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03-06-2010, 11:25 AM
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Would they take all that effort? Or would they have cooled down meanwhile? My point is: It's a lot easier to go on a killing spree with a gun ready at your hands. In all the shootings over here, the people who did it had easy legal access to guns and it happened "in the heat of the passion".
And also, I absolutely understand that shooting is a sport to quite a lot of people but why on earth do you need a 12 gauge shotgun for that? And even more, why do you need to keep that at home, not at the shooting range?
And also, I absolutely understand that shooting is a sport to quite a lot of people but why on earth do you need a 12 gauge shotgun for that? And even more, why do you need to keep that at home, not at the shooting range?
Also a 'legal' gun will be restricted to three shots, a semi auto shotgun for example will have the bottom tube filled with resin so only two shells can be loaded, two in the mag one in the breach, i know you could still kill people with these three, but the majority of intercity gun crimes are commited with small arms such as machine pistols or semi automatic pistols, these machine pistols most certainly are not obtained legaly and are not restricted on capicity.
Just take consideration for other peoples hobbies just because you don't agree with it, does that make it wrong, I know alot of people that shoot clays or animals, they use that as there hobbie as you use cars and whatnot.
03-06-2010, 11:53 AM
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Yeah, I suppose, but my friend who owns two shotguns, they are locked away in a 1/4inch steel cabinate in there atic, I don't see a problem with that.
But people shouldn't just have them lying around, or mounted on walls (as some people I know do... :/).
But people shouldn't just have them lying around, or mounted on walls (as some people I know do... :/).
03-06-2010, 01:27 PM
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Tis a shame at what happened, but why now do the Police have to investigate it?? I can understand if the killer was still out there, but his dead!! There are 100 detectives now working on the case, trying to find out why he done it!! That is goin to cost the taxpayer millions, for them to say he was mentally ill or whatever!!
03-06-2010, 02:10 PM
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Your doing just what the press will do. "demonise" the murderer. Make him out to be a nut case, evil monster or similar.
That way, ignorant poorly educated people can sleep safe at night knowing the guy was "not normal" and therefore they are safe because hes dead.
WRONG.
ALL of us have the capability to kill and you just dont know what could push people over the edge so they kill YOU in your sleep or for no reason.
But people like you dont like that concept and find it hard to accept so youd rather demonise them and "sweep it under the carpet" so you can "feel safe".
Just accept the reality of the world we live in.
Happens in soo many families where there is a serious nasty crime, be it murder, rape, sexual abuse etc etc, the family rejects the victim (or victims close relations) because its easier to write off them as "damaged" than to accept that seemingly normal people sometimes do really nasty things because they want to.
Many people who shoot, do so in the confines of their own land. (not everyone lives in citys!!). Plus many people shoot on other peoples land with permission. To make them keep guns at a club would not prevent any massacres as theyd just go to the club to sign out thier gun (they would have own keys remember) and go on killing spree then.
Removing guns from society really wouldnt stop that as its scarily easy to get guns on the black market.
03-06-2010, 02:25 PM
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ALL of us have the capability to kill and you just dont know what could push people over the edge so they kill YOU in your sleep or for no reason.
But people like you dont like that concept and find it hard to accept so youd rather demonise them and "sweep it under the carpet" so you can "feel safe".
Just accept the reality of the world we live in.
R.I.P to all
03-06-2010, 02:32 PM
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the point is T, you just dont know. Most people will never be pushed far enough to find out.
Im sure youd agree that if someone tried to kill your kid youd do everything and if necessary kill them to protect your kid. So even you are capable of killing. Its only a small mental difference between having a socially accepted "valid reason" to kill and not having one.
Im sure youd agree that if someone tried to kill your kid youd do everything and if necessary kill them to protect your kid. So even you are capable of killing. Its only a small mental difference between having a socially accepted "valid reason" to kill and not having one.
