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29-01-2005, 10:25 AM
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Fair play Pugo, with you're credential's I would have thought you would have a bit more sense than to post up the utter drivel that you have done. The ebay ad clearly states that it is a 1660 engine, thus ruling out any 2L cosworth conversion. As somebody has already posted up the rules the issue of FWD/RWD/4WD has been covered.
That leaves you with a FWD stripped fiesta running a 1660 (presumably CVH as I would expect the rules dictate that you can't change from the standard production engine).
Now if I was advertising my car I would include everything that would make it sell. Now if this car had any amazing additions (as you have hinted at by stating that we don't know what it's got) then presumably they would have been included in the advert to entice the buyer. Fact is there is nothing overly special in the spec.
Therefore anybody with even a little knowledge of fords would have some idea that a FWD stripped out, honed CVH spec 'racing/track' car is going to struggle to drag itself up the 1/4 mile in under 11.5 and with a 0-60 of less than 3secs.
It's not a matter of having seen the car in real life to be able to criticise it's knowing that on that spec those claims are false. Not only are they false they're very false. In reality that spec is not going to get anywhere near that. Fact. No matter how you dress it up as lamb it's still mutton.
Please don't come back with any points saying I don't know what's in the car as the basic fact's of FWD, 1660 CVH have already been proved.
Now back to the main point of this thread which was to ridicule somebody who should definitely know better than to make false claims. You've hit back saying that Martin Hadland should not be 'dissing' him as he's never seen the car nor is he a 'racing driver' or as you put it'but i do care that some egotistical trackday warrior with no real car racing championship wins or motorsport history can diss a real race car driver'. Why can't he criticise this guy when the advert clearly has false claims?
You stated 'look at the facts here the guy selling the car is obviously going to up the claims a bit. as its a sellers perogative,however he and the car has 2 championship wins under his belts and would beat any of you trackday warriors in his little fiesta, he is a racing driver show him the respect he deserves...... '
Absolute rubbish, there is no seller's perogative at all. That is simply false advertising and why do you insist to target the racing issue in a thread that is clearly targetting false claims. No one (before you posted) made any claims that he couldn't drive well. The simple point was that somebody with his apparant background shouldn't be making 'max power' claims about their cars performance.
Personally I'm wondering if you know the owner of the car as you seem to be so vehemently defending him. I'm not saying this is a bad thing just that it would explain a few things.
I can assure you that I'm not in Martin's pocket and don't revere him as some sort of god! Can't say I post on here much but I do have a read every now and then.
Well I'm off to finish stripping my 1600 crossflow. Got a little fezzie of my own. Should be enjoyable when it's finished and yes I do compete in motorsport. Just waiting for the flux capacitor to arrive then I'll be hitting the magic 88mph and showing the Romans that my ickle car can beat their 2hp chariots.
Of course you can't say anything about this as you've never met me or my car therefore I might just be telling the truth.
That leaves you with a FWD stripped fiesta running a 1660 (presumably CVH as I would expect the rules dictate that you can't change from the standard production engine).
Now if I was advertising my car I would include everything that would make it sell. Now if this car had any amazing additions (as you have hinted at by stating that we don't know what it's got) then presumably they would have been included in the advert to entice the buyer. Fact is there is nothing overly special in the spec.
Therefore anybody with even a little knowledge of fords would have some idea that a FWD stripped out, honed CVH spec 'racing/track' car is going to struggle to drag itself up the 1/4 mile in under 11.5 and with a 0-60 of less than 3secs.
It's not a matter of having seen the car in real life to be able to criticise it's knowing that on that spec those claims are false. Not only are they false they're very false. In reality that spec is not going to get anywhere near that. Fact. No matter how you dress it up as lamb it's still mutton.
Please don't come back with any points saying I don't know what's in the car as the basic fact's of FWD, 1660 CVH have already been proved.
Now back to the main point of this thread which was to ridicule somebody who should definitely know better than to make false claims. You've hit back saying that Martin Hadland should not be 'dissing' him as he's never seen the car nor is he a 'racing driver' or as you put it'but i do care that some egotistical trackday warrior with no real car racing championship wins or motorsport history can diss a real race car driver'. Why can't he criticise this guy when the advert clearly has false claims?
You stated 'look at the facts here the guy selling the car is obviously going to up the claims a bit. as its a sellers perogative,however he and the car has 2 championship wins under his belts and would beat any of you trackday warriors in his little fiesta, he is a racing driver show him the respect he deserves...... '
Absolute rubbish, there is no seller's perogative at all. That is simply false advertising and why do you insist to target the racing issue in a thread that is clearly targetting false claims. No one (before you posted) made any claims that he couldn't drive well. The simple point was that somebody with his apparant background shouldn't be making 'max power' claims about their cars performance.
