The british government are giving pakistan £10million to help with the floods
#321
Advanced PassionFord User
The fund raising is to raise money to make his last few months more pleasant as he has terminal illness.
I think its brilliant that in the uk we have people and charities who want to do this sort of thing for kids like the one in question.
I also think that its good the government provide the basic life essentials we all need if we dont have the means to provide them ourselves.
Extending that on a very limited basis in the short term, to extend past our borders is a good example of humanitarian kindness.
I fail to see how that is a point you cant see TBH
I think its brilliant that in the uk we have people and charities who want to do this sort of thing for kids like the one in question.
I also think that its good the government provide the basic life essentials we all need if we dont have the means to provide them ourselves.
Extending that on a very limited basis in the short term, to extend past our borders is a good example of humanitarian kindness.
I fail to see how that is a point you cant see TBH
It should be down to their govement to sort it out chip can you not take off your rose tinted glasses for 5 mins and haver a proper look at it? no iguess not, what chip says must be right.
I however disagree with your bleeding heart views
#322
Carbon Crazy
iTrader: (5)
some down and out in a shitty bedsit struggling on JSA probably feels pretty poor but compared to the average person in the world he is likely to be pretty wealthy.
thread getting out of hand????????, everytime i come on the forum theres asian this paki that and nothing gets done about, its pretty clear that asians or black people always get abused on here and once everyone has they say and all stupid remarks been read then you guys decide to shut it down!!! get it sorted fella !!!!!!!
#323
*** Sierra RS Custard ***
iTrader: (3)
Everytime someone has mentioned where will the money go in this thread I have said that some will be missapropriated so you must have me confused with someone else when you talk about the rose tinted spectacles, im well aware it will be only a portion that gets to the truely needy, but its still worth sending for that portion to be useful.
No it wont fix the problem, but SOME people will be helped.
No it wont fix the problem, but SOME people will be helped.
#324
PF's Guitar God!!!
However, if we turn the tables. Now i'm saying this as if we were a country who are less fortunate, we flood and people are dying, Another country gives us money to help. You think they're countries people are going to be happy about it? At the same time, we wouldn't be complaining would we?
#325
Advanced PassionFord User
Everytime someone has mentioned where will the money go in this thread I have said that some will be missapropriated so you must have me confused with someone else when you talk about the rose tinted spectacles, im well aware it will be only a portion that gets to the truely needy, but its still worth sending for that portion to be useful.
No it wont fix the problem, but SOME people will be helped.
No it wont fix the problem, but SOME people will be helped.
please tell me what you think the 10 mill will do ?
#327
Advanced PassionFord User
Alas the vast majority will be creamed off by the corrupt,and most of the rest will go in adminastration of the fun, make no mistake about it a lot of people will get rich from the fund, black market etc.
#329
Advanced PassionFord User
The fact that it would be handled by uk agencies does make one ounce of differasnce to the out come im afraid to say, but hey ho never mind eh
#331
Advanced PassionFord User
There you go again. Nobody is saying fuck everyone else. Some of us are just saying focus on the causes at home that could do some serious good with the money.
By the way chip, if you have an uncomfortable sensation around about where your arse crack starts you might find that it's Escy's nose probing your bum hole.
By the way chip, if you have an uncomfortable sensation around about where your arse crack starts you might find that it's Escy's nose probing your bum hole.
As for me being up Chips arse, I was the 1st one to go agaisnt the general flow of shite on this thread and say my point. I do agree with most of what he's saying also.
#332
Advanced PassionFord User
You say nobody is saying fuck everyone else? I've made a few quotes. It's pretty obvious that lots of other people have the same sentiments as these idiots but put it in a more eloquent way so i've not included those. Pretty sad how narrow minded people are.
As for me being up Chips arse, I was the 1st one to go agaisnt the general flow of shite on this thread and say my point. I do agree with most of what he's saying also.
As for me being up Chips arse, I was the 1st one to go agaisnt the general flow of shite on this thread and say my point. I do agree with most of what he's saying also.
