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Old 14-01-2005, 02:25 PM
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My escort cosworth when coming on full boost is backfiring like its a rally car, its the type of sound like a boost hose is off but they are all on securely...
Old 14-01-2005, 02:34 PM
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plugs ????
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I have seen this before, The CPS is getting the wrong signal. Maybe timing thingy has moved.
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so you think it could be the timing?

It seems weird tho, that all of a sudden that its started happenin, like one minute not, one minute happenin...
Old 14-01-2005, 02:55 PM
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Faulty crank position sensor causes this problem starts at about 3500rpm?
Old 14-01-2005, 02:58 PM
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Yeah that sounds pretty much like it, once it hits about 9/10psi
Old 14-01-2005, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Faulty crank position sensor causes this problem starts at about 3500rpm?
Can you jus disconnect this?and if so, where is it located.
Old 14-01-2005, 03:10 PM
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front crank pully

no you cannot disconnect it you need to fix the problem.

The one I was working on the pin on the front pully has fooked it and the pully had moved.
Old 14-01-2005, 03:11 PM
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that doesnt make any sense, the pully has fooed it and the pully had moved....what?lolol
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Its a weird one tho, cos if you disconnect the amal valve, it doesnt backfire???
Old 14-01-2005, 03:15 PM
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hmmm mabe not then
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Definitely this then. Jack car up and look underneath the bottom pulley on the engine, you will see a sensor bolted on this. It does connect with a multi-plug to the loom, and if you're lucky, it is just water in the plug (you can unplug it and remove the sensor from the car to see). If it is bone dry, then it is faulty and not water ingress causing the problem, if wet you obviously need to clean both halfs with a suitable electrical water repellant.

It is only Ł25 to replace if cleaning the plug doesn't work.
Old 14-01-2005, 03:23 PM
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Nice one, oh how the people on passionford can help out a lost fellow eh

Cheers Mike
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Make sure when refitting that you position in the same place. It could be that it has come loose even and is not reading the marks correctly or even has some dirt on the sensor preventing it from doing so.
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But you think the problem is probably this sensor?
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Absolutely. Had the same problem in April last year...
Old 14-01-2005, 03:48 PM
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lol righto, ill get it sorted 2nite then lol...cheers buddy, if you lived in northern ireland id take you out for a pint....
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I've pulled .
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cheers buddy, if you lived in northern ireland id take you out for a pint....
I've pulled :rainbird:
As you can see, Mike is 'offline' -that's because he's on the phone to Ryan Air
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only 45quid

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Dont ffs
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You've obviously heard of the Ringmeister over the water then?
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I'm on my way, you'll recognise me by my stupid fluorescent yellow jacket .
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check the map sensor wire/plug/pipe aswell
Old 14-01-2005, 04:10 PM
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okey dokey....
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
I'm on my way, you'll recognise me by my stupid fluorescent yellow jacket .


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That brings back memories, I bet most of the youngsters here won't get that (unlike me being an oldie ).
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I always liked the cartoons from that 'strange woman with two first names'
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Id be checking the plugs as well and ENSURE they are AGPR 12PPs and NOTHING else. This model suffers from coilpack issues and they are heightened by incorrect plugs. Also check the connections to the plug in chip on the ecu, but only with IGNITION OFF

The above advice only relates to EEC IV Model ESCOS. As i recall thats what you had, but may be very wrong.
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
That brings back memories, I bet most of the youngsters here won't get that (unlike me being an oldie ).
whatever happened to touche' turtle? youre not the only oldie on here mike;lol
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Id be checking the plugs as well and ENSURE they are AGPR 12PPs and NOTHING else. This model suffers from coilpack issues and they are heightened by incorrect plugs. Also check the connections to the plug in chip on the ecu, but only with IGNITION OFF

The above advice only relates to EEC IV Model ESCOS. As i recall thats what you had, but may be very wrong.
i didnt even know it was a small turbo model so i could be very wrong,,, i can see its a small turbo now though
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Hi Ryan, have you had the car properly mapped yet since fitting the chip??? It could be that you haven't fitted it correctly or that it needs the fueling checked for that chip???
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It is a Small turbo version Stu,

Scott, havnt had it mapped yet, i guess i will hav to get it done asap.
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Does it have a chip cause mine has a problem of the chip getting loose after a while and I know it's loose because it does what your describing. when it comes on boost and starts to pull hard it's just enough to wiggle the chip and produce a poping backfire.
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Originally Posted by Skiman
It is a Small turbo version Stu,

Scott, havnt had it mapped yet, i guess i will hav to get it done asap.
Youve fitted a chip?
Have you done it properly?
Is it mapped for a 4bar fuel reg? If so did you fit it?
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Id be checking the plugs as well and ENSURE they are AGPR 12PPs and NOTHING else. This model suffers from coilpack issues and they are heightened by incorrect plugs. Also check the connections to the plug in chip on the ecu, but only with IGNITION OFF

So you say one schould use only Motorcraft Plugs on this one? You say coilpacks are problematic? I ask because I bough mine with different plugs and tehy worked fine, not I have one from Ford and it still works fine no missfire but I prefer to expect the worst problems
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Yes, the system runs very oddly with some aftermarket plugs, and SPECIFICALLY champion C5 range...

Theres no reason not to use the std ones and they are probably the best quality available for the price
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Also, there is a Denso version of the Ford PP8 that is known
to work very well, quite cheap too

Dave Griffiths at Interpro often fits them to tuned Small Turbo
Es Cossie's.....allows a nice big gap to be used and NO misfires


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