Making a rollcage out of exhaust tubing...?
01-05-2010, 10:59 AM
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your saying that the .4mm thickness differeence is not going to be that much of an issue but then alsoremember the diameter of the pipe has increased by approx 20% also. This coupled with the quality of the metal and the fact its seamed tube means its as much use as one made of playdo!!!
Yes it may look ok and yes it may of been alot cheaper but for the cost and hassel of having it done he may as well of got it done with the propepr tube!
Yes it may look ok and yes it may of been alot cheaper but for the cost and hassel of having it done he may as well of got it done with the propepr tube!
02-05-2010, 05:19 PM
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This year we had to change a few cars cages because now deemed unsafe especially on caterham locost types we had to send cages away to mira and pay lots of money to get approval. The main points raised at mira was too many diagonal sections these had to be removed from roof, sides and back end. The other thing was some bends and angles are no longer deemed safe from main cage pick up points in a b and c pillars to other cross section fail scrutineering too. So we had to go and redesign a lot from the sevens and historic race cars.
I think show cages should be totally illegal and uninsurable some of these dole money morons are a danger to themselves and others.
I think show cages should be totally illegal and uninsurable some of these dole money morons are a danger to themselves and others.
23-11-2010, 06:03 PM
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Wow!! sorry people im a bit late geting hold of this!!
hmmmm im slightly concerned by the fact the OP has spent so much time posting and quoting and copying links!! stalker me thinks!!
anyways, i believe in the many quotes it does state this cage is not being used for structural qualities!! I think the OP should be a little less timid and perhaps ask questions to the actual owner! LOL
the reason the cage was put in was for a modified car show, maybe the OP should of mentioned what other cars i have and maybe you would of understood why i did this
If the OP actually knew me, he would know i worked at an exhaust company for six months and we put this in for a crack for nothign more than the cost of materials. its a shame he doesnt have any of the finsihed photos, as it really looks the nuts from a distance as we painted it kwasaki green, but alas there was too many runs in it for my liking
it is fully gusseted (sp) to the A and B pillars, and welded to the floor in 6 places. Im not particularly fussed if you think this is dangerous because i know if you looked under my show car, ud probably shit bricks!! lol oh and to the guy worried about insurane police whatever, it was notified to them as a show cage, because thats what it is??
hmmmm im slightly concerned by the fact the OP has spent so much time posting and quoting and copying links!! stalker me thinks!!
anyways, i believe in the many quotes it does state this cage is not being used for structural qualities!! I think the OP should be a little less timid and perhaps ask questions to the actual owner! LOL
the reason the cage was put in was for a modified car show, maybe the OP should of mentioned what other cars i have and maybe you would of understood why i did this
If the OP actually knew me, he would know i worked at an exhaust company for six months and we put this in for a crack for nothign more than the cost of materials. its a shame he doesnt have any of the finsihed photos, as it really looks the nuts from a distance as we painted it kwasaki green, but alas there was too many runs in it for my liking
it is fully gusseted (sp) to the A and B pillars, and welded to the floor in 6 places. Im not particularly fussed if you think this is dangerous because i know if you looked under my show car, ud probably shit bricks!! lol oh and to the guy worried about insurane police whatever, it was notified to them as a show cage, because thats what it is??
23-11-2010, 06:14 PM
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Cant even see the point in it as a show cage, cause with the narrowed bends it just looks shite anyway.
But I guess it depends who is looking at it, i guess some stupid kids at a car show probably wont spot that.
We dont have a specific newbie section.
If we had a co-incidence room though it would suit you even better than a newbie one.
Guess what?
http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/sh...not-peugeot%29
There is another bloke with exactly the same username who is building a van too, but his isnt a show van, its a TRACK van
Small world eh?
Some quotes from him:
But I guess it depends who is looking at it, i guess some stupid kids at a car show probably wont spot that.
We dont have a specific newbie section.
If we had a co-incidence room though it would suit you even better than a newbie one.
Guess what?
http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/sh...not-peugeot%29
There is another bloke with exactly the same username who is building a van too, but his isnt a show van, its a TRACK van
Small world eh?
