Ebonycossie4x4

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As title really.

At the ripe old age of 27 i didn't really get to experience Maradonas best.

I dont remember it anyway...

Ive obviously seen highlights and the sort of goals but i don't feel i know enough about him.

Seems the more i look into it the more he comes across as just a cheat.

Obviously the hand of god and being banned twice for drug taking.

Whats the older generations views on this?

kitchy

im younger than you and yes he's cheated and done drugs etc but you cant argue that he certainly had some impressive skills

KSA-Cossie

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Terrific player but a cheating argie cunt lol

Sinbad

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He was a quality player that should of been smashed on the halfway line for that goal and Shilton should of come out like a man and not a big girls blouse for the hand of god goal.
Imagine how good Maradona could of been without drugs and his head on straight.

Pele is still the greatest footballer ever, played with a lace in the ball, wooden studs and you could get smashed and the ref would play on.

Ebonycossie4x4

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so its not the fact that he was off his head that helped him be the player he was?

Where does he compare to the likes of Pele or George Best?

Ebonycossie4x4

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I agree but for instance messi or christiano have impressive skills, Pace, fitness, Free kick ability, Great Shooting etc etc.

Why do people regard a cheat as a far better player than these people?

Sinbad

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You could not play that well off your head, but it might of been all the fame and attention that sent him nuts (look at Gazza).

I would go Pele 1 George Best 2 Maradona 3 but then todays footballers would have to be judged differently as the game has changed so much.

KSA-Cossie

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Exactly m8,as you now have the likes of messi etc.

opposite lock

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Just look at his first goal in that game, pure brilliance. He was truely awsome with the ball, passing exellent , goaly skills not bad either lol
i remember clearly that day showing my age,

mike
edit, Georgey Best was the best for me

Ebonycossie4x4

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ive seen the goal and i agree its a great run to score.

I just dont get why so many people rate him so highly, thats why im asking really as there must be a reason.

Would he even get in the barcelona team these days?

rabmc

A loove maradonna! my dad is football man played/managed and growing up he loved maradonna, always remember he would rave about him and still rates him as the best to this day. we always watch this clip. just sheer class! charisma the lot!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ2976_rR_s

Fiddy

One of the greatest players ever imho, regardless of the cheating and drug taking. if were basing our opinion of him on his football skills, you cant argue he was every bit as good as his reputation

Ryan_3

mate you cant compare different ages of football, u just cant, football changed

Sinbad

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Alot of people say George Best but he was a piss head, were Pele never got in any trouble and has been a great Ambassador for the game.

Messi is by far the best today but he could never do what he does in the 3 oldies days being quoted.

focus 4x4

No , the opportunity was there and he took it!

All part of the game ;o)

RobL

he was a cheat yes but he was one of the best
he virtually won argentina the 1986 by himself
he was addicted to cocaine since the early 80s,imagine how good he could of been with a clean living lifestyle

Ebonycossie4x4

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ok well maybe im wrong, Like the Maradona Vid.

I dont think you can argue with this though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FDYZ...eature=related

Ebonycossie4x4

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I agree but im not comparing the football im comparing the players.

IMO i think i would rather have Ronaldo in my team than Maradona.

As said possibly because i never experienced Maradona

RobL

ronaldo is great but he aint the best,messi is
maradona was head and shoulders the best of his time as was pele
this man is the best of my generation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIQAb...eature=related

vaughant

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Maradona was pure class,and it was the first goal that was hand of god.everyone cheats at some point,remember squeaky clean Gary lineker diving for the two penalties as England struggled to beat Cameroon?Henrys handball was just as blatant against Ireland and no offence to the English but you're always looking for excuses as to why you fail in major tournaments,usually on penalties.sadly for England,they don't have a good enough keeper and most of the team don't actually have any interest other than collecting their ridiculous wages from their club sides,the world/euro cups just seem a hinerence to them.yes,I knownl I'm welsh so I'll probably never even get to experience going to a major championship but I won't be supporting England just like you wouldn't support Wales although i think the heat will be too much for them really.they've got a cracking team on paper but I think if Rooney gets injured/ sent off they'll really struggle.last sixteen or quarters at best but if they get to the final I reckon they'll win!!

Ebonycossie4x4

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This thread has nothing to do with england, We have done that subject to death and already put you wales/scotland boys in your place.

I thought hand of god goal was first, I could be wrong though

Rab

Diego Maradonna was a footballing Genius. Sadly, he couldn't handle being so famous and went absolutely conkers!

