sdk72

Hi all,

Bloody Mondeo tdci glow plug light started flashing and power loss happened on motorway. Its still drivable just feels like the turbo has gone - is this the case? if so why the flashing light?

Also - after looking through the forum there was no smoke at all no knocking at 3000 revs just a lack of power

any help / thoughts gratefully accepted !

Steve

Mr.T

what do you want? Its a mondeo


























Sorry. Can't help you

billybigspuds

will be injector coding or turbo actuator, depends on the fault code to be honest, they are the two very most common faults on the tdci, if its the turbo its a new one @ Ł400 plus fitting

Series1Dry

This happened to me. Stopped her and started her and been fine since. Was told it's an injector problem. Mine has started to get a slightly erratic tickover now too which could be related. This is my original thread on it . . . .

https://passionford.com/forum/genera...lp-please.html

billybigspuds

you need to get it code read but when the lights flashing, if your near sounthampton pop down and ill do it for free for ya

vaughant

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Key on,off quick usually cures it,again get fault code read and see what's what.most places charge Ł30-40 but anyone with an obd2 reader can do it,I bought my mac tools one for Ł90,apart from my big booster pack best money I ever spent.

whizzisat114

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My car started doing that but only when under load ( towing caravan) then it got progressivly wprse would do it just if i put my foot down in 4 or 5th
had the codes read and it was injector bother . ford wanted Ł250 each injector and Ł200 to fit and re programme
So naturally i said bollox to that and hunted for then on the net and got a full set delivered to my door for Ł250 off ebay
Fitted them myself ( had to buy an injector tool Ł24)
then paid ford Ł92 to re programme them that was a year ago and its all hunky doory
My advise would be get your codes read as the glow plug light is the fault light and it could be any thing from an injector to a sensor failing

eddiecos

exact same thing has happened to me in my tdci and my mate in his st tdci and now in my new st tdci.we changed the fuel filter first,worked in my tdci but not in the st tdci.my mate works for the aa,he came round and read the fault code,this usually resets the ecu and it hasnt happened since.depends on the fault code but could be linked to the egr valve which can be blocked off by means of a simple plate inserted.the car goes into limp home mode,will not let you rev incase u damage the engine.start with the cheapest option first mate,filter,15 quid.....good luck

sdk72

I know, I've had noithing but grief with her but so far managed to resolve probs without laying out a fortune - touch wood!

Where is the EGR valve, I'll start there methinks. Also ODB2 reader - tempted to get one as everyone I know seems to need readings, would come in handy - any pointers on that chaps? Southampton a tad far for me

cheers
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Mister G

Exact same thing happened to my ST TDCI before I sold it, EXACTLY what you described, and it was the EGR valve. This is located on the left hand side of your inlet manifold. I replaced the valve for the new owner and it was fine.

However! There are two types one with and one without sensors. I'd be surprised if the non sensored version will throw up the same fault. You will see a wiring loom/plug going to it if it is the later type. You might be able to fix the problem by just giving the EGR a full clean inside. (use a toothbrush and either engine cleaner or (dare I say it!) Mr. muscle oven cleaner))

Good luck

sdk72

just been online looking for egr valves and the images thrown up are that its at the front of the engine , front left - http://www.fordwiki.co.uk/index.php/..._Clearout_TDCi.

nothing there on mine - anywhere else peeps?

sdk72

FFS - just been looking for the EGR and thpought lets turn it over and see what happens. oops. spluttered , eventually fired up and filled the neighbourhood with white smoke. is that the end of my turbo per chance ?????????????

st3v3

I don't think it's your EGR normaly it would be just the light staying on,not flashing.

When the Eml is flashing it means something badly wrong and you should get it checked asap.
The fact that you have White smoke tells you the same now.
And maybe get the fault code read befor you kill that engine/pump.

Remeber when the duel pump starts to eat it af,all those little iron fillings go through your Fuel system and some will get to the injectors,regardless how good your fuel filter is.

155lee

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if its a motor factor fuel filter then id start with that,they are rubbish,if it has an electronic actuator it could be that,they changed at around 04 plate,or the fuel pump or injectors.filters are only about Ł16 from ford.i would get a genuine 1 and try that before buying code readers.

st3v3

Incedently,the loss of power as you described in the first post is because the car has gone in to limp home mode,this is so you can't rev the car over 2500-3000 rpm (can't remember exactly) and damage the engine.


Get yourself over to MEG make yourself a member and ask the guys on there,there are many people who have had the same problem as you and some might even be able to help you directly.

sdk72

cheers signed up n posted. gonna see what comes up. anyone know what software is needed to go on a laptop to do diagnostics? surely its that simple right????

sdk72

just clean diesel in filter

whizzisat114

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there is a kit you can buy think its about 150 - 200 quids if my memory serves me right.
i joined the mondeo enthusiasts club and there is some clever people on there

sdk72

is that MEG? I posted the same post on their but not got a good verdict on the problem. think i need to get codes done only i cant drive it !!!! anyone mobile who can do it????

cheers

sdk72

is a faulty oil filter likely to cause so much trouble and smoke and how can you check if its that? cheers

billybigspuds

first things i would do is code read it andcheck the egr is moving ok

R4N SS

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all this injector and pump lark is really putting me off buying a mk3 mondy diseasel - think i better stick with my ashtray for now

sdk72

not me. gives me something to moan about

DanW@FastFord

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Sounds like yours is an early engine, so the EGR is a pain to get to and is down the back right of the engine. DON'T replace the EGR, just blank it off, although your smoke is highly unlikely to be connected to it.

