What psi to run r888's at??
20-10-2010, 09:08 AM
#3
I tend to run mine at 25 degrees when hot, but that still takes the centre of the tread out slightly more than both edges so is possibly a little high, but thats how it feels best on my car.
25 when hot is a different amount when cold on different wheels on my car for different tracks.
For example at combe I need around 17psi in the passenger front to end up at 25psi and around 23psi in the drivers side rear to end up at 25psi.
25 when hot is a different amount when cold on different wheels on my car for different tracks.
For example at combe I need around 17psi in the passenger front to end up at 25psi and around 23psi in the drivers side rear to end up at 25psi.
Last edited by Chip; 20-10-2010 at 09:09 AM.
20-10-2010, 09:11 AM
#4
Are you fucking mad.... you wll roll them off the rim!!
At least 65psi
I ran mine last at 10psi and my time was better than previous.. however cant say it was the reason for this though.
The sidewalls are pretty stiff on these though.
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20-10-2010, 09:26 AM
#8
PassionFord Post Whore!!
Found this...
Toyo 888 Tyre Pressures
Extracted from the following thread:
http://forums.seloc.org/viewthread.php?tid=222602
My name is Alan Meaker, I am the Motorsport Manager for Toyo Tyres (UK) Ltd.
I was at Rockingham on the Saturday 1ST March at the LOT trackday and worked with a couple of cars using our R888 tyre regarding pressures and tread temperatures.
What I would like to do is to offer some advice on tyre temperatures and pressures and how to achieve the best from our tyres when taking part in either trackdays or racing.
The R888 has a semi race construction (very stiff) and a race tread compound. The optimum tread temperature range is between 85C and 95C measured using a probe type pyrometer, and ideally a maximum difference across the tread of 9C. The maximum hot pressure we recommend is 40psi. Camber angles up to 5 degrees are permissible but the final setting will depend on tread temperatures. It is advisable to have as much positive castor as practical as castor induces a beneficial camber change during cornering. I recommend that the tyres be put through 2 heat cycles before hard use.
The pressures you use will initially depend on the weight of the car, too little pressure on a heavy car can lead to over deflection of the tyre and subsequent failure.
Below are some basic settings:
VEHICLE WEIGHT COLD PRESSURE HOT PRESSURE Very Light < 800kg 17 - 22 psi 22 - 29 psi Light 800kg - 1000kg 20 - 26 psi 24 - 32 psi Heavy 1000kg - 1400kg 23 - 27 psi 28 - 40 psi Very Heavy > 1400kg 27 - 35 psi 37 - 40 psi
As a tyre gets hotter the pressure increases, this is due to the moisture in the air. The cold pressure you set to achieve a desired hot pressure will depend on the conditions on the day i.e. ambient and track temperature, wet or dry. If the day/track is cold you will need to start with a higher cold pressure as the tyre will not get as hot therefore the pressure increase will not be so great. Hot pressures must be balanced side to side. Once the tyres have cooled you will find that you will have a difference in pressure side to side, if you have been racing on a right hand track you will find the offside pressures will usually be higher than the nearside.
Changing hot inflation pressures by small amounts can be used to fine tune handling.
Reduce Oversteer Reduce rear pressures or increase front pressures Increase Oversteer Increase rear pressures or reduce front pressures Reduce Understeer Reduce front pressures or increase rear pressures Increase Understeer Increase front pressures or reduce rear pressures
Achieving the required tread temperatures will depend again on the conditions on the day i.e. ambient and track temperature, wet or dry.
You often here competitors saying “My tyres started to go of towards the end of the race”, this is usually due to the tread getting to hot.
The tread temperatures are constantly changing through out a race, hotter when cornering and cooler when on the straights and cooling even more when you are slowing to come into the pits. Therefore the temps you record in the pits will be lower than those during the race. So if you record temperatures within the range given above the probability is the temps will be too high during the race.
Increasing your tyre pressures will cause your tread temperatures to increase, more pressure stiffens the tyre’s casing which results in the tread having to do more work resulting in the tread getting hotter. Lowering your pressures will cause them to decrease.
