Nurburgring and not paying for damage
15-09-2010, 08:41 AM
#41
I was taken to the Police station and fined 1000 euros cash, the track officials fined us 800 euros. If I didn't pay the Police I was staying in the cell for the night.
They have got you by the balls if your a brit, thinking back on it I should of made some calls but I didn't see it as the worst fine in the world, I was more worried about the aftermath which as it happened never came to anything.
No receipt from the Police though, ALL forms in German, they had no interest in helping me out with the language barrier, just expected me to sign my life away with some forms which I refused to do.
Was a ball ache tbh and something I hope doesn't happen again
They have got you by the balls if your a brit, thinking back on it I should of made some calls but I didn't see it as the worst fine in the world, I was more worried about the aftermath which as it happened never came to anything.
No receipt from the Police though, ALL forms in German, they had no interest in helping me out with the language barrier, just expected me to sign my life away with some forms which I refused to do.
Was a ball ache tbh and something I hope doesn't happen again
15-09-2010, 08:58 AM
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Its a great shame that things have changed but TBH the circuit owners are obviously getting screwed from people or UK insurance companies not paying up.
My then insurance company in 2001 eventually paid them after 5months for Armco, took 2months to pay me but never paid Ł30 for the safety car which I paid the office on a return visit. Insurance for my RS500 had only cost Ł31.50 for the 2 weeks I had my car on the road so I think I won that one.
My question is if you had your insurance documents with you (not stating any 'ring / toll road exclusions) could they still make you pay up front?
Did Ian have valid insurance documents with him?
None of my insurance policies to date have ever stated any 'ring / toll road exclusions.
I will be contacting the circuit office and insurance company in writing before doing a public day in my own car but prefer to do a dedicated track day there as its much better value for money and at least you know you're not covered and AFAIK don't need to pay for Armco!
15-09-2010, 09:22 AM
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No idea Chip and wouldn't want to be in this situation to find out but I think its a very good idea to make everyone aware of this which I wasn't, cheers.
Its a great shame that things have changed but TBH the circuit owners are obviously getting screwed from people or UK insurance companies not paying up.
My then insurance company in 2001 eventually paid them after 5months for Armco, took 2months to pay me but never paid Ł30 for the safety car which I paid the office on a return visit. Insurance for my RS500 had only cost Ł31.50 for the 2 weeks I had my car on the road so I think I won that one.
Its a great shame that things have changed but TBH the circuit owners are obviously getting screwed from people or UK insurance companies not paying up.
My then insurance company in 2001 eventually paid them after 5months for Armco, took 2months to pay me but never paid Ł30 for the safety car which I paid the office on a return visit. Insurance for my RS500 had only cost Ł31.50 for the 2 weeks I had my car on the road so I think I won that one.
My question is if you had your insurance documents with you (not stating any 'ring / toll road exclusions) could they still make you pay up front?
Did Ian have valid insurance documents with him?
None of my insurance policies to date have ever stated any 'ring / toll road exclusions.
I will be contacting the circuit office and insurance company in writing before doing a public day in my own car but prefer to do a dedicated track day there as its much better value for money and at least you know you're not covered and AFAIK don't need to pay for Armco!
I will be contacting the circuit office and insurance company in writing before doing a public day in my own car but prefer to do a dedicated track day there as its much better value for money and at least you know you're not covered and AFAIK don't need to pay for Armco!
I'd be more than happy to go there under those circumstances and accept if I bin my car Ive lost it.
15-09-2010, 09:35 AM
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http://nurburgring-photos.fotopic.net/p66955320.html
Taken on a public day 5/9/10 during world superbikes when it was supposed to be quiet.
15-09-2010, 09:36 AM
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I just read their german Terms and Conditions and it says that if you cause damage they can demand a deposit in cash.
I guess that is because otherwise they would have to wait months or years for the insurance companies (which are all bastards as we know) to pay out.
Indepedently you might also have to pay a fine to the police if you have caused an accident/road hazard.
PS: Feel free to contact me if you get into any trouble and need translation help. Unfortunately I'm not near the ring at all, though. PM me for mobile number if you're planning a trip.
I guess that is because otherwise they would have to wait months or years for the insurance companies (which are all bastards as we know) to pay out.
Indepedently you might also have to pay a fine to the police if you have caused an accident/road hazard.
PS: Feel free to contact me if you get into any trouble and need translation help. Unfortunately I'm not near the ring at all, though. PM me for mobile number if you're planning a trip.
15-09-2010, 09:38 AM
#51
Like I said this was a bank holiday over there was a race series the first day then the next three I did five good clear laps two were wet so some people may not have bothered but the last three were nice and warm and I wasn't hassled with too many drivers
Parking in carpark was hard thought
15-09-2010, 09:46 AM
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If insurers don't cover you for using a ring road/toll road, that's me staying off the m25 lol
It's much cheaper than the nurburgring tho lol, Ł1 a lap and nonpaying for armcos, just remember to hide your plates before racing any1 lol.
