pugo

I cannot believe this thread and the we all know best syndrome, i don't personnally know either parties but lets look at the facts here the guy selling the car is obviously going to up the claims a bit. as its a sellers perogative,however he and the car has 2 championship wins under his belts and would beat any of you trackday warriors in his little fiesta, he is a racing driver show him the respect he deserves......
The you all jump on this guy hadlands back supporting him as if he is some sort of god??????????
the guys claims to fame are going fast in a straight line(hmmmm thats really difficult) and totalling an escort cosworth by pulling the most stupidist move i have ever seen at the gumball.....we are not talking talent here guys(like the first guy) we are just talking money and no sense of fear

yeah the car might not do 0-60 in 3 seconds i don't really care....but i do care that some egotistical trackday warrior with no real car racing championship wins or motorsport history can diss a real race car driver...and everybody thinks his cool



Pugo

Ps you build a car with a similar spec and race him for 20 laps round snett, then bet him £2k winner takes all....... he could probably use the money to further his career

andyescos

Pugos' got a point,

EvilFranky

Pugo - Why show him any respect? He's a fucking liar

There's hard sell and blatant lying.

If i bought that and had it officially timed 0-60 and it never once done it in sub 3 i'd be very very pissed off.

Stavros

Pugo- Wha you on about? ONLY thing peoples on about is that that blokes claims is BULLSHIT and it IS.



And why do people think just cause you race a car competitivley you GOOD? (and obv better than anyone who dont race a car in competition)
People in those minor championchips and all similar (or even higher profile ones) arnt paid to do so by the team, they either their own team funded by themselfs and sponsors or they even PAY to get a drive.

ANYONE with the appropriate race licence can enter, dont make them have the remotest bit of talent, even Steven Hawkins.

(Obv not relevant to this bullshiting XR2 driver as he IS a good driver on the track, but im just making a point from that Pugo said as everyone seems to think just cause you race a car in competition means you got deffo more talent, bollocks have you, for the reasons above...)

pugo

dude, how do you know he is, have you driven the car with the gear ratio's he drove it with, do you know how hard it revs, do you know anything at all about the car

and.......i have seen a 900cc mini timed at 3.06 seconds to 60 built by a bloke in his shed!! so only believe or disbelieve once you know the facts.....if you don't keep an open mind

Pugo

pugo

and that sums up the narrow mindness of a bloke that has never raced competitivly

DUDE.......its called RACE CRAFT and you won't learn it driving with a load of plebs on a saturday afternoon

Fiecos Dan

set him straight martin!!

ok its a well worked race car,

but at its best 1/4 in mid 12's, 0-60 in mid 4's.

by statin those times, makes you wonder wot is true about spec and the rest the bloke has sed.

S2martin

Well said mate,
The guy is an actual race driver and not a rich fella who can afford to build what he likes drive like a cooont, crash it break his mates back then come home and build a new one and every body thinks your the don this fella wins a championship and gets emails saying he is a coont woo hoo hats off to you mr man

Martin

Mul@AMS

Has he replied yet martooooon

EvilFranky

I still fail to see how because this guy races his car round a track has anything to do with what MartinH said???

He had a go cos he's talking shite.

And regardless as to who he is or what he does, I for one don't have any respect for people who are blatant liars

pugo

how do you know he is lying

and "because martin said so or because he just is" isn't a valid answer

if somebody said to me that a saff cossie could do over 200mph in a mile and a half 5years ago, i would of told them to sell me a gram of what they were snorting!!

so how do you base your proof of the blokes lies???????????

and lets face it, if it does do it this martinH will tell him it didn't because

a) he used nitrous
b) the bloke changed the rules which are unchangeable
c)or somethin else




start thinking outside the box , dude

Mul@AMS

Just cuse you cant build a sub 3 second car

PS you think he broke porkies back on purpose you twat

PPS Yes he IS the don

S2martin

Man your as stupid as you are ugly

the move he done when smashing his motor was done on purpose so yes he did break it on purpose, and what you don't seem to understand cock smoker is that everybody understands the "how fast can you afford to go" statement so yes i could build a 3 second car but could i afford to build a 3 second car is a different question.
You say he is the don i don't know the guy but emailing a race driver who has won a championship and tell him he is a liar is not a don thing to do mate you can't buy class as they say
Martin
p.s i can afford my cosworth matey looked like you couldn't

pugo

top statement

Pugo

Stavros

You lovers of this guy dont get it.

Its a fast track car, hes a good driver, NOBODY is claiming either of them to be false.

But the point is what hes saying abut the 0-60 and 1/4mile is LIES not small one either, HUGE whopper of lies.

