Long road back from 3rd bottom fidster,hope the glazers get out at man u aswell.

 

agreed kev, but there are 31 games left to address that mate, our main priority for the short, and long term, was getting the owners out, clearing the debt, and giving our selves a platform to build on for the future, that isnt based on being able to pay huge loans against the club, which is dependant on success, which if this deals comes off, and the potential new owners stay true to there word, will hopefully the position we are in.

as for the glaziers, i feel your pain, when you have huge debt hanging round your neck, its a MASSIVE concern, as we well and truely know, hence the position we are currently in. and believe it or not, i hope you get shot of them aswel, there is no place in english football, for people like george gillette, tom hicks, and the glaziers.

 

I have the feeling this isn't going to be the step forward that liverpool need. They are being purchased by an investment company who are only after seeing a return on their investment. If they buy it for £300m I can't see them investing that again into the team.

All the top rich clubs like chelsea, man u and city all continue to make losses as it is impossible to have and pay the best players in the world and make a profit.

 

Somewhere along the line there's gonna be a financial meltdown in the premiership,chelski would be royally fucked if the russian took his roubles away.

 

here we go yawn yawn getting a bit tired of hearing that one

 

That's a sensible idea I think, Fiddy. I remember last time in 2007 loads of Liverpool fans were all over the web, TV and papers saying how their stadium's going to be bigger than Old Trafford, better and had this fantasy shopping list of players, ended up looking like fools in the end. Maybe some of your fans have learned from this!!!



Man United make a profit of around £100m per year, more than any club in the world and second on income to Madrid, they also have the biggest club worth, they don't make losses like City and Chelsea do. Those are essentially smaller clubs who were bought by rich men then got in players on crazy wages that their earnings don't cover, hence the loss.

As a club, United has always been well run. The Glaziers however......

 

Am I not right in saying that united only made a profit last year due to the sale of ronaldo??

 

So in your opinion everything all gravy then ?

 

Read what you actually put mate. You said United were like Chelsea and City, that they make a loss as a club because of high wages and how they're run, this is not true. United make more profit than anyone in the world.


^ The Glaziers loan interest is something else altogether, its not debt United created and they have the money to cover it either way. The Ronaldo money was revealed to still be in the club account, £95m cash, probably more now. I think the BBC even described it as "bulging cash reserves" when talking about if the Glaziers would take some of it out of the club or not.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/davidbond...s.html?page=15

Layman's terms, if you take the Glaziers away from MUFC the club can continue the same, maybe some might say even better. However if you take Roman Abramovich and the Sheik away from those two they would have to offloads some players or something as what they make can't sustain it.

 

oh yes, once the deal is done, the new owners are in place, the debt is paid off, and the plans to either redevelop anfield, or move to a new stadium, are not just put in place, but work started, then, ill start getting my hopes up, and actually believe these new owners are who/what they say they are

but i must admit, the one thing in that entire statement that jumped out at me, was having the second smallest amount of debt in the premier league, that, is the selling point for me. debt, will/does ruin football, and if we can be one of the best run clubs in the country financially off the field, it makes the possibility of us being one of the best clubs in the country on the field in the future. as i said, this isnt just a short term thing, the major short term target is clearing the debt by the 15th to stop the vultures circling over anfield, the long term plan, is to make us financially self sufficient, then, we can start building stadiums, or redeveloping anfield, and that, will make money to invest on the field.

im under no illusions, this isnt an abramovic or sheik mansour type take over, where we will be spending £200m in the transfer window, that is NOT, going to happen, but as a business, its vital, that our first, and main priority, is to sort out our finances, then, we can improve, and move forward.

 

I think that if Liverpool can get back to winning games, they can be turned into a profittable club, especially with the right investment in the stadium.
One thing is certain, it would be a very stupid investment company who invested in a depreciating asset that they werent confident they could revive.
Unless anfield has a massive property development value or similar and they plan on asset stripping the club.

 

That's the ideal I think. If you're owned like by billionaires people just say you bought the titles and so on. Its best to have someone in who's rich enough to buy the club outright and not need to milk the clubs profits but not too rich. Then just use the clubs profit to reinvest in stadium work, academy or players.

Was reading about it this morning and about the ideas for the stadium, to look at Kennys thing of redeveloping the current site like they did at Red sox, if not then move to Stanley. Aside from the initial investment on that I guess you'll be back to where you were pre Hicks and Gillet, except a bigger capacity = more profit.

What profit did you make before and what debt did you have then, can't recall but remember you seeked a buyout as you couldn't afford the stadium work yourselves.

 

the company trying to buy liverpool is NESV New England Sports Ventures. they are fronted by John W Henry, an ex big time banker, and wall street guy, but are a total of 17 different people/companys, including, the New York Times Company, a media company responsible for the New York Times newspaper. all of the people and companys involved in NESV, are successful in there business feilds, and are also experienced in the sports world as they own the Boston Red Sox baseball team, who were in pretty much the same position liverpool are now when they bought them. they also own/run Fenway Park, Fenway Sports Group, and Roush Fenway Racing, a NASCAR team. everything they have undertaken sports wise, has been a success, and the teams are in a lot better position now, then when NESV took over.

 

Liverpool are shite end of, i'm glad they're where they are it's about time, i hope they sink further into trouble. I can't stand the whole setup down to that fucking annoying song.

 

hopefully roy will have some money to spend in january fiddy
cheers shaun

 

well, he could do with it shaun, but my main priority is the debt, once thats cleared, ill be a happy chappy

 

yes thanks , hows your club doing

 

Barry Hearn had a similarly impressive record, single handedly turning snooker into a multimillion pound spectator sport from pretty much nothing among other amazing acheivements in the world of sports and business.
When he bought leyton orient my mate who is a fan was over the moon as he was positive that if anyone could make a success of football it was Barry Hearn.
He failed miserably.

