zetec-Sam

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Don't like it, don't come on here?
Why do you also feel the need to put that you served in almost every topic you post in?

rapid3door

well said i reckon any1 that wants to strap a bomb to them selfs and kill loads of inecent people and blame some cunt called allah that some cunt made up years ago should not be in our country im not raceist i got 4 black rottwielers

Chip

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Good job the romans didnt too, we'd still be in the dark ages

Chip

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Anyone who wants to blow themselves up wont be here for long anyway

mrjenrst

you talk some fucking shite you do!

rapid3door

lol yeah good point but still no need 2 take inicent people with em

marky_g

to me that's terrorism and they could have arrested them on them grounds

Psycho Warren

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you clearly havent actually read any of my posts

where have i said in this thread "thick working class" people are racist?? where have i said that integration works?? I havent. Just because you read only part of whats written then misinterpret it isnt my fault

although i will agree on this, generally racist people are pretty thick.....
and more specifically he claims to be a former member of 22 reg SAS. Now if that was true he certainly would know not to admit it on here so i suggest hes a billy bullshitter/walter mitty/walt.
not as much as you.

although its a fact that the government promote integration and have done so for at least the last 2 decades....
its a fact that bradford is a relatively poor working class area....

so how it is shite i dont know

nichol4s

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This thread is starting to get boring now we've all (well most) established that them waste of rations sorry English Muslims were bang out of order but won't fuck off to Pakistan or were ever the fuck they think the 40 virgins are waiting because the system pays to well! There spineless cunts covering there faces up and ruining this country but to be honest what's gonna change? I'm not bothered for me because I know were I am with them!! It's my kids I'm bothered about because they've gotta go to school were they try to force religious education on them (which they won't be attending) whereas Muslim children don't learn about jesus or god they do job seekers and giro!

Never mind Fordsr4chavs statement I was in Iraq in 05 and it's shit, bags of human waste thrown shot at RPGs motors ect "yeah isn't Islam so peacefull" I lost a mate out there who was only leading a convoy for a property developer yes to try and sort some accommodation out for the villagers in Basra!

Dangerous Malcolm..

Warren, this is what you said:

You're saying that the working class are less well educated and thus have less well balanced attitudes... In other words the working class, on the whole, are thick. You shoulda been a politician mate, you're obviously better educated and informed to make decisions on our behalf!!

Oh no wait, these so called well educated and better informed middle and upper class intellects have completely FUCKED UP our country already.

mrjenrst

warren talks shit mate, read half his post's.
His ideas would make helium fucking sink!

zetec-Sam

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That's what I was thinking. I'm no expert but have always had an interest in the military etc. and always thought ex sas wouldn't go blurting out their past (except those that use it to sell books )
But, everyone on the internet is rich, super intelligent, always right, and in the SAS.

Alan_D

Probably a load of pish. I know of a guy who was in the special forces, and the last thing he would ever want to do is broadcast the fact to everyone.

Focus19

i say set all the fuckers on fire and get the bloke with a hook shot in the head

i will do it for nothing

Psycho Warren

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Id never get voted in as people vote for their own selfish reasons rather than for the greater good of the country as a whole. Plus im not that much of a shyster to be a lying scum bag politician, which is exactly how youd have to be to get ahead in politics these days.

so again youve made assumptions mal. So because ive stated about how the working class are generally less well educated than the middle and upper class (and thats a indisputable fact BTW), youve interpreted that to mean thick???

if you choose to interpret the phrase "less educated" to mean "thicker" then so be it.

Quite how you can argue with simple demographics in this country is beyond me really...

its not rocket science to find out that the major readers of tabloids are the working class, just as the broadsheets major readers are middle and upper class. Its well known about media bias in the newspapers especially the tabloids which are renouned for only telling one side of the story to promote its own agenda. Not saying the broadsheets arent biased, of course they are, but generally the info contained is more complete and their target audience wouldnt tolerate complete shit being in the paper.

its also well known the impact of the media, upbringing, education and experiences on opinion forming of people.

so on balance of probabilities some poor lad in a shit estate with ethnic/religious divisions and the problems that causes, combined with a poor education and limited exposure to the media (not as bad as it used to be with internet etc nowadays) is far more likely to end up being racist/xenophobic/bigotted than someone who lives in a nice area, has had a good upbringing, good balanced education etc. Thats just the way it is. Doesnt make it right though or fair.

and in terms of who fucked the country up, we are ALL to blame, rich or poor. its not the middle class and upper class whove taken silly amounts of unaffordable debt to live a lifestyle beyond their means.... benefit scroungers - need say no more on them, CHAVS - same. so we are ALL collectively to blame for the shithole we now live in. anyone who thinks otherwise is quite frankly deluded.

those who use books etc mostly publish under a false name and all there work is vetted by MoD to ensure no secrets are leaked!

KSA-Cossie

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On a seperate note,was in a mcd's in newcastle this morning at 11 and even though they told everyone they were having 2 mins silence a group of old cunts (in their 70's) were talking and laughing all the way through.

Dangerous Malcolm..

I don't see how an education per se means you can't have an informed opinion on something! Personally I like FACTS, not hearsay!