And if you cant see that you unbelivably thick

essexrsturbo

pugo and S2 martin ive got a great big spoon here that you can eat that blokes arsehole out with you want..
no1's saying that the blokes not a good driver as he most proberly is but wot everyone is saying is that car cannot do a sub 3 second 0-60!
and for you to criticise martins car building qualitys, list the amount of cossies that have come close to beating his times (regardless of money)

couldnt be bother to reply to this thread but got bored

pugo

and as i said earlier................how do you know???????
do you know the weight of the car??? do you know the exact power output????do you know the torque the engines developing??? do you know the tyre grade or wheel size???????? do you know the gearing he is using????????

the thing is mate, you are guessing

where i have an open mind, i am not saying he can but then i am not calling him a fooookin big whoopass LIAR

by making a judgement with absofookinlutly no idea of the facts then surely it doesn't come down to whether your thick or not

lets look at it in a different way

Rods saff for example (i apoligise to keep bringing this car into nearly every debate, but i am so fookin impressed with it)
if he turned to you in a pub and said "it can do 230 mph" you would say "bollox, bring it to brunters"
now you would walk away from that pub thinking this bloke is full of shit and obviously very drunk
what about if he was going to do it on a 15 mile straight in the states and altered the gearing??????????
you answered and judged without knowing all the facts....now think how foolish you will look the next week down the pub when the bloke says...see, i told u so

now, please before you start firing from the hip and calling all those that don't see it the way you do 'thick'

what info have you based your argument on
and as said before ' because martin told me or because he is just lying'
doesn't count

Pugo

pugo

i never criticised his car building quality

please, if your bored at least read the thread before posting

Rods
all of the cosworth powered f1 cars from the 70's and 80's
all of the blokes from rallycross
basically all those that can be bothered


i don't think there is any need for that mate

and i am certainly not taking it from a bloke that can't even keep a beantin on the tarmac

Pugo

essexrsturbo

rods cant match them times (except for top speed) and the rest are professional race teams

anyway i dont no wots making you think he can do these times?

Stavros

If i knew Rods cars spec, as i know that cars spec, id know itd be capable of 200+ with no bother, as i know cars and i know whats capable of what, you clearly dont if you think those times hes claiming is even remotley achivable.

That car is a FWD XR2 running a full race 1600cc CVH on twin carbs, and would be well under 200bhp, FACT.

Its running no wider than 205 wide slicks FACT.

It weighs over 600kg FACT.

All the guestimates there were WELL optimistic- In reality id say 160bhp, 195wide slicks, 650kg.

But even with my VERY optimistic 1st examples there no way on gods earth it can do a sub3sec 0-60 and a mid 11 1/4mile.

Its got total blind guessing, its looking at the facts and estimating, and theres enough fact there for anyone with any experience to KNOW thats total and utter shite what hes claiming.

The way you making out like its possible makes all your arguments almost dismissable as its showing you know feck all.

You obviously have NO idea how difficult it is to make a FWD car do those times, roadlegal or not, and while running a n/a 1600 CVH its literally a joke you thinking that.

You CLEARLY underestimate me if you think anything i say has ANYTHING to do with martin or anybody on here, i say things cause they FACT, thru experience and knowlege, somthing you obv havent got if you think his standing start times have any credibility at all.

I mean even if your REALLY thick (dont answer that ) youd of seen performance figures from other serious cars, for example the McLaren F1 road car, 60 in 3.2 and 11.2 quarter, how does that car manage to be slower to 60 and only slightly faster to 1/4mile even tho it has masses and masses more grip than a FWD on 205wide slicks ever could have, 5 times the power, and barely any lighter?

Or sunnys fiesta? Wow, you REALLY belive Sunny was sooooo thick he has made his car well over 500bhp, totally stripped, mad transmission, and countless other mods to help its straight line performance when he couldve murdered his times by just spending a few grand on a full race n/a HT Racing engine and put it in a stripped out XR2? NO.

Please dont me so stupid

pugo

only because he hasn't tried, he certainly has the power, now he just needs the grip!!!


pugo

essexrsturbo

ive got a few vids on my comp of a cossie doin a 10.7 1/4 mile, if you want me to send it to ya and you still tell me that that little xr2 can do the 1/4 in anywhere near that time you need ya head checking out.

pugo

so hang on, your contradicting yoursel here a bit, first off there all facts and then there guestimates

so what are they?????????
have you read this thread in its entirety?????????

do you know how i saw it.........it was because i built the engine for it
so whats your claim to fame matey
my engines
currently hold
the OE750cc hydro waterspeed record across windermere
have won 4 rounds in british 100cc kart championships
have won 1 250n british kart championship round
have top 6'd numerous times in 250 proddy races(thats m/bikes)
designed and built numerous crankshafts for stan stephens and TTC in the late 80's for there drag bikes

I have built numerous FF engines
and several formula first engines

you have done what exactly.......built an engine for a mate...read lots of ford mags and been to a few shows.....and now you know it all(this bit I AM guessing,but no doubt you will enlighten me with your CV)

as i said earlier before you judge anything/anybody........get the facts first

Pugo

pugo

you still haven't read the thread have you, i am not saying it can do it nor am i saying it can't, i am saying i cannot........oh fook it i give up....you lot are just hard work

this bit is from my first post

please read my first post before arguing on it

Pugo

Stavros

Its a FACT its gong to be under those times/powers/weights. Actual numbers are guestimates. Maybe should read my post properly.