English football is a very unique game IMHO, and trying to make it financially viable is no mean feat even for sport business geniuses.

 

Man utd,probs better than yours eh ?

 

agreed, but liverpool, without debt, are a financially viable company, take away the debt, and liverpool make a big profit every season, just with the loan payments, all of that revenue is spoken for to pay the loans, especially the amount of oney that has been lost this season, and last, due to not being involved in the champions league. with the debt cleared, NESV can use the profit, to improve the club off the field, ie, the new stadium, or the redevelopment of the current stadium, which as arsenal proved when they built there new stadium, pays for its self over a period of time, and then raises the clubs profit margin substantially. i think, well, infact, i know, in the rite hands, liverpool as business, can be hugely successful, but it will take time, and the rite business decisions, to get them into that position. it wont happen over night, but with the rite plan in place, it is achievable.

 

Martin Broughton has just done an interview with skysports,

here's the video

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...431042,00.html

 

I know we have two american owners that know nothing about football and care nothing about liverpool their supporters or anything but money.

Lets get rid of them and get in people exactly the same except instead of ice hockey they like baseball!



your getting your hopes up again mate. Just like all the liverpudlians that did the day Hodgson was appointed.

 

And generally you cant make a fortune in football without a big Ground. at least far bigger than waht you have, which is why everyone that talks about taking over liverpool targets the ground first.

They must sort that first....... Well keep you up first then the ground lol.

 

Im sure Al Murray would argue that any man who has had 4 pints of beer, knows EXACTLY how to turn liverpool around and make it profittable.

Beer logic is all that is needed

 

evidently said with the rose tinted manc glasses on, and not on the cold, hard, facts, or reputation, of the the people who want to buy the club.

i dont care if there american, chinese, afghan, indian, australian, canadian, or from pluto, if there the rite people for the job, the new owner could be satan himself, as far as i care

 

And a wine for the lady.

 

you will when you are even more f**ked than you are already.

even if what i said is manc tinted can you not even see/admit that every bit that you have said and ever say about liverpool on here is so rediculously tinted that all you must see is red!

 

Chelsea wouldnt be that fucked!! They should be self sufficeint in a few years, as that was always Abramovich's plan!! Build/buy a team for the here and now, spend a fortune on the youth system so he hasnt got to buy players, bar mayveba marquee signing!! When was the last time a Chelsea manager had a open cheque book?? The team that won the league last season was largely Mourinho's team.......

 

I would say chelsea are a more stable team than utd at moment as we are happy woith our owner unlike you prawn sandwich brigade whingers,always thinking the world of sport owes you something like liverpool living on ancient history

 

And he will be once he's head of you dippers.

 

Enjoy it while you can m8.

 

I hope so m8 i wouldnt want to see any team go bust.

 

what i dont understand is how can you sell something i.e(liverpool) if the owners dont agree to it ????

 

i'd be over the moon if i was a Liverpool fan; nobody could be any worse than Hicks & Gillett!......................or can they?!

 

because when RBS, hicks and gillette, put martin broughton in place as chairman, and made him the main man to find new owners for the club, they all signed legally binding contracts, that stated, any potential sale of the club, wouldnt be the choice of the owners, but put to a vote by the board members, and the majority would win, hence, broughton, ayre, and perslow voted to accept the offer, hicks and gillette didnt, so gillette and hicks, lose on a vot of three to two, so in essence, the club they own, has been sold from underneath them, which to be fair, is the best move for the club. hicks and gillette wanted the biggest offer, not what was best for the club, the other three non owner board members, in ayre, broughton, and perslow, who get no financial gain from the sale of the club, wanted the deal that was best for the future of the club.

if this deal goes through, liverpool football club have a HUGE thank you to say, to MR Broughton. he promised the fans, by the time the club was sold, he would make sure it was in the best hands possible, and would not, let the club fall into the hands of another gillette and hicks.

most of us didnt believe him, as he is a life long chelsea fan, and wont even come near anfield when we play chelsea, but if this deal comes off, and the potential new owners do what they say they will, we have a lot to thank MR Broughton for, because he will be the first man, involved in the Liverpool board room, in the last 4 years, who has actually acted in the best interest of the club, and coming from a life long chelsea fan, that speaks volumes about the type of man Martin Broughton really is.

 

Will the Scousers still be chanting Yanks out then

 

no G, we gona sing star spangled banner instead

 

Yes flipper sounds mad at first but Fiddy is right. When RBS were getting more involved they essentially lost power at the club and its their own fault really. They tried to sack some of the board so they couldn't be voted against and now statements are on the official site like that which they can't do a lot about. Whereas you look at the Glaziers and they have Joel and Avram etc on the board so that can't happen.

They must be pissed (as businessmen and how they work) that they won't make anything after 3 years, just wasted time. Its there own fault really, should buy things or try do things you can't really afford.

 

there set to lose around £144m if this deal goes through, but obviously, i couldnt care less, the position they put the club in, taking out a £280m loan, and using the club as collateral, its nothing more than they deserve, hence why as part of the possible deal for the potential new owners, its in the contract, that they can NOT, EVER, take out loans and use the club as collateral. im very confident that this time around, the club can not be held accountable for the owners debt, and every step has been taken, to make sure, that the club can never be put into this type of position again. i just hope in future, other clubs will look at our situation, and make sure that for the future of there club, and supporters, are paramount when looking into possible takeovers, and this can turn into a poitive step, not just for LFC, but for all other clubs in the country aswel.