Some quotes from him:
Originally Posted by pugme
ill be uprating the antirollbars and im presuming the cage will strengthen the chasis up as well, so i think it will be good but im expecting it to have severe lift off over steer on track, due to the lack off weight on the rear.
Originally Posted by pugme
once the lumps in ill be hitting open pit trackdays up and down the country with it, so im sure we can meet up at some point
Last edited by Chip; 23-11-2010 at 06:25 PM.
23-11-2010, 06:17 PM
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LOL, u never been to USC!! lol
because i was working at the exhaust company, thats why we did it! lol, maybe if id have been building a showroom for a roll cage company it would have been different! tbf for a while we were contemplating mounting a free air sub into the rear cross sections! lol
honestly i dont why people get so worked up over silly things! surely the fact its on 18" rotas on -3 camber and running 18mm positive offset, is enough to show this van is just a bit of a crack!! but to be fair id of thought the 80's cool jap front bumper woudl have stated all of the above!!
ah cheers lads, and nope not been driven on the road as the 200,000 mile diesel lump gave up the ghost, id have thought the OP would have known this, he seems to be following me!! lol
you guys do realise that pic doesnt actually show even half the cage, yeah??
because i was working at the exhaust company, thats why we did it! lol, maybe if id have been building a showroom for a roll cage company it would have been different! tbf for a while we were contemplating mounting a free air sub into the rear cross sections! lol
honestly i dont why people get so worked up over silly things! surely the fact its on 18" rotas on -3 camber and running 18mm positive offset, is enough to show this van is just a bit of a crack!! but to be fair id of thought the 80's cool jap front bumper woudl have stated all of the above!!
ah cheers lads, and nope not been driven on the road as the 200,000 mile diesel lump gave up the ghost, id have thought the OP would have known this, he seems to be following me!! lol
you guys do realise that pic doesnt actually show even half the cage, yeah??
Last edited by Pugme; 23-11-2010 at 06:20 PM.
23-11-2010, 06:25 PM
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lol, this particular van doesnt need the benefits, my other van on the other hand 
anyone who shake sa stick at free shit, what am i saying, im in england, were all on the dole! woop woop!!
i dunno if any of you guys attend modified chav shows?? i own a silly little fibreglass peugeot as well (called Pugme), and a twin turbo estate car, and my little ford 1.4D van maybe if OP had of explained this maybe it would have all made more sense!!
OH well, better late than never!
anyone who shake sa stick at free shit, what am i saying, im in england, were all on the dole! woop woop!!
i dunno if any of you guys attend modified chav shows?? i own a silly little fibreglass peugeot as well (called Pugme), and a twin turbo estate car, and my little ford 1.4D van maybe if OP had of explained this maybe it would have all made more sense!!
OH well, better late than never!
23-11-2010, 06:30 PM
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I dont know much about cages obviously cause to me I cant tell the difference between the one in this thread which is a show cage:
And this one from the other thread which is a structural cage to improve the car on track:
They just look kind of the same to me TBH
23-11-2010, 06:35 PM
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Well the fella in the other thread with the identical username and identical van said that its point was to strengthen up the chassis to improve the handling, but obviously thats totally different to this one which is just a show cage.
I dont know much about cages obviously cause to me I cant tell the difference between the one in this thread which is a show cage:
And this one from the other thread which is a structural cage to improve the car on track:
They just look kind of the same to me TBH
I dont know much about cages obviously cause to me I cant tell the difference between the one in this thread which is a show cage:
And this one from the other thread which is a structural cage to improve the car on track:
They just look kind of the same to me TBH
23-11-2010, 06:35 PM
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lol, they are the same pic??
yes by welding it to the a and b pillars it did seem to strengthen up the van, didnt seem to have as much body roll when we gave it a test drive "on private land of course" but the old diesel gave up the game! shame really, would love to have hit quarter mil!! lol
hey but this will only be my opinion, and i am by no means a serious track head!! so in all fairness buddy it could have all been in my head!
and i do believe iv only ever said it was to give the van a bit more rigidity, and to look pimp as fook!! lol could have been worded slightly different, im getting old ya see!
yes by welding it to the a and b pillars it did seem to strengthen up the van, didnt seem to have as much body roll when we gave it a test drive "on private land of course" but the old diesel gave up the game! shame really, would love to have hit quarter mil!! lol
hey but this will only be my opinion, and i am by no means a serious track head!! so in all fairness buddy it could have all been in my head!
and i do believe iv only ever said it was to give the van a bit more rigidity, and to look pimp as fook!! lol could have been worded slightly different, im getting old ya see!
