Chip

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As ive mentioned already, there would be NO unemployment benefit.
You can either choose to find a job, or the state will find you one, or you can choose to do neither and starve to death.

mrjenrst

exactly, take away the stay at home benefit and make them earn there dole! And i'm sure the tax credits should be paid in coupon's not cash. You earn cash

Psycho Warren

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cushty lifestyle on dole yes.. they have plenty of sex education these days and certainly massively more than historically so sex ed is better than ever before.

the shits do it deliberately. its no accident.

Chip

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They certainly RISK pregnancy deliberately, wether they actually deliberately get pregnant though is a slightly diffent concept and impossible to comment on really as its so individual.

mrjenrst

that's what i was getting at, you can be on the dole but you will work for it and earn 1.89 an hour or you will get a job, your choice

JjCoDeX75

Not sure it works like that, fella - the issue is that you will be restricting a number of fit and well people from having kids (albeit for potentially justifiable reasons). There is no guarantee that Nature will find a new balance that suits your proposals!

Another aside - apparently one far eastern country (dont know which one - cant remember -dont know if they implemented it either) identified that sucessful people were not making time to have children, particluarly intelligent businesswomen. Furthermore, they noted that less successful members of their community were finding time to have a good deal of children. They were of the opinion that this needed to be redressed. they came up with a quite interesting soliution to this. they offered to pay a large sum of money (say Ł10,000) to the poorer families to be voluntarily sterilised, and also offered a similar amount of money to the busnesswomen to start a family!

The point above is that Chip is not the first evil genius to consider manipulation of the reproduction of the species!

JJ

Chip

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Goverment jobs will be well paid, and I dont believe there will be a big stigma to them either, lots of people will have them, and the good thing about all government jobs is they will be worthwhile as they will all be designed to benefit the country as a whole, so people will know they are doing something that is useful

Chip

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What there IS a guarentee of is that nature has totally failed to prevent the devolution occuring under the current system.
As I have mentioned already, im not aiming for some unrealistic perfection, just a massive improvement, there will be flaws and mistakes as that is human nature, but they will be less negatively impactful than what we have currently with chav sluts popping out unwanted kids left right and centre all paid for on benefit and not brought up properly.



Interesting, but not something that I feel will be needed in the new system, the removal of children being a right, and becoming a priveledge will IMHO help people to appreciate what a wonderful thing having a child is, so I believe that most (again im not aiming for perfect in one step, its not realistic and attempting to do so will hinder progress) people eligible for children will realise how fortunate they are and want to take advantage of the fact. IF they dont wish to though, that is fine too, no one is going to be forced to have children they dont want.



The system isnt about evil, the system is about good.

JjCoDeX75

Interesting topic, albeit not the original one!

I must admit that I find it difficult to argue completely vehemently with you on this subject, because I share your view that I believe that having children should not be an automatic right. too many people seem to abuse this right, and not just in the search of benefits! (I know several couples that have had kids in an attempt to patch up shaky relationships - seriously!!!!).

With the above said, the point I was trying to make is that these things no matter how well intended can have unforseen and undesirable consequences. I suspect that it may not go as swimingly as your idealism suggests.

I only say this to avoid dissapointment if you get into power!

JJ

Fiddy

But unfortunately chipster, your logic will never be implemented, because the people in power, the politicians and there freinds, are never going to relinquish power to the likes of you, i, and the rest of joe public, because what is best for us, isnt best for them. its most defiantly a case of, 'us and them, and have's, and have not's'

Psycho Warren

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fiddy thats why chip will need ex forces nutjobs like me to carry out the dirty work paving the way for a military ku prior to installing chips government

Chip

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Indeed, instead of having a loving dictator who cares about the country, we are doomed to always get the utter rubbish that a modern democracy GUARENTEES you end up with. Its not possible to get to be the candidate for Labour or the Tories or the Lib Dems without being a selfish, manipulative, corrupt, lieing, "jobs for the boys" lunatic in the first place, so we will never get to vote for someone honest and transparent in the first place, and lets face it even if the british electorate were given the choice of such a person, they'd pick the saachi and saachi backed smary git like tony blair anyway.

Alan_D

As I've already said in the muppet room, legalise them all. Let adults be free to buy drugs from companies in UK shops. There should be no benefits, no taxpayer provided substitutes, and harsh penalties for committing related crimes. No substitutes in jail either, so if you end up in there you'll have to go cold turkey straight away.

Unfortunately we live in a democracy, so that kind of thing (AKA freedom of choice/personal responsibility) would never happen.

mrjenrst

sounds good, what's the pay and hours as i'm interested

Fiddy

Chip and warren, sounds better than blair and brown, and cameron and clegg, you would get my vote

STAFFY OWNER

Just looking back over this thread and another drugs related thread in the muppet room https://passionford.com/forum/muppet...ast-night.html and it's interesting that none of the drug users seem to have an opinion on whether drugs are legalised.

mrjenrst

cos they'll still buy them mate. Doesnt make any difference who off. I only smoke weed now and tbh if i could buy it over the counter i would. But the class a's wont be legal so it's neither here nor there