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whats a good aftermarket managment to use for a cosworth powered mk4 escort,would i need to get an ecu specific for the engine or can the ecu be sorted for the engine when it comes to getting setup,ive spotted an AEM ecu on ebay and was wondering whether they are any good or would i be better considering maybe autronic or omex or is ther any others that are worth considering,the engine in my car when its done will hopefully be about 370bhp so not massive power but thought that while im still building the car i might aswell look at aftermarket management to maybe make it easier at a later date to up the power more
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at that power level a standard weber l6 or l8 is fine and prob cheapest option,
pretty much any aftermarket ecu can be used easy enough, base maps are easy enough to download for most aftermarket stuff
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Have 'VIPEC' management on my car Paul good kit


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Originally Posted by jonesymk2
whats a good aftermarket managment to use for a cosworth powered mk4 escort,would i need to get an ecu specific for the engine or can the ecu be sorted for the engine when it comes to getting setup,ive spotted an AEM ecu on ebay and was wondering whether they are any good or would i be better considering maybe autronic or omex or is ther any others that are worth considering,the engine in my car when its done will hopefully be about 370bhp so not massive power but thought that while im still building the car i might aswell look at aftermarket management to maybe make it easier at a later date to up the power more

Speak to your tuner/mapper on his recomedation.

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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Speak to your tuner/mapper on his recomedation.
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Mark he's a DIY (damage it yourself) man he does his own builds mate


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havnt got a tuner at the moment will sort that out when it comes to getting the car running and setup
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Originally Posted by charlie luciano
Have 'VIPEC' management on my car Paul good kit


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will have a look into that aswell cheers mate,hope your well and the littleun is doing ok mate
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Anyone who says one ecu produces more power than another clearly doesnt remember touring car cossies producing 500 bhp on an ecu that was marginally more powerfull than a digital watch..LOL


Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Speak to your tuner/mapper on his recomedation.

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The best advice here. !
Old 21-10-2010, 07:38 PM
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i know the saff ecu loom is seperate from the main loom so you could use that with a standard ecu
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Originally Posted by jonesymk2
will have a look into that aswell cheers mate,hope your well and the littleun is doing ok mate
Nice 1 mate all good with me and family hope you're the same

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Anyone who says one ecu produces more power than another clearly doesnt remember touring car cossies producing 500 bhp on an ecu that was marginally more powerfull than a digital watch..LOL





The best advice here. !
i didnt mean it as for more power just meant for flexability for upgrading parts and tuning for more pwer at a later date,as i said in one reply i dont have a tuner at the moment as im still in the midle of building the car
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Originally Posted by charlie luciano
Nice 1 mate all good with me and family hope you're the same

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good good mate glad to hear all is well,im all good thanks and working again now so finally trying to get on with the black estate,i will try to pop down to one of your meets sometime if your still doing them
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If you want an AEM universal i've got one for sale:

https://passionford.com/forum/non-fo...ew-1250-a.html

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Originally Posted by jonesymk2
good good mate glad to hear all is well,im all good thanks and working again now so finally trying to get on with the black estate,i will try to pop down to one of your meets sometime if your still doing them
Sweet bruv still doing the meets, taken over the helm at Middx RSOC pop down be good to see ya


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megasquirt, mtech, haltec, dta, omex, motec, autronic, etc etc

do a search and look at the prices and cross reference what features each one does for the money, then come back on and state which one you have narrowed it down too. Some people will recomned different ones, for example hardcore enthusiasts with a deep wallet swear by autronic, motec etc but these are pretty expensive ecu's. I recommend mtech or megasquirt simply because it was within my price budget and offered all the features I needed which just happened to be a lot more than any other ecu for the price. It also has a very user frinedly interface to the software which I have yet to show to a mapper and them refuse to map it.

Have a good think at the possible features you would need then this will give you a good starting point for you ecu search.

