I got no problems about my son Dylan being gay, he watches The A-Team

 

Some funny replies, l must admit each to there own, although camp gay's are annoying

Mike

 

If that was a direct response to my previous post, then I would say you completely missed the point of it...

 

I think Lesbians are great by the way.......... i would....

Seriously though folks, we haven,t mentioned about women gays, just men, so what,s your thoughts on this ??? BET YOU ALL FEEL DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THAT??

 

I hate those lesbians who are fat with short back and sides... One of them could go out with one of those camp gays, and be a couple.

Benni.

 

I haven't insulted you. You insulted yourself by using a playground comparison! Your post wasn't based on any common sense opinion, more of that belonging to the muppet room!

 

I think you have to be in that situation to know what you would do! I know i wouldn't be happy, but i also know i love my kids enough to die for them, so i certainley wouldn't turn my back on them for being Gay!

 

Yes, but so do most women. Most straight men are turned on by the sight of nice lesbians kissing etc, but you ask a woman what she thinks when she sees two blokes kissing! I have not spoke to ONE girl/woman who has said it turns them on! More the opposite!

 

I wont argue with any of your other coments then

 

Dan....if you think its 'normal' to be homo, then when you were younger,why try to deny it and not 'come out' etc...

its not normal being gay but it is acceptable by most people in this day and age.

 

Thanks Alex, because i genuinely dont have a problem with Gays.....wether i find it normal or not is irrelivant...i take individuals as they come!

 

Alot of the posts on this thread are peoples opinions , points of view ,belief's, nothing more and nothing less.

All this talk about Normal ??? would care if someone would like to define normal.

I dont have any issue with gay people regardless as long as they dont push it in anyones face.

Being gay now is socially acceptable but everyone is entitled to thier own views , but should be big enough to respect that not everyone is going to share their views.

 

well said

 

sorry but Christians opening line is fucking hilarious

 

You first, what did your old man say when you told him?

I wouldn't have a problem if my lad grew up to be a batty boy providing he was of the butch kind and liked Fords

Big-Dan.

 

SO BASICALLY if you want the mother of all orgasm's you need to whip your belt off and stick your boat race in a tescos bag then belt it up nice and tight and choke your chicken till your nearly brown bread and thats it ???

it amazes me how come blokes like paying to have their bollocks kicked around and trampelled on but kicking the bucket whilst choking your chicken must rank as a total disaster........ takes the shine right off it.

 

Agree 100% with Lee

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hutchence

pity loved his work

 

Some brilliantly comical comments in this thread

In and evolutionary sense/mother nature (if you believe in god shit) being gay is just a way of removing faulty genes from the gene pool, nothing less, nothing more. It serves no other purpose.

Obviously humans have evolved socially faster than physical evolution can keep pace and hence we have sex for fun not just procreation so of course for many couples, gay or not, it doesnt matter about having kids.

Im sure a psychologist would go on about how in society and relationship forming people are matched by different "roles" they take. These roles traditionally were associated to a particular gender, ie male and female, so it would make sense that people in relationships be it gay or hetro would still take roles albeit the gender has become less relevant. hence why you get butch lesbians just like you get mincing gay men.

Christian, i doubt theres a switch up gays bums more a case that by the time someone has "come out" and is having intimate gay relationships then they probably dont feel the need to conform to the typical gender based roles that are still predominant. Probably because they have accepted who they are so no need to hide it by being masculine in our more tolerant society.

not all gay people will do bum love

We had to cover sex health statistics on the counselling course i did and by raw numbers they reckon about 50% gays do anal where as 30% of hetrosexual couples do anal. So by the simple maths of gays being about 10% of population there are far more hetrosexual people bumming each other than gay people

If people believed the stereotypes that would make hetrosexual people more "gay" than erm gays

The problem with gay relationships in this society, and this is my opinion only, is that society just isnt ready for it and as a result a child bought up in a gay relationship would likely come to significant harm psychologically. And that is NOT acceptable just so a gay couple can have the experience of bringing a child up.

The problem is society is just not that tolerant enough yet! The bullying a child would get WILL be massive. Working sometimes in schools, one of the most common verbal insults still used is to call someone gay/faggot/mincer/batty boy/fudge packer etc etc.

Sure in 10-20 years when society is more tolerant and being gay is percieved just as normal as hetro, then it would be ok because as parents, gay or not are just as capable of giving love etc.

It would be interesting to see if there is a normal distribution of children being bought up gay turning gay compared to hetro upbringing. Science has already determined there are both genetic and environmental factors influencing development of sexuality. Child development is not yet fully understood and also ethics gets in the way of a lot of experimentation to find out!
Why would a gay relationship be any different in that sense?? sure theres no cunt to fuck but other than that theres no reason why there wouldnt be a normal range of sex acts as per normal hetrosexual relationships.

