RS Grant

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Sitting browsing the BMW UK site and decided to go and look at a local dealers stock, in particular, an 05-plate E46 M3 with 25k miles on the clock.

Had a look round the car, started talking to the salesman that I knew from when mum bought her car in September... and he offered me a test drive in it.

I was seriously impressed at how well it pulled, using the whole of 3rd and 4th gear could really get you into trouble with the cops.. the throttle response was razor sharp with the sport button pressed. Never really rated them too much, but to be honest, I'm very tempted by these cars now.


Cheers,
Grant

KSA-Cossie

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Lovely motors them grantyboy

Staffi

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Quite fancy a CSL myself Grant, i'm not out of love with the 3dr yet though by a long chalk, but it'll be my next car for sure after having a drive of one a few weeks back, WHAT a noise they make.... but as you've said, the M3 is a superb car..

mojogoes

Uumm hi Grant! tell you what mate if you get the chance to drive a 335d it will make the m3 feel sloooooooow , i drove one that had been remapped and it was seriously quick at 335hp and with over 550lbs.

Staffi

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550lbs?????????? i bet that pulled like a mo-fo??

RS Grant

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Sure are Kevman!!

Pete, what are the differences between a normal M3 and a CSL engine-wise.. because I totally LOVE the way a CSL sounds, is it bolt on stuff, or more serious??


Cheers,
Grant

RS Grant

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Jesus fuck... 550lb/ft is crazy?! The in-gear shove from that must be comedy, with the auto-box it'll just pull and pull.

Bonus with that is you could get a Touring and I could spread my labrador over the back window with that pulling power.


Cheers,
Grant

KSA-Cossie

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Sick , but yet

rstoughy

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More serious but worth the extra coin.

Anyone who says it's not just doesnt get what a CSL is.

danneth

never been in an m3 but love the 35d engine drove my mates 535d a few times which has been mapped from 60 onwards pulls so hard

rstoughy

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Here's the differences inc part numbers should you want to go to your local dealer and buy the bits

Confirmed differences:

- Engine block (supposedly picked from the least flawed cast) – The blocks have the same part numbers as M3, Z4, but the full short block is a different part number 11007833675
- Engine head (exhaust valve and intake/exhaust cams - longer duration, same lift) – intake cam shaft 11317835041 exhaust cam shaft 11317835043 Exhaust Valve 11347833676 (30,5/5,95mm) – the valve springs are exactly the same
- Intake plenum (carbon airbox as we like to call it) Air Collector 11617833496 filter 13727838625 The other half of the carbon box: 11617833497 and control unit 11617833498 all the other ducting 11617833646; 11617833645; 11617833648; 13717896774 intake grill 51117895883
- Extractors/Headers (same as post 2005 M3s and Z4) 11627833500; 11627833643
- Cat converter (200 cell) 18307833673
- X pipe, resonators (thinner material - slightly lighter) 18107833503
- Rear muffler - slightly lighter 18107833504
- Different ECU - 25% more capacity 12147837328; 12147834982
- Different SMG control unit program 23607837731
- Pseudo Alpha N engine management (delete of MAF, but still runs a MAP sensor, and air temp sensor 13621739510- debate as to whether this is just for idle control however) MAP sensor part number 13627833561
- Different traction control system with M track mode on steering wheel (much like the DCT mode in new E9X series)
-Different ABS control program
- Shorter steering ratio 14.5:1 (compared with 15.4:1 on M3) 32132282647 (same steering rack as the M3 CS)

-Front bumper (carbon fiber with incorporate bumper support) silver grey 51117896820 Sapphire Black 51117895950
- Roof (carbon fiber) 41007895382;
- Rear diffuser (carbon fiber) - the bumper is the same as M3 so is the carrier – silver grey 51127896832 Sapphire Black 51127895985
- Boot lid (Moulded sheet plastic - it's not fiberglass people, it's much harder and more rigid) 41007895884
- Rolled rear fenders to accommodate wider rear rims. Bare Full Body Skeleton for CSL 41007895934 (part numbers for the rear fenders are the same as M3, but the CSL comes from the factory with ROLLED rear fenders)
- Different wheels (NOT magnesium, cast aluminium) made by BBS 36112282650; 36112282999
- Suspension and spring (sachs, shorter spring and different damper and rebound rates) fronts 31312282505; 31312282506 front bump stop 31332282508 rear 33522282507, rear mount disc (CSL specific) 33532282503; bumper stop 33532282509
- different rear lower arm - aluminium with spherical joint 33322283074
- different front king pin (hub) for wider front track 31212282855; 31212282856
- larger front sway bar (hollow) 30.8mm 31352282655
- larger rear sway bar 22.5mm 33552282681
- larger front brakes (345mm) 34112282445; 34112282446 brake carrier 34112282619
- larger rear brake caliper piston 34212282857; 34212282858 (same as M3 CS)
- Pilot sport Cup Tyres 85452536738; 85452536740
- Lighter rear glass 51317895441