03-06-2010, 02:57 PM
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Also, people don't just shoot at one place, my gun club is about 40 miles away, but the place I can use for clays, is 5 mins down the road so I'd have to travel all that way, to shoot at a place 5mins up the road... Also take into account the amount of guns. A gun club with say 4o members, 5-10 guns each, that's up to 400 guns to be stored. Just a stupud suggestion really.
As to the person that told me I need my head looking at, you're just one of the many ignorant arseholes that are going to moan about something as you are totally uneducated on the subject. As said, you're not educated enough to comment, so don't.
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03-06-2010, 03:43 PM
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so so sad,now we know the full outcome although there are some very seriously injured still......
he held a license for 20 yrs,for shotgun and a .22 rifle,so i hear....
christ ive already lost all my handguns,looks like its gonna be followed by the rest...
but,that poor woman,delivering the catalog's,the guy trimming his hedge,the woman with the shopping,to name a few.....
how the fuck can you argue with that.........
he held a license for 20 yrs,for shotgun and a .22 rifle,so i hear....
christ ive already lost all my handguns,looks like its gonna be followed by the rest...
but,that poor woman,delivering the catalog's,the guy trimming his hedge,the woman with the shopping,to name a few.....
how the fuck can you argue with that.........
03-06-2010, 07:39 PM
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so so sad,now we know the full outcome although there are some very seriously injured still......
he held a license for 20 yrs,for shotgun and a .22 rifle,so i hear....
christ ive already lost all my handguns,looks like its gonna be followed by the rest...
but,that poor woman,delivering the catalog's,the guy trimming his hedge,the woman with the shopping,to name a few.....
how the fuck can you argue with that.........
he held a license for 20 yrs,for shotgun and a .22 rifle,so i hear....
christ ive already lost all my handguns,looks like its gonna be followed by the rest...
but,that poor woman,delivering the catalog's,the guy trimming his hedge,the woman with the shopping,to name a few.....
how the fuck can you argue with that.........
03-06-2010, 08:59 PM
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It is always the case that when a tragedy like this happens it is usually followed by a kneejerk reaction from the government.
After Hungerford, automatic weapons were banned, after Dunblane handguns were banned.
In these two cases, these measures were taken to make the country safer. My question is, why do we have more shootings with illeagaly held weapons than that of people who have held the guns with a licence. Something is amiss here.
After every shooting in London, Manchester etc, I never hear the government saying how they are going to combat and clamp down on the banned weapons being used in these crimes and how the criminals are getting hold of them.
It is too easy for them to take them away from law abiding shooters.
There have been more deaths on the roads involving vehicles this year than gun deaths, are people calling for them to be banned?
Remove one type of weapon used to kill people will only cause another weapon being used in crimes. where will it end??
As stated already, ANYTHING can be used as a weapon.
It is always the case that when a tragedy like this happens it is usually followed by a kneejerk reaction from the government.
After Hungerford, automatic weapons were banned, after Dunblane handguns were banned.
In these two cases, these measures were taken to make the country safer. My question is, why do we have more shootings with illeagaly held weapons than that of people who have held the guns with a licence. Something is amiss here.
After every shooting in London, Manchester etc, I never hear the government saying how they are going to combat and clamp down on the banned weapons being used in these crimes and how the criminals are getting hold of them.
It is too easy for them to take them away from law abiding shooters.
There have been more deaths on the roads involving vehicles this year than gun deaths, are people calling for them to be banned?
Remove one type of weapon used to kill people will only cause another weapon being used in crimes. where will it end??
As stated already, ANYTHING can be used as a weapon.
03-06-2010, 09:35 PM
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And as said, we already have one of the lowest legal gun ownerships in the world and the occurances of gun crime with legal weapons is VERY VERY RARE.
People need to put things into perspective!! for example 32 people die EVERYDAY from breast cancer in the UK alone.
It is always the case that when a tragedy like this happens it is usually followed by a kneejerk reaction from the government.