Exactly what are your symptoms?

sdk72

as mentioned the car went in limp mode. the coil light was flashing but i got home fine. yesterday I tried firing her up and she spluttered and spat out a world of smoke, sounded grim too

sdk72

how straight forward is that? or not!

DanW@FastFord

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It's a pain because the access is difficult, but it's blanking the EGR is not technically difficult. It's also easier on the earlier models as blanking it won't flag up any fault codes.

I'd suggest it's not your turbo, but a fuel pump/injector fault. If anything that's worse, as the costs can be eye-watering. Get it on a fault code reader, and see what comes up before you swap anything over.

sdk72

as I dont wanna risk driving it can you reccommend anyone to come out at all - based in bury. AS for blanking the egr - is there an online guide to do this or is it a question of sticking a ball bearing or the like in the pipe to it ?

cheers again

steve

DanW@FastFord

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No idea who could come out unfortunately, best get Googling!

As for the EGR - buy a blanking plate off the 'bay - fit the plate between the EGR and the supply pipe and you're done!

st3v3

i think we need to clarify something here.

Look at this picture and tell us if your EGR is where it is in the pic.



It wont be a dodgy oil filter, nor would it be the fuel filter, EGR, im doubting its more likely to be the injectors or pump.

If the EGR is not at the front then as Dan said it could be round the back, as they were on the early 130bhp cars (tdci)

As said mate, try the EGR but im thinking you will have to get the fault codes read because at the minute youre very much pissing in the wind.

billybigspuds

thats a tddi tho isnt it?

st3v3

a tdci that whats the original poster was on about?!

thats what the picture is of, a tdci

billybigspuds

i must be getting confused, i thought the ealy ones were di, tdci i thought had electronic injectors

st3v3

i have an 02 plate tdci and my engine looks very simula to the above, unless the OP has an earlier engine than the one shown.

lol now im getting confused.

Gadget

I've got the same problem on my 130ps TDCi, i had the codes read and it was P1211 and P0251 - Injector pump metering control function. I've replaced the filter with a genuine ford one, checked fuel lines, replaced fuel pump metering valve, replaced fuel temperature sensor and had my injectors ultrasonically cleaned.. Still have the problem!!
The place that cleaned the injectors said there was some variation in fueling but nothing that stoodout! Only 1 of the injectors is original according to the correction factors on the rocker cover.
My next step i think is going to be to re code the injectors again and go from there.
The really strange thing is, i'm sure mine is temperature related as i don't seem to be able to do it untill the engine is warm but there is no codes to do with temperature!
Starting to consider a gallon of petrol and match now

DanW@FastFord

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The engine pic is definitely a TDCi. You can see the black 'common rail' that the injectors connect too. This is different on TDDis as they have separate fuel lines. Early TDCis (pre mid-02) had a slightly different layout with the EGR at the back.

Those are really common codes. Two guys at work both with misbehaving Mondeos have those codes. Both theirs cut out randomly, or drop into limp mode whenever they feel like it. One has started getting really smokey too.

A recode could solve it short term, but it's kind of delaying the inevitable. Four recon injectors 'may' fix it, but it could end up being a new pump and fuel rail job. The problem with TDCis is that its soooooo easy to chase faults around the car without getting a proper fix. Before you know it you're in too deep to move the car on (speaking from personal experience!).

sdk72

Nope. Mines not there so I guess its round the back. Trying to find someone who got the kit & can read codes as I dont want to drive the bigger just yet

sdk72

yup yup and yup.

whats bugging me is why it errupted like vesuvius last time i fired her up, what caused that?

DanW@FastFord

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It could well be a sticking injector - I left mine parked up for a couple of months after having a crash in it, and when I fired it up it was an unbelievable smoke machine, and it sounded like a broken cement mixer. I shit my pants! I left it ticking over and applied a bit of throttle every couple of minutes and it cleared.

From then on it smoked on startup, then cleared after 10 secs or so. It also developed bad diesel knock, which pointed to the injectors, but oddly no fault codes.

Even though it supposedly had a new pump and injectors just two months previously, I ended up having two new injectors put it, and although the knock's gone, it still chucks out a lungful of dieselly smoke when it's cold, although hardly any when it's warm. I suspect I need the other two replacing at some point.

I'd say that you've got either a leaky, or a sticking (or both) injector, or injectors.

DanW@FastFord

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Look at the base of the injectors, that's where the electrical connectors are.