- Recaro SPG Type front seats 52100031830; 52100031831; rails 52107895957; 52107895958
- Lighter rear seats (4 seater rather than 5) 52207896809; 52207896800 rear console 52207896297
- Lightweight through load facility 52207896929; 52207896930; 52207896807; 52207896808
- Paper/Honey combe boot floor COVER (yes the infamous cardboard floor) 51477895990
- Carbon door cards and rear panel 51417895581; 51417895582; 51437895579; 51437895580 Door handles 51417896919; 51417896920
- carbon centre console 51167896359
- Alcantara steering wheel 32342282502
- Alcantara hand brake lever 34412282662
- 4 rather than 6(or 8 if equiped) airbags
- NO INTERIOR SOUND DEADENING
- No bonnet heat shield (same aluminium bonnet as M3)
- Optional Radio and aircon
- Lighter battery (same as the Mini Cooper S battery) 61218377139


Unconfirmed differences:
- less under carriage undercoating
- extra welding points to chassis

mojogoes

Power wise not loads but loads more ŁŁŁŁŁŁŁ's for being light weight and better brakes and paddle shift etc...............the new M3 yes has more grunt but because of the extra weight of the engine (V8!) its not that much quicker on a tract but in real life situ yeah it will leave the 46.

I know of a few guys over in europe who have the older 330d in the 400+hp region as that straight 6 lump with common rail diesel injection is so tunable........it comes down to being able to get a hold of large enough injectors as you start to run out of fuel especially when using sequential twins .

mojogoes

I am blessed though having a friend who has got the last word in turbo diesel performance! has any one had the privilege of having a drive in an audi R8 v12 tdi man it really does make you think you can see the curvature of the earth......lol and yes its chipped at 580hp and around 900lbs................damn lotto!!

Staffi

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Fook Paul, you saved me a job trying to type all that.....

Just sorced this too....

http://www.carfolio.com/specificatio...07635#a_engine

TT300

Superb cars, hands down the best allrounder for the money. Im still in love with mine and i normally get bored after a month!

Anyone who compares a 335d to an M3 clearly has no sence at all! The M3 was not built for straightline speed at all!

Ps if you can stretch to a CSL go for it mate if i didnt want a vert i would be in a CSL now.

danneth

depends what your comparing? for a daily driver i would much rather have the diesel if your going to be doing track days etc then of course the m3 is the better option

like i said after a remap they do pull well, while still getting 30mpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSwVGkjbshQ

cossierobo

M3 E39 M5 great cars do miss my M5 loved it to bits my mate had a CSL when i had my dodge ram and we did a swap for a couple of days O MY GOD it was a animal everything about it was awsome if you can get a CSL you'll not regret it my mate does give 35k for it had it 12 months and got 35k back for it.

Glenn_

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They are a nice car but no doubt will cost a fortune when they go wrong.

Porkie

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Your friend does not own that car.

So are you mistaken or just making up lies?

Porkie

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of course it is!

Ollie.

Audi havent even released the R8 with that engine yet have they?

mojogoes

Well spotted mate well spotted...........yes i'm afraid it was b/s but at one stage yes the car was ordered and then he found out it wasn't going to arrive/happen at just over a Ł100,000 so they returned his deposit some Ł20,000 i believe http://www.innovationcars.com/blog/a...i-wont-happen/ .

The quote i made above was that of Jeremy Clarkson's so once again guys i apologise..........he's ended up buying an X6 twin turbo diesel 306 hp and 442 lb-ft.......not the same i know but he seams happy with it.




P.S..........i've stated the same on another performance diesel forum i'm on but i couldn't beleave that no one on there court me out?

mojogoes

Lol.........and the 335d was!!!

Porkie

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Exactly! That's how l knew he was lying mate!

They made one car only as a test mule.

Ollie.

I smell something.....

mojogoes

Correct!!.........lol.

Coldo

wtf Are you a penny short of the full quid?

Mr Brannen

What a tit!

Dangerous Malcolm..

What's the point in being a billy bullshitter in the first place???

martysmartie

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NOT true the V8 is lighter than its L6 predecessor!

Martin

Csm

Its not a Ford

timrud

Please ban the bullshitter. Its a close one between danneth and mojogoes who is the most retarded.

danneth

have you not stepped infront of a bus yet

timrud

Yes I did, but it wasn't the bus with the remapped 335/535 derv engine, so I was too quick for it and got out of the way

steviecossie

mojogoes

LOL!!...........i love being on the back foot but don't take it as a weakness.

Lambchop

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I've had m3 thoughts too. Fucking awesome cars. I've driven 2 e46's but neither for much more than a quick blast. 1 was rw's while 4 up so not quite the same as being alone or 2 up.

It'll prob happen at some point

xr2john

i used to work in the bmw dealer up hear in aberdeen and the m3s r crackin cars,to be honest i wouldnt say there is that much diffrence with the standard m3 and the csl.m5 now thats a proper car,sittin at 130 and it feels like your doin 60.real comfy rapid car,but the diesels r the ones with the real torque.they just run out of boost to quick,if i was going to buy a bmw then 335 petrol is the one to go for and it just looks like any other 3 series but they go like fuck,that was an excellent perk too that job

Lambchop

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Are you a mechanic? I have an issue with my x5!

rog

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M5 all the waaaaaay!!!!!