After Hungerford, automatic weapons were banned, after Dunblane handguns were banned.
In these two cases, these measures were taken to make the country safer. My question is, why do we have more shootings with illeagaly held weapons than that of people who have held the guns with a licence. Something is amiss here.
After every shooting in London, Manchester etc, I never hear the government saying how they are going to combat and clamp down on the banned weapons being used in these crimes and how the criminals are getting hold of them.
It is too easy for them to take them away from law abiding shooters.
There have been more deaths on the roads involving vehicles this year than gun deaths, are people calling for them to be banned?
Remove one type of weapon used to kill people will only cause another weapon being used in crimes. where will it end??
As stated already, ANYTHING can be used as a weapon.
After Hungerford, automatic weapons were banned, after Dunblane handguns were banned.
In these two cases, these measures were taken to make the country safer. My question is, why do we have more shootings with illeagaly held weapons than that of people who have held the guns with a licence. Something is amiss here.
After every shooting in London, Manchester etc, I never hear the government saying how they are going to combat and clamp down on the banned weapons being used in these crimes and how the criminals are getting hold of them.
It is too easy for them to take them away from law abiding shooters.
There have been more deaths on the roads involving vehicles this year than gun deaths, are people calling for them to be banned?
Remove one type of weapon used to kill people will only cause another weapon being used in crimes. where will it end??
As stated already, ANYTHING can be used as a weapon.
The politicians in most cases LOVE knee jerk reactions as the ban effects a small minority of the population and makes happy a large number of ignorant ill-informed members of the public.
Giving credit where credits due, cameron hasnt followed the typical pattern so far! Although i will wait a while to see if his promise comes true or he backs down due to the popularity contest the media panic will obviously cause.
People need to learn to accept that often they are ill-informed on such matters and hence its unwise for our leaders to pander to the ill-informed. Part of the flaw in our political system is the current generation of MP's who are more interested in a popularity contest than taking the hard and necessary decisions the average joe wont understand and may not like. But thats what our leaders are for.
Just think of the fuck up over nuclear power due to the millions of morons in this country panicking over something they know fuck all about and hence the weak, pathetic politicians refusing to make the decision to build new plants until they were forced by the prospect of blackouts and horrendously expensive electric as we more heavily depend on imported energy. Yeah well done people
Things are never as black and white as people like to think and people if they dont understand something should reserve their judgement until they have spent time to find out so they can make an INFORMED DECISION rather than basing thier decision on prejudice, emotion or unfounded bias.
But then we shouldnt be surprised with such a poorly educated population we have.
03-06-2010, 10:26 PM
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For once i agree with a politician, Cameron stated that they do not intend to do any knee-jerk gun law changes as you simply cannot legislate and outlaw someones head from cracking.
And as said, we already have one of the lowest legal gun ownerships in the world and the occurances of gun crime with legal weapons is VERY VERY RARE.
People need to put things into perspective!! for example 32 people die EVERYDAY from breast cancer in the UK alone.
no it doesnt support your points. The only person who flew off the handle was you.
Exactly!!!
The politicians in most cases LOVE knee jerk reactions as the ban effects a small minority of the population and makes happy a large number of ignorant ill-informed members of the public.
Giving credit where credits due, cameron hasnt followed the typical pattern so far! Although i will wait a while to see if his promise comes true or he backs down due to the popularity contest the media panic will obviously cause.
People need to learn to accept that often they are ill-informed on such matters and hence its unwise for our leaders to pander to the ill-informed. Part of the flaw in our political system is the current generation of MP's who are more interested in a popularity contest than taking the hard and necessary decisions the average joe wont understand and may not like. But thats what our leaders are for.
Just think of the fuck up over nuclear power due to the millions of morons in this country panicking over something they know fuck all about and hence the weak, pathetic politicians refusing to make the decision to build new plants until they were forced by the prospect of blackouts and horrendously expensive electric as we more heavily depend on imported energy. Yeah well done people
Things are never as black and white as people like to think and people if they dont understand something should reserve their judgement until they have spent time to find out so they can make an INFORMED DECISION rather than basing thier decision on prejudice, emotion or unfounded bias.