Personally I'm wondering if you know the owner of the car as you seem to be so vehemently defending him. I'm not saying this is a bad thing just that it would explain a few things.
I can assure you that I'm not in Martin's pocket and don't revere him as some sort of god! Can't say I post on here much but I do have a read every now and then.
Well I'm off to finish stripping my 1600 crossflow. Got a little fezzie of my own. Should be enjoyable when it's finished and yes I do compete in motorsport. Just waiting for the flux capacitor to arrive then I'll be hitting the magic 88mph and showing the Romans that my ickle car can beat their 2hp chariots.
Of course you can't say anything about this as you've never met me or my car therefore I might just be telling the truth.
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Originally Posted by pugo
Me, i would prefer to come with you once the cars ready, watch you launch it, see how the car performs and then with all the info to hand and some base times put in ,then i would hazard a guess to what you could get the car down to!!!!!
its called proffesionalism!!!!
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29-01-2005, 02:07 PM
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So you'd call me unprofessional and 'guessing' if I put my car on E-Bay with a 4s claim? As that's just what this bloke's done, and you're defending him.
pick a valid argument mate and stick with it
and yes, if you were going to guess, then yes you are unproffessional!!!
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29-01-2005, 02:11 PM
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Pugo - try doing your research before mouthing off.
as the advert DOES NOT mention any other parts included to make the car perform like that.
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29-01-2005, 02:52 PM
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I give up, I really do, twice you've entirely missed the point. 
You now appear to be arguing just for the sake of it, see what you want to see, go on.
Clutch at those straws as you go down...
You now appear to be arguing just for the sake of it, see what you want to see, go on.
Clutch at those straws as you go down...
29-01-2005, 03:17 PM
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well come on steve explain, your car is a pile of bits and you do not know how its going to turn out!
his car is completely togethor with a known(to him) spec
how is he guessing..............your missing the point completely here
your guessing with your car , as everybody on here is with the xr2, the bloke that owns it knows the spec, he makes a statement you all flame him and you lot are all guessing............!
do you get it yet or are the gears still whirring
how about this, i tell you my car can do 300mph.....what are you going to do.....your going to ask me the fookin details.......not just point the finger and call me a fookin LIAR....but has anybody done this...OOOOOOHHHH NNOOOOO
do you get it yet or are ya still gonna guess!!!
and "you now appear to be arguing for the sake of it" statement is a female stance when the chips are down!
it would have been better if you had said "i know you are but what am i"
Pugo
his car is completely togethor with a known(to him) spec
how is he guessing..............your missing the point completely here
your guessing with your car , as everybody on here is with the xr2, the bloke that owns it knows the spec, he makes a statement you all flame him and you lot are all guessing............!
do you get it yet or are the gears still whirring
how about this, i tell you my car can do 300mph.....what are you going to do.....your going to ask me the fookin details.......not just point the finger and call me a fookin LIAR....but has anybody done this...OOOOOOHHHH NNOOOOO
do you get it yet or are ya still gonna guess!!!
and "you now appear to be arguing for the sake of it" statement is a female stance when the chips are down!
it would have been better if you had said "i know you are but what am i"
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29-01-2005, 07:33 PM
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I read all the posts before answering - clearly you didnt as at one point you claimed it was possible he had a reduced capacity Cosworth engine. You jsut hate to lose an argument.
29-01-2005, 08:04 PM
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I read all the posts before answering - clearly you didnt as at one point you claimed it was possible he had a reduced capacity Cosworth engine
please do not just throw in a derogatory remark about me as that shows severe lack of imagination and makes you look foolish.we can all call each other names....but generally if i feel the need to be verbally abused i just talk to my children(the things they have called me show a lot more imagination than bellend
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29-01-2005, 08:33 PM
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Fair play Pugo, with you're credential's I would have thought you would have a bit more sense than to post up the utter drivel that you have done. The ebay ad clearly states that it is a 1660 engine, thus ruling out any 2L cosworth conversion. As somebody has already posted up the rules the issue of FWD/RWD/4WD has been covered.
That leaves you with a FWD stripped fiesta running a 1660 (presumably CVH as I would expect the rules dictate that you can't change from the standard production engine).
Now if I was advertising my car I would include everything that would make it sell. Now if this car had any amazing additions (as you have hinted at by stating that we don't know what it's got) then presumably they would have been included in the advert to entice the buyer. Fact is there is nothing overly special in the spec.