Good luck and may the force be with you,,,,,,,,,always
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i spotted this ecu on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AEM-Programmab...item1c1669bb93
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Originally Posted by charlie luciano
Sweet bruv still doing the meets, taken over the helm at Middx RSOC pop down be good to see ya


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yes mate definately will get down might even be next month,ive still got your mobile number so will give you a call unless youve changed it atall
Old 21-10-2010, 07:57 PM
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does anyone no what you have to do/how to run a mk1 focus with aftermarket ecu and loom as im doing a zetec turbo conversion and this is the only bit i am un sure of
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I've got an omex 600 ecu for sale if that helps......BUT the best advice bar none is to decide first who you're going to use to map the car, as plenty of tuners will only map specific ecu's
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Originally Posted by left hooker
i know the saff ecu loom is seperate from the main loom so you could use that with a standard ecu
yes there's only live, earth and fuel pump output needed as a minimum to apply to the engine loom/ecu to get working, but you'd be stuck with the std cossie 4 lug pick up configuration.
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Originally Posted by craig20focus
does anyone no what you have to do/how to run a mk1 focus with aftermarket ecu and loom as im doing a zetec turbo conversion and this is the only bit i am un sure of
There's enough sensors on the zetec to be run by most aftermarket ecu's, just ditch the MAF in favour of a map sensor, consider where you will get it mapped, this will help you decide better what one to use.
I use and recommend emerald, www.emeraldm3d.com the K6, I use the previous version K3, but any ecu correctly mapped will be light years ahead in all respects than your average off the shelf chip/set up.
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to be honest youre probably better off just getting a cossie ECU n saving yourself some money!
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what about gotech?

herd good things about omex 600

as its been said before depends who's setting it up
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Keep your eyes open mate in the next week or so as we are using a link ecu that is very fast and nice to use has shit loads of functions and is awesome value for money..
We can supply fit and map the ecu and a custom loom for your car from Ł1250 all in


cheers danny
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https://passionford.com/forum/ford-r...r-sensors.html

I'm looking to fit omex 600 to my e36 cosworth and i'm also in luton.
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Originally Posted by Danny @ Enhanced Performance
Keep your eyes open mate in the next week or so as we are using a link ecu that is very fast and nice to use has shit loads of functions and is awesome value for money..
We can supply fit and map the ecu and a custom loom for your car from Ł1250 all in


cheers danny
now that is a good deal!
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Originally Posted by Autoflock Motorsport
megasquirt, mtech, haltec, dta, omex, motec, autronic, etc etc

do a search and look at the prices and cross reference what features each one does for the money, then come back on and state which one you have narrowed it down too. Some people will recomned different ones, for example hardcore enthusiasts with a deep wallet swear by autronic, motec etc but these are pretty expensive ecu's. I recommend mtech or megasquirt simply because it was within my price budget and offered all the features I needed which just happened to be a lot more than any other ecu for the price. It also has a very user frinedly interface to the software which I have yet to show to a mapper and them refuse to map it.

Have a good think at the possible features you would need then this will give you a good starting point for you ecu search.

Good luck and may the force be with you,,,,,,,,,always
My mapper has and can map over 25 different ECU's and said he refuses to map Megasquirt.
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Originally Posted by Rcjm88
My mapper has and can map over 25 different ECU's and said he refuses to map Megasquirt.
LOL!!!
We will if we have too but i see his point!!


cheers danny
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Originally Posted by Danny @ Enhanced Performance
LOL!!!
We will if we have too but i see his point!!


cheers danny
Is that a LOL at me? Or the statement?
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Originally Posted by Danny @ Enhanced Performance
Keep your eyes open mate in the next week or so as we are using a link ecu that is very fast and nice to use has shit loads of functions and is awesome value for money..
We can supply fit and map the ecu and a custom loom for your car from Ł1250 all in


cheers danny
I know someone locally who does a fair bit with Link ecu's, he swears by them and considers everything else to be inferior.

I'd be interested to hear a unbiased opinion on it as people I have spoken to in the past haven't had much good to say about it.

Which model Link is it ?
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Originally Posted by Rcjm88
Is that a LOL at me? Or the statement?
At the staement mate because i agree!!
Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
I know someone locally who does a fair bit with Link ecu's, he swears by them and considers everything else to be inferior.

I'd be interested to hear a unbiased opinion on it as people I have spoken to in the past haven't had much good to say about it.