But then we shouldnt be surprised with such a poorly educated population we have.
And as said, we already have one of the lowest legal gun ownerships in the world and the occurances of gun crime with legal weapons is VERY VERY RARE.
People need to put things into perspective!! for example 32 people die EVERYDAY from breast cancer in the UK alone.
no it doesnt support your points. The only person who flew off the handle was you.
Exactly!!!
The politicians in most cases LOVE knee jerk reactions as the ban effects a small minority of the population and makes happy a large number of ignorant ill-informed members of the public.
Giving credit where credits due, cameron hasnt followed the typical pattern so far! Although i will wait a while to see if his promise comes true or he backs down due to the popularity contest the media panic will obviously cause.
People need to learn to accept that often they are ill-informed on such matters and hence its unwise for our leaders to pander to the ill-informed. Part of the flaw in our political system is the current generation of MP's who are more interested in a popularity contest than taking the hard and necessary decisions the average joe wont understand and may not like. But thats what our leaders are for.
Just think of the fuck up over nuclear power due to the millions of morons in this country panicking over something they know fuck all about and hence the weak, pathetic politicians refusing to make the decision to build new plants until they were forced by the prospect of blackouts and horrendously expensive electric as we more heavily depend on imported energy. Yeah well done people
Things are never as black and white as people like to think and people if they dont understand something should reserve their judgement until they have spent time to find out so they can make an INFORMED DECISION rather than basing thier decision on prejudice, emotion or unfounded bias.
But then we shouldnt be surprised with such a poorly educated population we have.
03-06-2010, 11:29 PM
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rip to the victims but tightining up gun laws aint the answer, maybe this country should look at how it fails on mental illness as obviously this guy was mentally ill and obviously wasnt picked up,
but even if it was the treatment and attitude to it in this country is totally shocking and yes i speak from experience,
its obvious the guy had issues which wasnt picked up and this is what happens im afraid, the guy cracked and wasnt thinking straight and no amount of laws can stop that, helping and picking up on mental issues will stop shit like this happening again.
Trouble is men in general wont go to the docs if they aint feeling right in the head due to the the stigma and the general male i can handle it type attitude and then it goes tits up
but even if it was the treatment and attitude to it in this country is totally shocking and yes i speak from experience,
its obvious the guy had issues which wasnt picked up and this is what happens im afraid, the guy cracked and wasnt thinking straight and no amount of laws can stop that, helping and picking up on mental issues will stop shit like this happening again.
Trouble is men in general wont go to the docs if they aint feeling right in the head due to the the stigma and the general male i can handle it type attitude and then it goes tits up
03-06-2010, 11:49 PM
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one reasureing thing,for the amount of people that have looked/comented on this thread theres realy only a couple of looneys on here...
03-06-2010, 11:55 PM
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but even if it was the treatment and attitude to it in this country is totally shocking and yes i speak from experience,
its obvious the guy had issues which wasnt picked up and this is what happens im afraid, the guy cracked and wasnt thinking straight and no amount of laws can stop that, helping and picking up on mental issues will stop shit like this happening again.
Trouble is men in general wont go to the docs if they aint feeling right in the head due to the the stigma and the general male i can handle it type attitude and then it goes tits up
its obvious the guy had issues which wasnt picked up and this is what happens im afraid, the guy cracked and wasnt thinking straight and no amount of laws can stop that, helping and picking up on mental issues will stop shit like this happening again.
Trouble is men in general wont go to the docs if they aint feeling right in the head due to the the stigma and the general male i can handle it type attitude and then it goes tits up
despite all the so called equality laws and disability discrimination laws and the attempts at reducing the stigma, the stigma surrounding mental health is still as strong as ever!!