But i still dont think we shouldbe sending the money
#334
Advanced PassionFord User
#335
PassionFord Post Whore!!
i cant believe how this has turned into a thred about race!
utterly pointless imo, why cant people accept it's nothing to do with colour of skin.
if i dont agree with sending money to foreign country's then i'm a rasict, sorry but it's ALMOST laughable but it's more pathetic!!!
utterly pointless imo, why cant people accept it's nothing to do with colour of skin.
if i dont agree with sending money to foreign country's then i'm a rasict, sorry but it's ALMOST laughable but it's more pathetic!!!
#337
baseball and apple pie
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: NEW england
Posts: 102
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
-LOL at this entire thread.
-Not quite, being a recipient of US economic aid, Pakistan will receive approximately $1.3US billion for 2010. 25% of the military is subsidized by the US government.
-That's just THIS year, before the flooding. Another $50US million has been approved for emergency relief. Between 2002-2010, Pakistan received approximately $18US billion in military and economic aid from the United States. In February, the Obama administration requested an additional $3US billion in aid, for a total of $20.7 USbillion.
-"WE" have spent the money and got zero results at winning the hearts and minds....they still hate us. That BILLIONS, with a capital "B" BTW.
-That's just THIS year, before the flooding. Another $50US million has been approved for emergency relief. Between 2002-2010, Pakistan received approximately $18US billion in military and economic aid from the United States. In February, the Obama administration requested an additional $3US billion in aid, for a total of $20.7 USbillion.
-"WE" have spent the money and got zero results at winning the hearts and minds....they still hate us. That BILLIONS, with a capital "B" BTW.
#338
*** Sierra RS Custard ***
iTrader: (3)
-LOL at this entire thread.
-Not quite, being a recipient of US economic aid, Pakistan will receive approximately $1.3US billion for 2010. 25% of the military is subsidized by the US government.
-That's just THIS year, before the flooding. Another $50US million has been approved for emergency relief. Between 2002-2010, Pakistan received approximately $18US billion in military and economic aid from the United States. In February, the Obama administration requested an additional $3US billion in aid, for a total of $20.7 USbillion.
-"WE" have spent the money and got zero results at winning the hearts and minds....they still hate us. That BILLIONS, with a capital "B" BTW.
-Not quite, being a recipient of US economic aid, Pakistan will receive approximately $1.3US billion for 2010. 25% of the military is subsidized by the US government.
-That's just THIS year, before the flooding. Another $50US million has been approved for emergency relief. Between 2002-2010, Pakistan received approximately $18US billion in military and economic aid from the United States. In February, the Obama administration requested an additional $3US billion in aid, for a total of $20.7 USbillion.
-"WE" have spent the money and got zero results at winning the hearts and minds....they still hate us. That BILLIONS, with a capital "B" BTW.
Lol @ another one missing the point.
I wasnt saying it will do any good, i was saying it will not do harm, like I said, if it makes NO difference, thats less difference than all the troops make.
0 is a bigger number than -4 is
#339
PassionFord Post Whore!!
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Exeter
Posts: 3,744
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I must confess that I started writing this yesterday, and then didn't get round to finishing it, so if it is woefully out of date, my apologies!
I wanted to pick up on the point made by some that the feeling was that the favour would not be returned if UK was flooded in a similar way.
Interestingly, I have been involved in the reinstatement works from two significant flood incidents in this country relatively recently, firstly the Thatcham & Gloucester Floods from a couple of years ago, and also the Boscastle floods from further back.
The most significant issue in this country is one of inconvenience (and believe me, the moaning that I heard over the matter of timing was significant, and in fairness in some cases, not unjustified!).
Notwithstanding the fact that neither flood even began to approach the scale of the disaster currently occuring in Pakistan, almost every house in this country was fully insured for the damage that was caused, and as a consequence, each householder had their property returned to the pre-incident condition (or in most cases significantly improved), and their damaged/ lost belongings replaced.
In less rich countries (take Haiti for example), the property owners have no such insurance policy. As such, when they lose their property and belongings - it is gone.