Inevitably changing one thing will affect other things, the whole set up of your car is a compromise between anything that is adjustable.
Some of you are also asking about different compounds. Originally we only had one compound ‘GG’ (medium hard), but we have now introduced some sizes in a ‘SG’ (soft/wet) compound. This was done primarily for sprint/hillclimb (around 60 second runs) where the distances covered are relatively short and you need the tyres to work/heat up very quickly. This is not a compound I would recommend for race/trackday dry use as the tyres will go off very quickly.
The sizes that will be available are:
185/60R13, 205/60R13, 195/50R15, 205/50R15, 225/45R16, 225/45R17.
Another subject is the introduction of our Proxes R1R. This tyre was due to be launched at the beginning of 2008, unfortunately this has been delayed to at least mid 2008 but there is a good chance it will be latter than this. Regarding sizes, initially we will have a rear fit (225/45ZR17) but not the front (195/50R16).
I hope this is of some use to you.
If I can be of any further assistance please give me a call.
01933 414537
Best Regards
Alan
Toyo 888 Tyre Pressures
Extracted from the following thread:
http://forums.seloc.org/viewthread.php?tid=222602
My name is Alan Meaker, I am the Motorsport Manager for Toyo Tyres (UK) Ltd.
I was at Rockingham on the Saturday 1ST March at the LOT trackday and worked with a couple of cars using our R888 tyre regarding pressures and tread temperatures.
What I would like to do is to offer some advice on tyre temperatures and pressures and how to achieve the best from our tyres when taking part in either trackdays or racing.
The R888 has a semi race construction (very stiff) and a race tread compound. The optimum tread temperature range is between 85C and 95C measured using a probe type pyrometer, and ideally a maximum difference across the tread of 9C. The maximum hot pressure we recommend is 40psi. Camber angles up to 5 degrees are permissible but the final setting will depend on tread temperatures. It is advisable to have as much positive castor as practical as castor induces a beneficial camber change during cornering. I recommend that the tyres be put through 2 heat cycles before hard use.
The pressures you use will initially depend on the weight of the car, too little pressure on a heavy car can lead to over deflection of the tyre and subsequent failure.
Below are some basic settings:
VEHICLE WEIGHT COLD PRESSURE HOT PRESSURE Very Light < 800kg 17 - 22 psi 22 - 29 psi Light 800kg - 1000kg 20 - 26 psi 24 - 32 psi Heavy 1000kg - 1400kg 23 - 27 psi 28 - 40 psi Very Heavy > 1400kg 27 - 35 psi 37 - 40 psi
As a tyre gets hotter the pressure increases, this is due to the moisture in the air. The cold pressure you set to achieve a desired hot pressure will depend on the conditions on the day i.e. ambient and track temperature, wet or dry. If the day/track is cold you will need to start with a higher cold pressure as the tyre will not get as hot therefore the pressure increase will not be so great. Hot pressures must be balanced side to side. Once the tyres have cooled you will find that you will have a difference in pressure side to side, if you have been racing on a right hand track you will find the offside pressures will usually be higher than the nearside.
Changing hot inflation pressures by small amounts can be used to fine tune handling.
Reduce Oversteer Reduce rear pressures or increase front pressures Increase Oversteer Increase rear pressures or reduce front pressures Reduce Understeer Reduce front pressures or increase rear pressures Increase Understeer Increase front pressures or reduce rear pressures
Achieving the required tread temperatures will depend again on the conditions on the day i.e. ambient and track temperature, wet or dry.
You often here competitors saying “My tyres started to go of towards the end of the race”, this is usually due to the tread getting to hot.
The tread temperatures are constantly changing through out a race, hotter when cornering and cooler when on the straights and cooling even more when you are slowing to come into the pits. Therefore the temps you record in the pits will be lower than those during the race. So if you record temperatures within the range given above the probability is the temps will be too high during the race.
Increasing your tyre pressures will cause your tread temperatures to increase, more pressure stiffens the tyre’s casing which results in the tread having to do more work resulting in the tread getting hotter. Lowering your pressures will cause them to decrease.