The press make it much worse and arent helping.
Whenever theres a serial killing or mass killing they always try and use mental health as an excuse. If you look at the statistics, people suffering from mental health conditions are far more likely to hurt themselves than others. The rate of murder by mental health patients is pretty similar to the rate of murder by the general population.
The reason the press sensationalise such cases is a) it sells papers by causeing fear and b) such an attitude makes a lot of weak people feel safer because they can demonise the bad people as "nuts" or "schizo" or "monster" ie make them out to be different from you and I. That way people dont have to consider that thier own friends and family could go the same way in the wrong circumstances.
The taxi guy was just a normal guy like you and I and something made his mind crack.
03-06-2010, 11:57 PM
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Youve just shown you are yet another of the bigoted morons furthering the stigma surrounding mental health.
1 in 4 people are effected by mental distress in thier lifetime. Chances are some of your friends are nutcases too
04-06-2010, 12:10 AM
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So what if im mentally ill. doesnt mean im going to go get a gun and shoot loads of people just because I suffer from an illness.
Youve just shown you are yet another of the bigoted morons furthering the stigma surrounding mental health.
1 in 4 people are effected by mental distress in thier lifetime. Chances are some of your friends are nutcases too
Youve just shown you are yet another of the bigoted morons furthering the stigma surrounding mental health.
1 in 4 people are effected by mental distress in thier lifetime. Chances are some of your friends are nutcases too
04-06-2010, 01:06 AM
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Too many posts.. I need a life!!
R.I.P for those who have died
If someone else had a gun when this guy snapped they could of stopped him from killing more innocent people by shooting him, not necessarily killing him. (wait for the slagging off)
as said before banning guns wont stop gun crime as since when do criminals obey the law ? as by the nature they break the law dont they.
But unfortunaly people cant do anything other than dive for cover when someone fires a gun unlike someone with a knife where someone will give it ago while thinking about others before themselves.
If someone else had a gun when this guy snapped they could of stopped him from killing more innocent people by shooting him, not necessarily killing him. (wait for the slagging off)
as said before banning guns wont stop gun crime as since when do criminals obey the law ? as by the nature they break the law dont they.
But unfortunaly people cant do anything other than dive for cover when someone fires a gun unlike someone with a knife where someone will give it ago while thinking about others before themselves.
04-06-2010, 09:02 AM
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So what if im mentally ill. doesnt mean im going to go get a gun and shoot loads of people just because I suffer from an illness.
Youve just shown you are yet another of the bigoted morons furthering the stigma surrounding mental health.
1 in 4 people are effected by mental distress in thier lifetime. Chances are some of your friends are nutcases too
Youve just shown you are yet another of the bigoted morons furthering the stigma surrounding mental health.
1 in 4 people are effected by mental distress in thier lifetime. Chances are some of your friends are nutcases too
04-06-2010, 01:28 PM
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R.I.P for those who have died
If someone else had a gun when this guy snapped they could of stopped him from killing more innocent people by shooting him, not necessarily killing him. (wait for the slagging off)
as said before banning guns wont stop gun crime as since when do criminals obey the law ? as by the nature they break the law dont they.
But unfortunaly people cant do anything other than dive for cover when someone fires a gun unlike someone with a knife where someone will give it ago while thinking about others before themselves.
If someone else had a gun when this guy snapped they could of stopped him from killing more innocent people by shooting him, not necessarily killing him. (wait for the slagging off)
as said before banning guns wont stop gun crime as since when do criminals obey the law ? as by the nature they break the law dont they.
But unfortunaly people cant do anything other than dive for cover when someone fires a gun unlike someone with a knife where someone will give it ago while thinking about others before themselves.
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07-06-2010, 10:20 PM
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It's so bad, I actually questioned myself for not agreeing with him...
Well I'm totally with him about the knee-jerk reactions thing at least...
07-06-2010, 11:23 PM
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