On the anal thing, how many men whove fucked thier missus up the arse would expect/want her to get a strap on and do them?? very few id suspect! So its not automatic that all gay people would enjoy being bummed Also remember that oral sex does NOTHING physically for the giving partner yet plenty still do it to please thier partner and because they enjoy making thier partner happy, so likewise id expect some gay people tolerate being bummed to give pleasure to thier partners even if they themselves dont particularly like the feel of a cock up 'em.

would beccy like it if you bummed/fucked her by "surprise", just for giggles??
homosexuality and paedophilia are similar only in so far that they are a sexual preference. Studies have shown that most paedos, just like gays and hetrosexual people dont decide who they are sexually attracted to.

so in that sense a NON OFFENDING paedo is no different cognitively to a heterosexual or gay person. As long as a paedo keeps his sexual activity confined to wanking from his own thoughts then who are we to question him???

The fundamental difference is that sex with children is and always will be illegal, so any practicing paedo must by definition be breaking the law. Those who choose to watch child porn are also breaking the law and should be prosecuted because behind every child porn film is a child being abused.

It is highly recognised in almost ALL medical and legal circles that sexual abuse/rape of children causes significant psychological and physical injury that can last a lifetime, therefore any paedo who chooses to actually offend is also evil. To do something to satisfy your own desires while knowing its hurting others is inherently wrong in almost all societys and moral codes.

Sexual abuse/rape is just as serious regardless of gender/sexuality/sexual preference.

Being gay was classified as a mental disorder in most countrys for hundreds of years and its only in the last 50 years or so that the development of psychology has come to understand about sexuality as a function of society rather than a disorder.

Remember that even now, one of the key criteria in diagnosing behaviour as a mental illness/disorder is the ruling out of socially/culturally accepted behaviours. As our society has grown to accept being gay as acceptable, then by definition it cannot on its own be a mental disorder. hence the fact in most modern countrys, being gay is no longer a mental disorder.

But being gay DOES mean you are several times more likely to suffer mental illness/suicide than the average population. I suspect thats due to the practical fact that despite on paper gays being acceptable, the reality is quite different. Although things are improving slowly.

Being gay was illegal in almost ALL countrys at one point. Again its only in relatively recent times that homosexuality has been decriminalised. There are still many backwards/african countrys that being gay is still illegal and can even carry the death penalty.

So in that sense being gay and being a paedo were similar in the past, both legal and medical sense. You cant deny the history of the world. Doesnt make it right though and in our modern times most people can recognise that a consensual gay relationship is not harmful to anyone where as a paedo raping children IS harmful!

Dancossie who decides whats right and wrong??? historically society has been governed by morals and laws based on religion and thats more or less what decides right from wrong. Thats a simple fact.

Most of the main religions oppose homosexuality and even anal sex if you look into the literal meaning of the texts/scriptures. And with historically our laws and morals being based firmly on religious teachings is it any wonder that being gay was banned??

Remember in christianity and islam anal sex and homosexuality was known as "sodomy" based on the word "sodom". Sodom was a city destroyed by God because of the immorality and sins of the population within them, so over time sinning and in particular sexual deviancy (of which anal and being gay was considered at the time) became associated with the word sodom.

Also remember the sheer power religion had over people back then!! Just look at the sheer power religion still holds today!! remember these people believed thier preachers so when they get told that god destroyed the city of sinners, theyd be very afraid of the same happening to them if they sin.

Obviously times have changed.

Just as we realised witches dont exist and hence dont have to burn people for acting wierd, we also now realise that gays arent dangerous or bad.

 

Are you referring to me as ignorant or the op?

 

As per Warren's comments, being Gay just rules you out of the gene pool, so evolution wise its just natures way of saying that your particular gene's arent needed anymore.

Apparently in the case of familes with lots of brothers its very very common for the youngest brothers to be gay, maybe this is natures way of stopping too many of one genepool ending up in a small area, as that would then increase the chance of interbreeding.

Thats all irrelevant these days though, sex these days is little to do with procreation and everything to do with recreaction.
Personally I think male homosexuality is a great thing, it means less competition for the birds for the rest of us

 

I think there are loads of users on this thread who need to come out of the closet

 

Not crossed that line yet dan as ive been with amanda 12 years and getting married in 2 so he woould be gutted to say the least

I have experienced this situation, and know what im talking about to a extent

 

Dave...
I havent said it is normal or not normal mate....as no one has the right to decide what is and what isnt in my mind.

However i didnt deny what i was i just merely didnt tell everyone...i didnt know it was a common rule to introduce someone as 'Hi im dan im gay' or 'Hi im Dave and im straight' lol.......... my reasons for not telling anyone was mostly due to the fear of being shunned by your friends and even your family and you will never know peoples reactions until you do tell them....and remember to get ignored by friends and family over something you have no real control over is very confusing...its not like your family not talking to you as you have commited a crime etc

 

Well its "normal" for an animal to want to stay alive, and for its genes to stay alive.
As far as nature is concerned homosexuality is abnormal, and also based on the law in some countries and most religions.