Inevitably changing one thing will affect other things, the whole set up of your car is a compromise between anything that is adjustable.
Some of you are also asking about different compounds. Originally we only had one compound ‘GG’ (medium hard), but we have now introduced some sizes in a ‘SG’ (soft/wet) compound. This was done primarily for sprint/hillclimb (around 60 second runs) where the distances covered are relatively short and you need the tyres to work/heat up very quickly. This is not a compound I would recommend for race/trackday dry use as the tyres will go off very quickly.
The sizes that will be available are:
185/60R13, 205/60R13, 195/50R15, 205/50R15, 225/45R16, 225/45R17.
Another subject is the introduction of our Proxes R1R. This tyre was due to be launched at the beginning of 2008, unfortunately this has been delayed to at least mid 2008 but there is a good chance it will be latter than this. Regarding sizes, initially we will have a rear fit (225/45ZR17) but not the front (195/50R16).
I hope this is of some use to you.
If I can be of any further assistance please give me a call.
01933 414537
Best Regards
Alan
20-10-2010, 09:26 AM
#9
yeah saxo vtr needs to have the rear really loose to get around the corners as we havent got loads of straight line speed.
its proven in our championship the harder the better on rears i did go with 45psi at one point but thought it was too much. there is a few drivers that have gone as far as 50psi and they do well but there young karting drivers who dont care. lol
its proven in our championship the harder the better on rears i did go with 45psi at one point but thought it was too much. there is a few drivers that have gone as far as 50psi and they do well but there young karting drivers who dont care. lol
20-10-2010, 09:27 AM
#11
PassionFord Post Whore!!
yeah saxo vtr needs to have the rear really loose to get around the corners as we havent got loads of straight line speed.
its proven in our championship the harder the better on rears i did go with 45psi at one point but thought it was too much. there is a few drivers that have gone as far as 50psi and they do well but there young karting drivers who dont care. lol
its proven in our championship the harder the better on rears i did go with 45psi at one point but thought it was too much. there is a few drivers that have gone as far as 50psi and they do well but there young karting drivers who dont care. lol
20-10-2010, 09:41 AM
#14
1/4 mile beasty!!!!
Thread Starter
What did you run them at last time?
Are you fucking mad.... you wll roll them off the rim!!
At least 65psi
I think he means for 1/4mile rather than track.
I ran mine last at 10psi and my time was better than previous.. however cant say it was the reason for this though.
The sidewalls are pretty stiff on these though.
Are you fucking mad.... you wll roll them off the rim!!
At least 65psi
I think he means for 1/4mile rather than track.
I ran mine last at 10psi and my time was better than previous.. however cant say it was the reason for this though.
The sidewalls are pretty stiff on these though.
And 15 psi at pod when i ran my 12.6
But im unsure if this changed the time because i ran a differant exhaust setup at shakespeare so this could of improved my time?
oh forgot to mention to you did a second gear launch at shakespeare ran a 12.6 with a bit more practice irekon i would run a better time doing this!!
ajc you've had it!!!!! 55psi /?/////???
20-10-2010, 09:43 AM
#15
1/4 mile beasty!!!!
Thread Starter
20-10-2010, 10:09 AM
#16
20psi last time at shakespeare when i ran my 12.4
And 15 psi at pod when i ran my 12.6
But im unsure if this changed the time because i ran a differant exhaust setup at shakespeare so this could of improved my time?
oh forgot to mention to you did a second gear launch at shakespeare ran a 12.6 with a bit more practice irekon i would run a better time doing this!!
ajc you've had it!!!!! 55psi /?/////???
And 15 psi at pod when i ran my 12.6
But im unsure if this changed the time because i ran a differant exhaust setup at shakespeare so this could of improved my time?
oh forgot to mention to you did a second gear launch at shakespeare ran a 12.6 with a bit more practice irekon i would run a better time doing this!!
ajc you've had it!!!!! 55psi /?/////???
This weekend will be fun... just hope its not mega busy!
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