Now in fairness, I dont know the situation in this regard in Pakistan, but I suspect strongly that there will be a significant number of uninsured losses, which will leave many peoples lives wrecked well beyond the incident itself, even disregarding the significant number of people that have lost their lives.
For the above, I feel that there can be no reasonable objection to the frankly very small amount of money that has been offered on our behalf by our government.
I wanted to pick up on the point made by some that the feeling was that the favour would not be returned if UK was flooded in a similar way.
Interestingly, I have been involved in the reinstatement works from two significant flood incidents in this country relatively recently, firstly the Thatcham & Gloucester Floods from a couple of years ago, and also the Boscastle floods from further back.
The most significant issue in this country is one of inconvenience (and believe me, the moaning that I heard over the matter of timing was significant, and in fairness in some cases, not unjustified!).
Notwithstanding the fact that neither flood even began to approach the scale of the disaster currently occuring in Pakistan, almost every house in this country was fully insured for the damage that was caused, and as a consequence, each householder had their property returned to the pre-incident condition (or in most cases significantly improved), and their damaged/ lost belongings replaced.
In less rich countries (take Haiti for example), the property owners have no such insurance policy. As such, when they lose their property and belongings - it is gone.
Now in fairness, I dont know the situation in this regard in Pakistan, but I suspect strongly that there will be a significant number of uninsured losses, which will leave many peoples lives wrecked well beyond the incident itself, even disregarding the significant number of people that have lost their lives.
For the above, I feel that there can be no reasonable objection to the frankly very small amount of money that has been offered on our behalf by our government.
#340
baseball and apple pie
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: NEW england
Posts: 102
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
-I understand and get YOUR point. My point being, no matter how much you give and whomever its given too.....they're just as ungrateful as the next recipient. It to be expected and their hands are always out. IE: Cuba, in 1950? the US stopped providing economic aid to Cuba, to this day we're no longer friends because of it. 90 miles off our coast.... No trade, no financial aid....now look at that country's current economic situation. If sanctions were lifted today....the line would be 90 miles long to the Florida coast.
Last edited by american; 04-08-2010 at 09:35 AM.
#341
*** Sierra RS Custard ***
iTrader: (3)
-I understand and get YOUR point. My point being, no matter how much you give and whomever its given too.....they're just as ungrateful as the next recipient. It to be expected and their hands are always out. IE: Cuba, in 1950? the US stopped providing economic aid to Cuba, to this day we're no longer friends because of it. 90 miles off our coast.... No trade, no financial aid....now look at that country's current economic situation. If sanctions were lifted today....the line would be 90 miles long to the Florida coast.
#342
baseball and apple pie
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: NEW england
Posts: 102
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
#343
*** Sierra RS Custard ***
iTrader: (3)
(a problem for both our countries not just yours)
Last edited by Chip; 04-08-2010 at 10:00 AM.
#344
baseball and apple pie
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: NEW england
Posts: 102
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
-Again, since 1947....we have provided over $50 BILLION in aid. Economic and Military aid. I guess you could say that without our money, Pakistan would not have nuclear weapons that keep India from invading. YOUR India.
#346
Advanced PassionFord User
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: dont know anymore!!!!
Posts: 1,761
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ho-efully the flood have washed the taliban away as thats the biggest danger to pakistan not the flooding!!!, and their government seem powerless to stop them without our help so we plow money in there which is money well spent because the taliban with nukes is not going to end with a happy ending!!!
#347
*** Sierra RS Custard ***
iTrader: (3)
Ho-efully the flood have washed the taliban away as thats the biggest danger to pakistan not the flooding!!!, and their government seem powerless to stop them without our help so we plow money in there which is money well spent because the taliban with nukes is not going to end with a happy ending!!!
Difficult business politics, I wouldnt fancy it!
Last edited by Chip; 04-08-2010 at 10:23 AM.