His handball in 86 was outshadowed by the goal he scored a couple of minutes later.

He will always be a Hero in Argentina, and Scotland

johnandhissaffy

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id say 1st george best 2nd pele 3rd marco van basten 4th zinedine zidane 5th diego maradona then 6th cristano ronaldo

Ebonycossie4x4

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what about vinnie jones, you missed him out!

Rab

I'd put Baggio in there too. Probably after Zindane.

Ebonycossie4x4

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After losing his team the world cup lol.

Sinbad

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We invent a game and not one English player in your line up just goes to show we are not as good as we think.

johnandhissaffy

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the best english player was sir bobby chalton but rooney is doing well

skeg

In terms of ability Maradonna was right up there no doubt but his career is tarnished because he career is also up there with Marion Jones and Dwayne Chambers, Mutu, Bosnich for the wrong reasons and in many ways worse. He was a coke head caught out more than once. He was cheating his fellow pro's.
Yes. Couple of bits on here if you want a look.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argenti...arter-final%29


And wrongly. I was too young to remember but you can see what he did was much much worse than Henry. It wasn't a qualifier it was the quarter final of the world cup and he didn't just hand ball control it, he actually scored with it. Neither did he feel bad/sorry or ashamed like Henry or France did.

But still not a patch on the drug cheating though which some people glaze over because of the talent he had where as others have been ripped to bits.

Jon(M600BHP)

Maradona no1 for natural ability for me, try and find the vids of him playing keep ups when he was a kid (10 or 11 years old) or when people keep chucking things at him to keep up, golf ball, orange, Water bottle, remember seeing Lineker talking about playing against him for england and maradona was in a world 11 team(some sort of charity match) and he said maradona was warming up before the game by kicking a ball 20ft in the air again and again without moving from the centre spot, Every single player just stood on the pitch in awe watching Maradona, inc Platini who at the time was europes best

RobL

shit list tbh

pele
maradona
zidane
brazilian ronaldo
ryan giggs

Rab

I know. Poor bugger But lets not forget, Italy only made th 94 final because he was on fire!

Although, I bet all he remembers is that ball whalloping the Space Shuttle as it tried to fix the hubble space telescope

Rab

Agree completely Skeg. Much worse the Henry. How the linesman missed it I'll never know. That should have been a kit-kat ad....

But, you have to admit, his 2nd goal was pure class. If it had been against anyone but your own team I'm sure you would agree. He was a genuis, but will be remembered for being a drug snorting nutter and probably, a totally hopeless manager

But don't get me started on Henry..... As someone from an Irish background, that pissed me right off. Cheating cheese eating surrender monkey

Ebonycossie4x4

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what about that zito/ziko bloke then, was he then the greatest player ever according to some people.

Brazilian i think.

Rab

Paul Gasgcoine. Now there was a footballing genius!

Although, I really hate him for scoring such an amazing goal, against Scotland........ The bastard


And thinking about it, I should have put all my replys into one reply.

Ebonycossie4x4

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Im sorry there is no way ryan giggs or brazilian ronaldo are better than cristiano ronaldo or messi.

I think giggs is excellent and possibly most decorated player but them two just dont deserve to be in a top 5 list IMO.

Rab

The White Pele. Sadly for him, he was part of the Brazilian side that didn't really do much....

Ebonycossie4x4

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Once again a genius for how long?????

I think football can sometimes be like old cars, For instance i used to think my xr2 was so quick, And when i remember it now i think god it was a quick car with great handling et etc.

Then i drove one and its rubbish!...

skeg

I wouldn't put Maradona in my list because of the drug cheating although I can see on ability why some would, he went to Napoli and drove them to the Serie A title. Ronaldo though? He still has a lot to do, especially with country.


Good list, Luis Ronaldo is my favourite striker of all time I reckon, he was mint for PSV, Barcelona, Inter, Real (even when his big build went to fat) and Brazil.

Don't know about Giggs in an all time list though, obviously he kind of is and all players rate him highly, he's the most successful player in the world or one of up their with Portuguese keeper Victor Baia on trophies but Wales being Wales and no World cup appearance would cost him, sadly. To me he's still a footballing god though.

Rab

Again, his genius was overshadowed by his lunacy. Bit sad really, because when he was playing well he was brilliant. I don't think that things like that would happen now, as really amazing players are better looked after by their clubs with regards to drinking and drug taking problems. Some of the things that Gazza did were just fantastic.