It's much cheaper than the nurburgring tho lol, Ł1 a lap and nonpaying for armcos, just remember to hide your plates before racing any1 lol.
15-09-2010, 10:13 AM
#53
Your not wrong about it being busy mike
http://nurburgring-photos.fotopic.net/p66955320.html
Taken on a public day 5/9/10 during world superbikes when it was supposed to be quiet.
http://nurburgring-photos.fotopic.net/p66955320.html
Taken on a public day 5/9/10 during world superbikes when it was supposed to be quiet.
Fuck that for a procession
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15-09-2010, 10:34 AM
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I'd imagine if they had of stuck me in a cell for the night the 1000 euros would of still be required.
Was a total pistake as a women with a baby took the money off me, I could of got our insurer involved but as mentioned I didn't really fancy having them want the money back so I borrowed it off a few mates and settled up with them when we got home.
On the same trip my mate had a big un in his car but they let him off without charge as the bit of armco he hit gets hit often ( end of Tiergarten before the right hander there is a bit of armco that pokes out and he hit that going sidways at quite some speed )
It wasn't the best trip over there if I was to be honest
Was a total pistake as a women with a baby took the money off me, I could of got our insurer involved but as mentioned I didn't really fancy having them want the money back so I borrowed it off a few mates and settled up with them when we got home.
On the same trip my mate had a big un in his car but they let him off without charge as the bit of armco he hit gets hit often ( end of Tiergarten before the right hander there is a bit of armco that pokes out and he hit that going sidways at quite some speed )
It wasn't the best trip over there if I was to be honest
15-09-2010, 10:36 AM
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I totally agree, WAY too busy these days, that trip I mentioned was jam packed, couldn't get a good lap in if you wanted too and cunts everywhere who thought they owned the place which pisses me right off, the biker being one of them.
15-09-2010, 10:36 AM
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And i belive the unofficial record is around 43mins
it takes me that long to get from junction 30 to the tolls over the dam bridge most times
15-09-2010, 11:53 AM
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I thought British insurers had to provide 3rd party cover by law if it's a public highway, which unless closed for racing the Nurburgring is? Wouldn't that make any clause in your insurance revoking cover unlawful?
15-09-2010, 12:00 PM
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No one looks cool when they've spent 5 days abroad and just realised their much needed breakdown cover was only for 72 hours.......
When you've been extremely lucky to come away from an accident abroad in your favour then I do think its an experience you've won, could have easily been very different and yes its not really the right thing to say but yes I won, I won, I won.
In 2001 you could overtake on both sides and video yourself doing it, those were the days
When you've been extremely lucky to come away from an accident abroad in your favour then I do think its an experience you've won, could have easily been very different and yes its not really the right thing to say but yes I won, I won, I won.
In 2001 you could overtake on both sides and video yourself doing it, those were the days
15-09-2010, 12:19 PM
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Correct, also if they mention derestricted toll roads that doesn't include the ring as there are 2 sections that have speed limits IIRC
15-09-2010, 02:09 PM
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I was just trying to find a pic of the rad where it broke but I have no idea where that is now, found this one though and maybe it was the Vauxsport T shirt I was wearing that cursed me ! I blame it all on you Chip
15-09-2010, 02:44 PM
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15-09-2010, 05:29 PM
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That is a massive issue but can happen to anyone driving anything, I was in a E36 M3 prepared by a well known motorsport company, shit happens at the end of the day.
I was just trying to find a pic of the rad where it broke but I have no idea where that is now, found this one though and maybe it was the Vauxsport T shirt I was wearing that cursed me ! I blame it all on you Chip
I was just trying to find a pic of the rad where it broke but I have no idea where that is now, found this one though and maybe it was the Vauxsport T shirt I was wearing that cursed me ! I blame it all on you Chip
I believe if you can't pay then don't play
15-09-2010, 05:52 PM
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15-09-2010, 06:11 PM
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Agreed as well, although the problem is that the cost is such an unknown.
A 5K bill I can pay, a 50K bill I would really struggle with, and both are perfectly possible to get.
Hence ive not driven there since I have been unable to get insurance there anymore other than a few sedate laps in lee's car where I felt I wasnt risking too much as I wasnt really going quick enough to have a significant risk of a massive accident.
A 5K bill I can pay, a 50K bill I would really struggle with, and both are perfectly possible to get.
Hence ive not driven there since I have been unable to get insurance there anymore other than a few sedate laps in lee's car where I felt I wasnt risking too much as I wasnt really going quick enough to have a significant risk of a massive accident.
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