Therefore anybody with even a little knowledge of fords would have some idea that a FWD stripped out, honed CVH spec 'racing/track' car is going to struggle to drag itself up the 1/4 mile in under 11.5 and with a 0-60 of less than 3secs.
It's not a matter of having seen the car in real life to be able to criticise it's knowing that on that spec those claims are false. Not only are they false they're very false. In reality that spec is not going to get anywhere near that. Fact. No matter how you dress it up as lamb it's still mutton.
Please don't come back with any points saying I don't know what's in the car as the basic fact's of FWD, 1660 CVH have already been proved.
Now back to the main point of this thread which was to ridicule somebody who should definitely know better than to make false claims. You've hit back saying that Martin Hadland should not be 'dissing' him as he's never seen the car nor is he a 'racing driver' or as you put it'but i do care that some egotistical trackday warrior with no real car racing championship wins or motorsport history can diss a real race car driver'. Why can't he criticise this guy when the advert clearly has false claims?
You stated 'look at the facts here the guy selling the car is obviously going to up the claims a bit. as its a sellers perogative,however he and the car has 2 championship wins under his belts and would beat any of you trackday warriors in his little fiesta, he is a racing driver show him the respect he deserves...... '
Absolute rubbish, there is no seller's perogative at all. That is simply false advertising and why do you insist to target the racing issue in a thread that is clearly targetting false claims. No one (before you posted) made any claims that he couldn't drive well. The simple point was that somebody with his apparant background shouldn't be making 'max power' claims about their cars performance.
Personally I'm wondering if you know the owner of the car as you seem to be so vehemently defending him. I'm not saying this is a bad thing just that it would explain a few things.
I can assure you that I'm not in Martin's pocket and don't revere him as some sort of god! Can't say I post on here much but I do have a read every now and then.
Well I'm off to finish stripping my 1600 crossflow. Got a little fezzie of my own. Should be enjoyable when it's finished and yes I do compete in motorsport. Just waiting for the flux capacitor to arrive then I'll be hitting the magic 88mph and showing the Romans that my ickle car can beat their 2hp chariots.
Of course you can't say anything about this as you've never met me or my car therefore I might just be telling the truth.
That leaves you with a FWD stripped fiesta running a 1660 (presumably CVH as I would expect the rules dictate that you can't change from the standard production engine).
Now if I was advertising my car I would include everything that would make it sell. Now if this car had any amazing additions (as you have hinted at by stating that we don't know what it's got) then presumably they would have been included in the advert to entice the buyer. Fact is there is nothing overly special in the spec.
Therefore anybody with even a little knowledge of fords would have some idea that a FWD stripped out, honed CVH spec 'racing/track' car is going to struggle to drag itself up the 1/4 mile in under 11.5 and with a 0-60 of less than 3secs.
It's not a matter of having seen the car in real life to be able to criticise it's knowing that on that spec those claims are false. Not only are they false they're very false. In reality that spec is not going to get anywhere near that. Fact. No matter how you dress it up as lamb it's still mutton.
Please don't come back with any points saying I don't know what's in the car as the basic fact's of FWD, 1660 CVH have already been proved.
Now back to the main point of this thread which was to ridicule somebody who should definitely know better than to make false claims. You've hit back saying that Martin Hadland should not be 'dissing' him as he's never seen the car nor is he a 'racing driver' or as you put it'but i do care that some egotistical trackday warrior with no real car racing championship wins or motorsport history can diss a real race car driver'. Why can't he criticise this guy when the advert clearly has false claims?
You stated 'look at the facts here the guy selling the car is obviously going to up the claims a bit. as its a sellers perogative,however he and the car has 2 championship wins under his belts and would beat any of you trackday warriors in his little fiesta, he is a racing driver show him the respect he deserves...... '
Absolute rubbish, there is no seller's perogative at all. That is simply false advertising and why do you insist to target the racing issue in a thread that is clearly targetting false claims. No one (before you posted) made any claims that he couldn't drive well. The simple point was that somebody with his apparant background shouldn't be making 'max power' claims about their cars performance.
Personally I'm wondering if you know the owner of the car as you seem to be so vehemently defending him. I'm not saying this is a bad thing just that it would explain a few things.
I can assure you that I'm not in Martin's pocket and don't revere him as some sort of god! Can't say I post on here much but I do have a read every now and then.
Well I'm off to finish stripping my 1600 crossflow. Got a little fezzie of my own. Should be enjoyable when it's finished and yes I do compete in motorsport. Just waiting for the flux capacitor to arrive then I'll be hitting the magic 88mph and showing the Romans that my ickle car can beat their 2hp chariots.