Which model Link is it ?
We are unbiased as we will use whatever ecu you want and map on whatever you want but we want an ecu that we can reccomend and use more and more and now weve used the atom and the storm we are really impressed with them!!
They are fast and capable and we like them so will be doing many a person a good package deal on these...


cheers danny
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Originally Posted by Danny @ Enhanced Performance
Keep your eyes open mate in the next week or so as we are using a link ecu that is very fast and nice to use has shit loads of functions and is awesome value for money..
We can supply fit and map the ecu and a custom loom for your car from Ł1250 all in


cheers danny
very good ecu dan have a g4 on the binliner !!! oh if you dont know the vipec is just a re badged link as ray hall took over development and re-badged them to sell through himself
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Originally Posted by Jay_
very good ecu dan have a g4 on the binliner !!! oh if you dont know the vipec is just a re badged link as ray hall took over development and re-badged them to sell through himself
Nice one!!didnt know that,i heard it was dave somone from motech that has something to do with it??
All i do know is i really think we can make it a widely used bit of kit as its good and we will use it more and more and at the moment we can offer great deals on it as a package..


cheers danny
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How much is the Vipec ? loads of money I thought ?
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Originally Posted by Danny @ Enhanced Performance
Nice one!!didnt know that,i heard it was dave somone from motech that has something to do with it??
All i do know is i really think we can make it a widely used bit of kit as its good and we will use it more and more and at the moment we can offer great deals on it as a package..


cheers danny
yeh you can re flash it with vipec firmware visa versa but there is no difference speak to Charlie its a brilliant ecu everything is easy to use all the functions work and great back up if needed cant say more really
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Originally Posted by JonnyBravo
How much is the Vipec ? loads of money I thought ?
link is cheaper for some reason but like i say the same ecu
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Originally Posted by Rcjm88
My mapper has and can map over 25 different ECU's and said he refuses to map Megasquirt.
Probably because its not in his best intrests financialy to promote a diy solution that most people can tune themselves, that only costs a couple hundred pounds. A tuner would much rather sell "X" ecu that costs "X" amount, because of the profit margins involved. Obiously it comes down to money because these guys have to make a living, its not the functionality of the ecu, because it does everything most other ecus do, and its not the back up or reliabilty as all the software and help for these ecus is available online for free. Also its not the actual ability to map the ecu as MS is very simple to map and tune. Something else putting tuners off MS may be the fact it has been built or installed badly, and spending time on fixing these problems is not worthwhile, it would be far easier to fit A pre built ecu supplied with warranty from the manufacturer. So to sum up, MS is ideal for the diy enthuisiast, who has the time and knowledge for it, but not soo ideal for a tuner who wants a hassle free plug and play option. Hope this helps.
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Originally Posted by chaffe
Probably because its not in his best intrests financialy to promote a diy solution that most people can tune themselves, that only costs a couple hundred pounds. A tuner would much rather sell "X" ecu that costs "X" amount, because of the profit margins involved. Obiously it comes down to money because these guys have to make a living, its not the functionality of the ecu, because it does everything most other ecus do, and its not the back up or reliabilty as all the software and help for these ecus is available online for free. Also its not the actual ability to map the ecu as MS is very simple to map and tune. Something else putting tuners off MS may be the fact it has been built or installed badly, and spending time on fixing these problems is not worthwhile, it would be far easier to fit A pre built ecu supplied with warranty from the manufacturer. So to sum up, MS is ideal for the diy enthuisiast, who has the time and knowledge for it, but not soo ideal for a tuner who wants a hassle free plug and play option. Hope this helps.
actually youll find with most that its more a case of them not trusting the reliability of the home built MS models, and wouldnt risk being associated with it should the egeine fail and the map be blamed!
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Originally Posted by Jay_
very good ecu dan have a g4 on the binliner !!! oh if you dont know the vipec is just a re badged link as ray hall took over development and re-badged them to sell through himself
Jay not quite correct, Vipec has diff firmware/software/fuel mapping table and you cant just reflash the ecu to change it,if you try this you have to send it back to be sorted,
The Vipec standalone has diff injector drivers and 4 bar map sensor and it comes with the loom and sensors unlike the Link where you add these to the cost,
Other than being made in the same factory they are not the same unit,
The pnp versions also have a 7 bar mapsensor ungrade on the board but they run the same drivers,
The cost is also very close the Evo 9 unit is the same price and there are other changes coming to seperate them more but I cant tell you about them.
The exchange rate effects the cost of both Ecu's but as the Aussie dollar is realy bad at the moment keeping the cost close is diff.

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Originally Posted by Jim Galbally
actually youll find with most that its more a case of them not trusting the reliability of the home built MS models, and wouldnt risk being associated with it should the egeine fail and the map be blamed!
is that not one of the reasons in my explanation? tuners would rather use pre built ecus than spend time with homemade ones.


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