So by your own admission then it's the working class that live amongst the minorities rather than the middle/upper classes. Surely this means they would have a better informed opinion of the people on their own doorstep compared to some Guardian reading fellow who's only experience of 'Asian' culture is his local curry house...[/quote]

Psycho Warren

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mal so when you do your own research to make an informed opinion on matters you know little about, thats called educating yourself is it not?

You clearly have the time to do such things and care, many do not. And if you dont take the time then what are you basing your opinions on? all the things i mentioned!

no, all of us live amongst minorities.

the difference is those in the middle and upper class have the ability to choose where they live and who with and also with crime and antisocial behaviour being linked primarily to poverty, are simply less exposed to the negative aspects of immigration, religious extremism etc etc etc.

someone living in a shit hole estate is unlikely to have that luxury to choose and more likely to be exposed to the negative side of things due to the nature of poverty and being less well off.

but you can apply the same principle to many of societies problems.

eg benefit scrounges - despite being so well off compared to many, they arent well off enough to be living in the same community as rich folk in most cases so rich folk arent exposed to it except through the media. where as if you live in a shit hole there is a good chance you are aware of so and so living up the street on benefits, so and so pushing the pram for their 3rd child by different fathers etc etc.

its a simple reality that those most well off can to an extent avoid many of the social negatives and problems found in many working class areas.

and that doesnt mean rich people dont live with minorities, just not the troublesome mostly poor ones

like most cultural sects/divisions, there will be some who are rich, middle class, some poor and some criminals.

In my opinion the problems caused by minorities are no worse than those caused by home grown white british benefit scrounges, CHAVs, criminals etc.

STAFFY OWNER

Exactly, they only seem to wait until someone the media approaches them until they denounce what their fellow muslims have done. Take the mosque that had the poppy painted on it's wall for example. One of the leaders said that they didn't condone what the poppy burners had done which is fair enough but would he have said it anyway if the media weren't interviewing him? There must be hundreds of mosques around the country but how many have made a statement stating that they wish to dis-associate themselves from the poppy burning minority?
What a pompous fucking comment. At least us "working class" people live in the real world and see what's going on around us. Look at the nations politicians, many of them have been educated in the countries top Universities and look how ignorant some of them are to the countries needs.
I think you mean condemn mate.
Exactly. The best person for the job should get it not the person with the right colour skin or correct number of limbs.
Agree with you on this also - were we separated at birth?
Lol, best qualification for not being a racist i've ever heard.
The trouble with this is that they could take your, or my, family or friends with them. Why do these sorts of extremists think that killing or maiming innocent people is going to win them support? Surely a fact based, convincing argument is going to gain you more followers.
You can't doubt Warren you pleb, he's an educated man don't you know.

Drunken Master

Don't consider myself racist, but basically alot of people in the UK have relatives that have been a part of the second world war. And when someone from another country comes to live here and behaves in such a way in public should get enlisted!

massivewangers

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I do like the topic though. I think it's an important debate given the current world climate.

I was merely making an observation that this topic seems to instantly bring out the huge racist/anti-Muslim undercurrent that is ready to burst out into the mainstream in this country. And to be honest, I find it pretty disgusting, that in a supposedly tolerant and diverse society, that we still have so many people that are too retarded to see that this is a small minority of people, that are just using some twisted interpretation of Islam to justify their cause.

As a citizen of this country, on a public forum, I am fully entitled to comment on the discussion. I have no doubt that some people will think I'm a cunt, or use numerous swear words to tell me how wrong I am, but that's fine by me, you go right ahead and prove my point

mrjenrst

It is just a small amount of people doing it but they all seem to be muslim. I think the argument is if a right wing faction in the uk did it here under the name of christianity the christians would denounce them and say there nothing to do with them! But you dont get that with muslims do you.

Psycho Warren

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how is it pompous?? ford is NOT a premium brand car company. Its your average car company making cars for your average person, ie working class. Thats who most of the range of cars are aimed at. even the top end cars are not that expensive and well within the reach of the working class. Sure there are the odd exceptions like GT and race cars but as a brand its just not comparable to premium brands like ferrari, lambo, porsche etc. Its not even in the same league as merc, BMW and audi.

and yes you see whats going on around you in YOUR small part of the world. the real world is far bigger. very few people see the big picture, just see world from their own perspective.

I doubt most politicians are ignorant to what goes on. they are perfectly aware as they are briefed on such matters. Choosing to do something about it, or giving a shit are different things though. Do you really think most politicians genuinely have the countries best interests at heart?? or are they like most modern people who look out for themselves. What do most politicians want? more votes/another term in office and within bounds they will do anything to get it. So in that sense they are just as bad as the rest of us although as the leaders of our country, in an ideal world, they should hold some moral highground and act in the best interests of the country even if its at the expense of their careers.

STAFFY OWNER

Ok the part that i thought was pompous was your comments on education. It may surprise you to know that people from working class families can go on to get excellent qualifications and make something of their lives. My family is working class and i have a sister who was Head of English at the school that she taught in (she left a year ago to have a baby), my other sister is an accountant, my cousin is a chartered accountant and his sister has had a number of responsible positions one of them being a researcher to a top politician. I didn't go to uni but did get an ONC and a HNC in an engineering qualification which i know is not the highest level of education but it gets me by. Also if you think that these so called well educated upper classes have a well balanced attitude then you obviously haven't met many. Yes they may have qualifications coming out of their backsides but they have very little common sense or social grounding at all.