Of course you can't say anything about this as you've never met me or my car therefore I might just be telling the truth.
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29-01-2005, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by cossiecrew
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accidents happen you twat like anyone would want to total his car and proper injure a mate you realy are a fucking twat 
the move he done when smashing his motor was done on purpose so yes he did break it on purpose
like anyone would want to total his car and proper injure a mate you realy are a fucking twat so he never meant to undertake the other car then?
tried his luck and ran out of talent thats all no accident there my friend just bad driving
oohhhh your sooooo mad fucking idiot
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29-01-2005, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by cossiecrew
S2martin
accidents happen you twat like anyone would want to total his car and proper injure a mate you realy are a fucking twat
the move he done when smashing his motor was done on purpose so yes he did break it on purpose
like anyone would want to total his car and proper injure a mate you realy are a fucking twat so he never meant to undertake the other car then?
tried his luck and ran out of talent thats all no accident there my friend just bad driving
oohhhh your sooooo mad fucking idiot
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29-01-2005, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by essexrsturbo
pugo and S2 martin ive got a great big spoon here that you can eat that blokes arsehole out with you want..
no1's saying that the blokes not a good driver as he most proberly is but wot everyone is saying is that car cannot do a sub 3 second 0-60!
and for you to criticise martins car building qualitys, list the amount of cossies that have come close to beating his times (regardless of money)
couldnt be bother to reply to this thread but got bored
no1's saying that the blokes not a good driver as he most proberly is but wot everyone is saying is that car cannot do a sub 3 second 0-60!
and for you to criticise martins car building qualitys, list the amount of cossies that have come close to beating his times (regardless of money)
couldnt be bother to reply to this thread but got bored
do me a favour mate you had trouble with the FURY of a 180bhp beantin then smashed the fucker as the power was too strong
Now do yourself a favour and go and wipe your top lip as Jano's shit is all over it
Martin.
p.s i don't really care if the guy could do it in under 3 seconds or not but there was no need to email him giving it billy big spuds thats all
29-01-2005, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by pugo
if i feel the need to be verbally abused i just talk to my children(the things they have called me show a lot more imagination than bellend
Sorry, I don't really want to get involved in this but I'm fookin' pissing myself that even Pugo's kids obviously think he's a twat
29-01-2005, 09:09 PM
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so he never meant to undertake the other car then?
he didnt undertake the car as the drive onthe other side of the road
, he was overtaking 
but i bet he wont to that again in a hurry
, next time lee drives
29-01-2005, 09:10 PM
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ive been through the hole pages and its simpel it cant do it end off
29-01-2005, 09:33 PM
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Sorry, I don't really want to get involved in this but I'm fookin' pissing myself that even Pugo's kids obviously think he's a twat
, after all this is coming from a bloke that plays kids games on other forums.......oooh look at me winding the nova boys up...i am really funny (fookin sad more like) Pugo
29-01-2005, 09:36 PM
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mom..... there's a guy on the net calling me names!!!!
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29-01-2005, 10:08 PM
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mom..... there's a guy on the net calling me names!!!!
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29-01-2005, 10:25 PM
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Pugo,
I kind of see your point about the spec of the car being "capable", but you're just arguing for arguements sake.
I don't think people have ANY idea of just how fast a sub 3 second car to 60 really is, and like I said before, if it was geared to do that kind of time to 60, then it'd be the worst race car in the entire world.
By the way, I have plenty of racecraft - does that mean my car is fast?
I kind of see your point about the spec of the car being "capable", but you're just arguing for arguements sake.
I don't think people have ANY idea of just how fast a sub 3 second car to 60 really is, and like I said before, if it was geared to do that kind of time to 60, then it'd be the worst race car in the entire world.
By the way, I have plenty of racecraft - does that mean my car is fast?
29-01-2005, 10:27 PM
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very funny... muppet
they won't say it personnally dude, your fame only extends to this forum and a couple of car mags.........none of em know your name! the escos on the other hand is now world renowned thanks to your driving talent(or lack of) in the gumball.....!
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29-01-2005, 10:29 PM
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By the way, I have plenty of racecraft - does that mean my car is fast?
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29-01-2005, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by pugo
mom..... there's a guy on the net calling me names!!!!
Pugo
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29-01-2005, 10:33 PM
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Right.
For the record though, Martin's crash was an accident.
Hey, we've all had one! I rolled my kart once and nearly ended up dead - these things happen.
By the way, I've been in the car with Martin, and I'd have no hesitation in getting in again. You'll be telling me next that because I had an accident once, that I'm talent free..............