Either way, the claims of sub3 to 60 and 11.5 1/4 are laughable for that cars spec.

This mini your on about? FWD still yea? What timing gear was used?

Track speed and standing start speed are TOTALLY different and what makes cars good at one often makes them worse at the other.

The times are beyond driving talent and into the realms of impossibility for a car of that spec.

Your not racing against others like he does so well in, hed be racing against time, and thats a different ballgame.

He obv knew he was talking shite or hed taken Martin up on the 2k bet as it wouldnt cost him a penny.

Just out of interest, here the Oz FWD drag records...
http://www.fullboost.com.au/records.php?class=11

Notice the cars and the spec...

Like say, the Murphy Racing Developments Pulsar...





Stripped to hell, wide as hell drag slicks that crease when launching (track slicks dont, hard sidewalls, they just spin up rather than crease so far less grip), and over 400bhp, and still only 11.5 from a pro drag car rather than somthing thats setup for a circuit wihich is a totally different ballgame...

Even on HUGE drag slicks they getting 1.9 60fts, to achive a sub3 to 60 like your boy claims youd need a 1.6 or better, NO CHANCE
And the MRD car had a 127mph terminal speed to hit 11.5 even with an amazing launch that that fiesta could never achive, so to get down the strip with that terminal speed youd need a good 400bhp per ton, and the fester would need same or higher, so once again, NO CHANCE.

Im not arguing for fun, im arguing as i know whats possible and whats not

pugo

datron timing gear and RWD

he doesn't say anywhere that he didn't fit 365 drag front tyres and short circuit gearing for the 0-60 run did he, as he could of and you just don't know
or that he geared it right to do his 11.5 1/4

have you spoke to the bloke?????????? because unless you do you will never know how he (if he did) achieve it

and if you indeed read my first posting you will see that personnally i don't care if he did or didn't...it just pi$$es me off that without knowing the facts like how he achieved it.....i cannot see how you can all call the bloke a liar.

I saw how you reacted when phil called you a liar on here about your alledged involvement with the opposite sex....wasn't nice was it???

did he have all the facts or was he just judging you without knowing you?????

starting to see a similarity here ?????????


and maybe the bloke can't be arsed with the 2k, after all ,a bloke emails u from ebay calling you a twat and all u want to do is sell a car, yep that would be incentive enough for a bloke that races every other weekend, probably cost him more than that to run the car for the day

Pugo

pugo

just one other point....not wanting to go on BUT

how do you know the car is still FWD??????????????????where does it say in the ad its front wheel drive??where does it say its not a short stroke n/a cossie engine in it or are you still guessing the spec

oh i know, because it looks like an xr2 it must be FWD and have a CVH lump in it.....but your not guessing are you!!!!!!!!!

get the facts before committing yourself dude
Pugo

Stavros

RWD Mini-
Well that explains the mini totally then. I wouldnt argue with that, deffo possible as i dont know any firm details on the car that would make it impossible.

The Fester-
Fact is, i dont care how wide the tyres were, and how perfect the gearing is, its physicly not possible with that weight car and that power, the 1/4mile especially, the 0-60 would "maybe" be possible with the perfect gearing and some really stupid slicks, but even thats incredibly doubful at with the power hed have its not enough, itd just bog down.
Incredible launches only works if you got the power/torque to turn enourmous grip into forward motion, and a full race n/a 1600 CVH hasnt, not even in the lightest of Fiesta shells.

The phil attempted pisstake is a piss poor comparision really as there was no facts for the wank he was trying to say, and untold amounts of proof saying otherwise, wheras this one there is lots of facts about the car, the only things we dont know about the car that would show otherwise to what im saying are in the realms of impossibility.

I could claim to be the son of god, hell, there no proof to say im 100% not (tho there is almost all the facts in this festers case), but even if i was called Jesus H Christ, would you belive me?

Fook me, im off, gone 3am, i gotta be up at 7 and out house by 9

Feel free to do some snidey comment as you know il be gone now so you know i cant retaliate like people always do (you know how it goes, knife, back, stab, internet, coward, etc )

Steve200+

What will mine do then 0-60 ?