#348
BANNED
BANNED
lets splash on our own british youth hey, 10 mill well spent
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-10865629
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-10865629
#350
Did Someone Mention TUV
iTrader: (1)
I expect 10 million to go un-noticed in terms of debt to this country. As has already been mentioned it is 20p per person who pays tax who will contribute to this aid. Hardly anything for people to get all upset about really is it This country does look after its own in many ways
#351
*** Sierra RS Custard ***
iTrader: (3)
Rich, I assume the state funded support your lovely mrs got during birth recently was up to standard?
Weird, you would think such things didnt exist in this country from reading this thread, its amazing how many things some people take for granted and dont appreciate.
Weird, you would think such things didnt exist in this country from reading this thread, its amazing how many things some people take for granted and dont appreciate.
#353
*** Sierra RS Custard ***
iTrader: (3)
My god, what a cock you are, the argument in this thread is that taxpayers money goes into nothing for the UK people, the NHS is a perfect example of a massive amount of taxpayer money going to UK people to provide a free to use service of great value.
#354
PassionFord Post Whore!!
Your not charged to get hospital/medical care, tax payer's still pay for it thus making it not free. But if your talking about how it's not like private medical insurance that you pay for but not get charged when you use it.
Then erm well it's the same it was set up so everybody get's the same level of treatment, and saying it's free just doesnt make sense. Why the comment's about been a cock chip? Can you not handle someone having different view's/priority's to you?
#355
*** Sierra RS Custard ***
iTrader: (3)
Its free to use, because people dont pay when they use it.
Even if you are a non tax payer, you still get to use it, the government pays out of a central budget to set it up for everyone, and then we all use it free of charge, its very simple.
Of course its paid for by tax revenue, EVERYTHING that the government does ultimately comes back to tax revenue as that is where the governments money comes from in the first place, but the NHS is an example of one of the things they pay for from that pot which totally contradicts the point that many idiots on this thread are making that they pay into tax and get nothing back, which simply isnt true at all, one of the things they get back is use of the NHS.
Just to try and simplify the point so that even you can understand it:
Idiot in thread : we pay tax and get nothing back
Chip : one of the things your tax pays for is the nhs that you get use of
Is that simple enough for you to understand now?
Even if you are a non tax payer, you still get to use it, the government pays out of a central budget to set it up for everyone, and then we all use it free of charge, its very simple.
Of course its paid for by tax revenue, EVERYTHING that the government does ultimately comes back to tax revenue as that is where the governments money comes from in the first place, but the NHS is an example of one of the things they pay for from that pot which totally contradicts the point that many idiots on this thread are making that they pay into tax and get nothing back, which simply isnt true at all, one of the things they get back is use of the NHS.
Just to try and simplify the point so that even you can understand it:
Idiot in thread : we pay tax and get nothing back
Chip : one of the things your tax pays for is the nhs that you get use of
Is that simple enough for you to understand now?
#356
Did Someone Mention TUV
iTrader: (1)
The best support available my friend. She got to use the new birthing suite at St Heleir Hospital in Carshalton. Our own room with a birthing couch and water birth facilities (she didnt opt for that). 2 midwives, complete after care with helath visitors for her and Harrison. Brilliant support imo. But no it doesnt exist mate, its all in my head
#357
*** Sierra RS Custard ***
iTrader: (3)
The best support available my friend. She got to use the new birthing suite at St Heleir Hospital in Carshalton. Our own room with a birthing couch and water birth facilities (she didnt opt for that). 2 midwives, complete after care with helath visitors for her and Harrison. Brilliant support imo. But no it doesnt exist mate, its all in my head
#358
PassionFord Post Whore!!
The best support available my friend. She got to use the new birthing suite at St Heleir Hospital in Carshalton. Our own room with a birthing couch and water birth facilities (she didnt opt for that). 2 midwives, complete after care with helath visitors for her and Harrison. Brilliant support imo. But no it doesnt exist mate, its all in my head
but who said the N.H.S didnt exist?
#360
*** Sierra RS Custard ***
iTrader: (3)
But I was actually referring more to the other people on this thread saying we pay into tax and get nothing back out, I cant be arsed to trawl through 9 pages to quote them though.
Last edited by Chip; 04-08-2010 at 12:34 PM.