For the record though, Martin's crash was an accident.
Hey, we've all had one! I rolled my kart once and nearly ended up dead - these things happen.
By the way, I've been in the car with Martin, and I'd have no hesitation in getting in again. You'll be telling me next that because I had an accident once, that I'm talent free..............
29-01-2005, 10:47 PM
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NO,NO,NO
martins crash was the result of the most stupidist move on a public highway i have ever seen it was something you expect a 17 year old to pull wh has been allowed out in his dads fast car!!! when you crashed your kart was you on a racetrack with all karts travelling in the same direction, you all knew the risks and you were alone in the kart, HE was driving with a passenger with no harness/belt on(whom he was responsible for) on a public road with people moving both ways, others may have not expected a 140+mph 3 car abreast overtaking whilst using the hard shoulder, and he had not been down that stretch of road before(i am assuming that) where as you had probably done lap after lap without incident on the circuit you crashed at!
What i think is ironic is that the kid that crashed at the Essexrsoc last year was flamed on here because he was showboating and this guy is held in total admiration for his total brain dip of a move
Pugo
martins crash was the result of the most stupidist move on a public highway i have ever seen it was something you expect a 17 year old to pull wh has been allowed out in his dads fast car!!! when you crashed your kart was you on a racetrack with all karts travelling in the same direction, you all knew the risks and you were alone in the kart, HE was driving with a passenger with no harness/belt on(whom he was responsible for) on a public road with people moving both ways, others may have not expected a 140+mph 3 car abreast overtaking whilst using the hard shoulder, and he had not been down that stretch of road before(i am assuming that) where as you had probably done lap after lap without incident on the circuit you crashed at!
What i think is ironic is that the kid that crashed at the Essexrsoc last year was flamed on here because he was showboating and this guy is held in total admiration for his total brain dip of a move
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29-01-2005, 11:03 PM
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but personally his car was a legend in its own right
pugo shut the fuck up
were not all perfect!!!!
were not all perfect!!!!
this is a discussion mate , you can't use council house threats here mate, if you don't like what you read....DON'T FOOKIN READ IT!
oh i see ,i am not allowed an opinion FFS
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who said anything about MARTIN????? personally never spoke to the guy. i liked the car mate!! 
perhaps you should open your eyes before opening your mouth!
you tell me whats sooo true about if you crash you have no talent??? i didnt know michael shumacher had a clean track record
oh and i guess colin mcrae should go back to driving school
perhaps you should open your eyes before opening your mouth!
you tell me whats sooo true about if you crash you have no talent??? i didnt know michael shumacher had a clean track record
oh and i guess colin mcrae should go back to driving school
29-01-2005, 11:19 PM
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ok its alrite for you to say martin cant drive?
why cos he may of done a silly move in the gumball? you never done a mistake????
thats abit judge mental, as you aint meet him, seen him drive. etc etc.
but you argue about a xr2, thats rite a fwd fiesta thats a race car, doin drag car times.
OPEN YOUR EYES> ITS BOLLOX, if its not, wheres the timin slips, oh no, thats rite its just a BUL_SH_T statement to try and sell the car, or known in the game as pub talk.
i dont know martin, nor think he's GOD, he's a bloke known for his cars and times.
why cos he may of done a silly move in the gumball? you never done a mistake????
thats abit judge mental, as you aint meet him, seen him drive. etc etc.
but you argue about a xr2, thats rite a fwd fiesta thats a race car, doin drag car times.
OPEN YOUR EYES> ITS BOLLOX, if its not, wheres the timin slips, oh no, thats rite its just a BUL_SH_T statement to try and sell the car, or known in the game as pub talk.
i dont know martin, nor think he's GOD, he's a bloke known for his cars and times.
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who said anything about MARTIN?????
but personally his car was a legend in its own right!
pugo shut the fuck up
you tell me whats sooo true about if you crash you have no talent???
perhaps you should open your eyes before opening your mouth!
29-01-2005, 11:28 PM
#159
I don't know Pugo or martin, BUT the bloke selling the fester is telling lies.
Why wage a war on Martin because he has pointed out some bullshiter on ebay regardless of how and what he drives.
0-60 in 3 secs needs a far greater power to weight ratio than a atmo 1660 fester with fwd can manage unless it weighs around 250KGs
Mark
Why wage a war on Martin because he has pointed out some bullshiter on ebay regardless of how and what he drives.
0-60 in 3 secs needs a far greater power to weight ratio than a atmo 1660 fester with fwd can manage unless it weighs around 250KGs
Mark