4wd Mk1 Golf, 2l Turbo circa 750/800 kilos, perhaps 350bhp on a good day. 8" rims on 225 Pirellis. It's in bits right now being fettled, but I could strap it together and run if anyone doubts.

I expect sub 4s-60 from it based on power/weight/traction, I just don't see how that can be beaten by a 1600. Enlighten me. Genuinely..

pugo

your not getting this are you

i would certainly not stand up, point the finger and scream "LIAR" until i found out for sure

unlike some people on here


dude, i don't do snidey, i don't do knife,back,stab.....especially with abloke thats only gonna get 4hrs sleep



Pugo

pugo

how the fook should i know!!!!!!!!!!
after all you don't even know what power your engines going to make
what gearing in box, what diff ratios, what split front to rear, lsd gripper etc, driver experiance in launching, tyres, actual weight etc

however, you say 4's.....well the way it seems to work on here is you say a figure and with next to no info they all call you a LIAR then you have to stump up 2K to prove them wrong but before this happens they all cheer the first bloke to call you a LIAR!!!!!!


Me, i would prefer to come with you once the cars ready, watch you launch it, see how the car performs and then with all the info to hand and some base times put in ,then i would hazard a guess to what you could get the car down to!!!!!

its called proffesionalism!!!!

pugo

PS sorry ITSMEAGAIN i just couldn't help myself

RWD_cossie_wil

iTrader: (9)

sorry but what a load of bollox , the ONLY POINT is the bloke is BULLSHITTING in his ADVERT his car (which is illegal ), the bit pugo wrote about it might have been done on mega short gearing/slicks is irrelavent, bit like saying a standard saff COULD do 201.8 MPH with the "top speed" engine fitted ,as the advert DOES NOT mention any other parts included to make the car perform like that.

Keith B

Was it Porkie that said he follows the championship this car is in? So he'll know if its FWD or RWD. The ad says it has a HT racing 1660cc engine - which is HT racing's std overbore for a CVH - and as I said earlier they dont make much more than 165bhp.
Whats the story Porkie FWD or RWD? - personally I'll bet its not RWD and doesnt do 60 in under 5 secs

Keith B

OK as no one is up at this time of the morning and I hate argmentitive bell ends like pugo I looked up the 2003 TOYO regulations - I'd like to draw your attention to regulation 5.4.4, 5.4.6 and 5.5 - which basically says its an XR2 and has to run FWD and only an over bored CVH.
So now common sense has been surfaced again we're back to the original issue of 0-60 in under 3 secs. If per se the car was pushed off a cliff then under the fall of gravity it would reach 60mph in 2.719 seconds - so there we have it. it is indeed capable of the claim - if the drop was long enough (please let it be!) then it'd do the standing 1/4 in under 9.03 seconds - neglecting the drag that bean tin has got
Pugo - try doing your research before mouthing off.

Keith B

When I sell my car I'm going to claim 60 in under 3 seconds with my special 'Newton' modification.

Ratty

iTrader: (1)

Its FWD read the regulations

Section 5.6 and 5.9 and 5.7.3

http://www.rscc.co.uk/race%20regs%202003.pdf

Race results for 2003 (R1 = Round 1) etc

R1 Rover V8
R2 205 Gti
R3 Mitsubishi Starion Turbo
R4 Rover SD1
R5 Peugeot 205 GTi
R6 Rover SD1
R7 205 Gti
R8 205 Gti
R9 Talbot Lotus
R10 Mitsubishi Starion Turbo
R11 BMW E28 M5
R12 205 Gti

Note the lack of any wins by a Fiesta (I am aware that points totals can give a class win etc)

But his claim "It is the current 2003 TOYO modified production saloon championship winning car" you'd expect it to win a round

Race results

http://www.rscc.co.uk/race%20results%202003.htm

RSCosworth

it can do 0-60 in less than three seconds for real!





if you drop it from an airplane

Billabong

Oliver ALLEN - Class D

2nd
2nd
2nd
2nd
1st
1st
2nd
1st
1st
1st
1st
2nd

Car was Class D champion in 2003

cossiecrew

S2martinaccidents happen you twat like anyone would want to total his car and proper injure a mate you realy are a fucking twat

Martin-Hadland

iTrader: (2)

very funny... so its a sellers perogative to up the claims a bit?

so in the future if i buy a next house and its advertised with 10 acres of land and after buying it ( for the land ) i find its only 3 acres, that's ok is it?

imagine a young lad who's been left some dosh and he decides to buy that fiesta to compete in a 0-60 competition and then finds it doesn't produce the goods.... that would be ok would it.

his car does not do the claimed figures.. simple is simple as! otherwise he would have took my cash.