Last edited by Pugme; 23-11-2010 at 06:38 PM.
23-11-2010, 06:38 PM
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Cant be the same pic mate, one is a show cage, one is a structural cage apparently, according to the two people with those two vans with their two purposes, one show and one track
Adding more weight on the same strength suspension springs led to less body roll?
Yes I would think that is indeed in your head.
The other fella though, he didnt just imagine it after, it was actaully his intention all along that it wouldnt be just a show cage but would be structural
Adding more weight on the same strength suspension springs led to less body roll?
Yes I would think that is indeed in your head.
The other fella though, he didnt just imagine it after, it was actaully his intention all along that it wouldnt be just a show cage but would be structural
Originally Posted by pugme
im presuming the cage will strengthen the chasis up as well
23-11-2010, 06:41 PM
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so the fact the word presuming is in there would presumably mean i didnt actually know?? or is that not correct definition??
rofl, i continually classed it as a roll cage of course because the van was being built as a "track style van", but i and the OP woudl know it was a show cage because he knows me!!?? No??
i knew it was a show cage, but to be frank, im not particular fussed bud, i had no intention of putting my life in the cage, would never been driving to the point where it may roll, and are you aware of my other car?? if you know me round tut net you obviously know my other cars, do you think the peugeot is safe then??
rofl, i continually classed it as a roll cage of course because the van was being built as a "track style van", but i and the OP woudl know it was a show cage because he knows me!!?? No??
i knew it was a show cage, but to be frank, im not particular fussed bud, i had no intention of putting my life in the cage, would never been driving to the point where it may roll, and are you aware of my other car?? if you know me round tut net you obviously know my other cars, do you think the peugeot is safe then??
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23-11-2010, 06:46 PM
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Oh, its just track style is it?
I didnt realise that mate, sorry, I got the wrong end of the stick from the title of the thread calling it a track van I think.
Sorry about that.
I thought it was going to be used on track you see, I must have misread this bit as well:
Something about that somehow wrongly gave me the impression it was built for actually using on a track, not just "track styled" with a "show" cage etc
I didnt realise that mate, sorry, I got the wrong end of the stick from the title of the thread calling it a track van I think.
Sorry about that.
I thought it was going to be used on track you see, I must have misread this bit as well:
Originally Posted by Pugme
once the lumps in ill be hitting open pit trackdays up and down the country with it, so im sure we can meet up at some point
23-11-2010, 06:48 PM
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and then shortly after that i bought another car?? so what did i buy chipalata??
and then i bought another car, what did i buy chippy boy!!
amazing how plans change, im sorry i didnt go back to edit my posts!! rofl
so chip, what are my 2 other cars!! search the net!! quick!!!
and then i bought another car, what did i buy chippy boy!!
amazing how plans change, im sorry i didnt go back to edit my posts!! rofl
so chip, what are my 2 other cars!! search the net!! quick!!!
23-11-2010, 06:51 PM
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So it was going to be used for trackdays when it wasnt going to have a cage, then when you decided not to trackday it cause you have now decided just to show it, you then put a cage in it, to stengthen it for use at car shows?
Ok, makes perfect sense now
Ok, makes perfect sense now
23-11-2010, 06:54 PM
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huh! lool, no its not being used as a track car because i bought 2 more cars!! and i wasnt happy with the runs in the paint. the fact you think its unsafe woudl hardly of stopped me taking it out on track dude!!
if you notice the othe rblogs all stopped around the time i bought ar number 4, iv since enjoyed a few trackdays, and now iv bought car number 5.
but i do promise i will continually return o all previously made posts to edit them as my plans change to keep you and the OP in my social loop if you give me your number i could text you every time i knock one out??
if you notice the othe rblogs all stopped around the time i bought ar number 4, iv since enjoyed a few trackdays, and now iv bought car number 5.
but i do promise i will continually return o all previously made posts to edit them as my plans change to keep you and the OP in my social loop
if you give me your number i could text you every time i knock one out??
