bloke called god allows his children to kill each other considering he made us,,,,,, he must be able to control us
i recon there is a missing link between egyptians and all of this,,, they was well ahead of us yet we seem to forgot what happened
ill admit im of the reality of science and im not quite sure we all came from tadpoles over time,,,,,, i aint quite a fickle as to belive some bloke called god allows his children to kill each other considering he made us,,,,,, he must be able to control us
i recon there is a missing link between egyptians and all of this,,, they was well ahead of us yet we seem to forgot what happened
16-11-2010, 04:06 PM
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really,,,,,,, does that mean hes gonna blow us up with his rucksack then pmsl
notice the hindu have managed to avoid the racial hate at the moment
im guess they wear the looser turbans and not the tighter ones if that makes sence ( im sure you get what i mean,,,,, most members on this forum will prob think its a bandage that needs pulling tight
notice the hindu have managed to avoid the racial hate at the moment
im guess they wear the looser turbans and not the tighter ones if that makes sence ( im sure you get what i mean,,,,, most members on this forum will prob think its a bandage that needs pulling tight
16-11-2010, 04:28 PM
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but then again,,, if the police wanna ban something they get the news to report about how many deaths are caused and so the public call for it to be delt with
who remember the "meiow meiow" reports,,,,, all the deaths from it and it was banned,,,,,, THEN MONTHS LATER,,,, turns out it was wrong and only ever caused one death by a person who injected it !!!!....... though its still banned though !
16-11-2010, 06:37 PM
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really,,,,,,, does that mean hes gonna blow us up with his rucksack then pmsl
notice the hindu have managed to avoid the racial hate at the moment
im guess they wear the looser turbans and not the tighter ones if that makes sence ( im sure you get what i mean,,,,, most members on this forum will prob think its a bandage that needs pulling tight
notice the hindu have managed to avoid the racial hate at the moment
im guess they wear the looser turbans and not the tighter ones if that makes sence ( im sure you get what i mean,,,,, most members on this forum will prob think its a bandage that needs pulling tight
traditional punjabi smart turban
this is the normal day to day turban
this is a fighting sikh army turban http://www.flickr.com/photos/30917112@N06/3368562318/ there is a little write up below the pic to help you steer clear of this lot, proper militants and what sikhs were like back in the day when fighting was what it was all about
compare that to the sort of turban muslims wear
and you can tell the difference immediatlythere are also kenyian turbans as well which have a more pronounced point to them and are starched to give them more of a flatter shape
there are also rajistani turbans, the rolled up style turbans, royal turbans, loads in fact but only those shown above are sikh turbans and the one you will realistically see out and about
16-11-2010, 06:40 PM
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thats cause muslim religion has never changed to suit the times,,, but then should it if it is all true
ill admit im of the reality of science and im not quite sure we all came from tadpoles over time,,,,,, i aint quite a fickle as to belive some bloke called god allows his children to kill each other considering he made us,,,,,, he must be able to control us
i recon there is a missing link between egyptians and all of this,,, they was well ahead of us yet we seem to forgot what happened
ill admit im of the reality of science and im not quite sure we all came from tadpoles over time,,,,,, i aint quite a fickle as to belive some bloke called god allows his children to kill each other considering he made us,,,,,, he must be able to control us
i recon there is a missing link between egyptians and all of this,,, they was well ahead of us yet we seem to forgot what happened
16-11-2010, 07:10 PM
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Personally I wouldn't care how respectable Sikh's are, how responsible they are, nothing. I cannot believe this is even a discussion, it should be as Chip says, close the book, move on.
But of course this is England we're talking about, and we are too scared of upsetting every other country and religion in the world.
16-11-2010, 07:50 PM
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Interesting read!
My own opinion is basically ALL religions are bollocks! If they want a knife to signify whatever it is then why can't it be a little trinket attached to a chain around their neck?
Whilst Sikhs are generally better than most of the minorities, of all the light brown people, Gurkhas are still the best!!
My own opinion is basically ALL religions are bollocks! If they want a knife to signify whatever it is then why can't it be a little trinket attached to a chain around their neck?
Whilst Sikhs are generally better than most of the minorities, of all the light brown people, Gurkhas are still the best!!
16-11-2010, 07:52 PM
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Hundreds of churches in India. Indians respect other religions and people are free to worship who they like. It's the lack of understanding and general ignorance here that makes people afraid of other religions. There no harm in any place in worship.
16-11-2010, 07:56 PM
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Your very wrong there son.
Hundreds of churches in India. Indians respect other religions and people are free to worship who they like. It's the lack of understanding and general ignorance here that makes people afraid of other religions. There no harm in any place in worship.
Hundreds of churches in India. Indians respect other religions and people are free to worship who they like. It's the lack of understanding and general ignorance here that makes people afraid of other religions. There no harm in any place in worship.
16-11-2010, 07:57 PM
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Yaaaawwn.
Hate religion with a Passion... even more so when those that are born here go over to training camps to learn how to.blow up innocent people....
As far as I'm concerned... religion is a load of bollocks. So those that are writing essays about the history. Go do your preaching elsewhere. It's not welcome here.
Hate religion with a Passion... even more so when those that are born here go over to training camps to learn how to.blow up innocent people....
As far as I'm concerned... religion is a load of bollocks. So those that are writing essays about the history. Go do your preaching elsewhere. It's not welcome here.