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23-11-2010, 07:00 PM
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i knew it was a show cage, but to be frank, im not particular fussed bud, i had no intention of putting my life in the cage, would never been driving to the point where it may roll, and are you aware of my other car?? if you know me round tut net you obviously know my other cars, do you think the peugeot is safe then??
23-11-2010, 07:01 PM
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Pugme has been totally busted by Chip 
Pugme, take one of these
for getting found out. That cage is shit in all senses of the word, but then I'm sure you realise that now after all the slating you've been getting on here and the other forum?
Pugme, take one of these
for getting found out. That cage is shit in all senses of the word, but then I'm sure you realise that now after all the slating you've been getting on here and the other forum?
23-11-2010, 07:02 PM
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if you notice the othe rblogs all stopped around the time i bought ar number 4, iv since enjoyed a few trackdays, and now iv bought car number 5.
You must be VERY rich to afford all those cars though, im really jealous
23-11-2010, 07:03 PM
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rofl, loving how you guys are judgin it without even seeing it finsihed!!
lol, its not even connected to the van in the above pics! from memory what you see in them pics didnt even remain, as we wasnt happy with how it looked in relation to the seat!! lolz
but oh no, it wont be sold on to anyone, might chop it into a car-b-q for next season tbh 5 cars is a bit of a handful come taxation time!
lol, its not even connected to the van in the above pics! from memory what you see in them pics didnt even remain, as we wasnt happy with how it looked in relation to the seat!! lolz
but oh no, it wont be sold on to anyone, might chop it into a car-b-q for next season tbh 5 cars is a bit of a handful come taxation time!
23-11-2010, 07:05 PM
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rich, no im a mere builder!
lol, reasoning no! as said plans change buddy. at the time it all seemed a good idea, but then a nice estate car came along, and i moved in another direction. im sorry if that hurt your feelings man! as said, pm me your number, ill happily let you know what i do next
which other forum is that SI??
lol, reasoning no! as said plans change buddy. at the time it all seemed a good idea, but then a nice estate car came along, and i moved in another direction. im sorry if that hurt your feelings man! as said, pm me your number, ill happily let you know what i do next
which other forum is that SI??
23-11-2010, 07:07 PM
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lol, its not even connected to the van in the above pics! from memory what you see in them pics didnt even remain, as we wasnt happy with how it looked in relation to the seat!! lolz
but oh no, it wont be sold on to anyone, might chop it into a car-b-q for next season tbh 5 cars is a bit of a handful come taxation time!
but oh no, it wont be sold on to anyone, might chop it into a car-b-q for next season tbh 5 cars is a bit of a handful come taxation time!
23-11-2010, 07:16 PM
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really! wow! ok then
busted for what exactly? changing my plans and not notifying the internet!!
dont worry people, i am know notifying chip with everything from here on, so he shall be able to keep the whole internet updated!!
(he's a good lad aint he!!) i must say it is sweet of chip to be concerned about all this! tbf i dont really care what other people do with there cars, specially not people i dont know!! lol
busted for what exactly? changing my plans and not notifying the internet!!
dont worry people, i am know notifying chip with everything from here on, so he shall be able to keep the whole internet updated!!
(he's a good lad aint he!!) i must say it is sweet of chip to be concerned about all this! tbf i dont really care what other people do with there cars, specially not people i dont know!! lol
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23-11-2010, 07:47 PM
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oh shit sorry fella, im a carpenter! buildr was just a general term i used!!
i didnt build anything, the lads at the exhaust place did it for me while i worked upstairs! its worrying you guys thing this is dangerous!! maybe i should post the specs on my other cars wheel spacers!! lol you guys would have a field day!
this forums great, its just like barryboys!! they wont let me back on there
i didnt build anything, the lads at the exhaust place did it for me while i worked upstairs! its worrying you guys thing this is dangerous!! maybe i should post the specs on my other cars wheel spacers!! lol you guys would have a field day!
this forums great, its just like barryboys!! they wont let me back on there
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