Personally I think that NONE of that matters and I just base my opinion on things that are more important than if you would sooner stick your cock up a blokes arse or a birds arse anyway, like stength of character and pleasantness of personality (hence I am very pleased to call alex a friend of mind and couldnt care less that his partner is a bloke), but I dont see why anyone gay would be offended at being told its not normal behaviour sexually, surely thats obvious?


Its properly harsh the reception some people get when they come out, its amazing how even in the 21st century people are still so judgemental over something so trivial.
I do understand the dissapointment from a parent that they will never have grandkids etc, but beyond that its all totally irrational!

 

Generally its those that make the above statement who are seeking approval to "come out" as you say.

I think we have an amber light here people

 

Thats the first thing my mum said. And to see the disapointment on her face was something i NEVER want to see again

 

They do for most people mate....there are obviosuly the camp brigade that adore them as gods lol...but most people do hate them (including me )

 

Same with AlexF, he apparently likes sticking his cock into men, but he's certainly not camp or poofy

 

Warren - good points well made!

I'd be interested to read the info you have seen on the genetics vs environment for the reason for homosexuality.

Its a topic that I find interesting from the obvious personal point of view. I am 100% sure I am gay - in the same way many guys don't want to have sex with a guy I absolutely have no interest in girls... I explain this to people how ask as reversing the polarity of a battery LOL

There are no environmental factors in my upbringing to suggest why I am gay. I had a totally normal childhood, no other gay people in the family, no abuse or emotional stress.

As there are no other gay people in the family - I doubt the genetic possibility, as I for one won't be reproducing... so following this logic it should be a tiny percentage of the population!

On that subject its not a tiny percentage either - there are huge numbers of people who class themselves as bi-sexual and will cheat on their wife with a man!!! You'd be surprised the number of straight guys who have occasional gay sex LOL

I personally believe its to do with hormones during pregnancy.

Alex

 

In answer to one of the previous questions, if my son told me he was gay i would probably faint then tell him to make sure he finds a rich guy to keep him becuause. It might be an advantage because there ain't many rich bitches about to keep us straight guys

Then again if he came home and told me he was gay then was going to party at Michael Barrymore's then i would not be happy.

 

Why not Barrymore is a rich man

 

Well i never thought of it that way, i would just made sure he took his water wings.

 

So here's another thought for you lot....

What if your DAUGHTER turns out gay?
And I don't mean in the pretty femine porno sence LOL

 

Yeah, he sold me a fucked car because I'm gay


JOKE before you get arsy


I've met Lee - A decent chap he is too - even offerend me in for coffee

 

Yes im that homophobic i cut the brake lines bloody thing still didnt crash

 

not you...as you answered

 

Barrymore is 6'2" tall , he could of walked to the deep end

 

If my son or daughter came out as being gay , I would not disown them , sure its not what I would want for them , aslong as they were happy then I would accept it.

It would certainly take a bit of getting used to.

 

Thats the main reason i dont think its good for gay couples to have kids in our society yet. The abuse the kid gets for having gay parents would far outwiegh the fact they may well be good parents.

The sad thing is this country is due to the mess its in, going backwards in terms of equality as hating on any form of minority has become a easy scapegoat for the disheartened poorly educated working/benefit class's. Sad really!! The laws exist to stop it but we all know laws and reality are two different things.

Some of the other european countrys are much more liberal than us and i dont see a problem with it there, although theres the obvious ethical issues of the fact that biologically its just not possible to have 2 dads/2 mums etc. I know they have experimented with inserting genes into eggs etc but its not really mainstream other than for the conventional IVF type treatments. We are a long way of being able to construct a fertilised egg having chosen which genes we want in it!! Major ethical issues too.

theres tons of stuff under both mental health and childhood development/behavioural psychology about genetics/upbringing or nature/nurture as they tend to call it.

There tends to be 3 trains of thought, those who think its nature, those who say nurture and those who say a combination of the two. Personally i think its a combination of the two to a greater or lesser extent.

This is just one example of a paper on the subject: http://allpsych.com/journal/homosexuality.html

Theres loads out there even just using google!!
Genetics isnt that simple, you can have mutliple recessive genes etc meaning you need the right combination of genes. So saying your family werent gay doesnt really mean much. Also remember the further back in history you go, the less acceptable homosexuality was and hence the likely hood of people having fake relationships to try to conform etc. Its still quite common for men in middle age to come out as gay despite being married with kids etc!

On the environmental side there is evidence to suggest that upbringing can affect sexuality BUT the level of research is mostly based on Childhood abuse, especially sexual abuse. As yet there are very very few gay couples with kids and even fewer studies into statistics on being gay if your bought up by gay parents.

Most of the current studies focus on the effects of abuse in early childhood screwing up a childs belief system and perception of normality. eg for boys abused by men at a young age its well documented that it screws up sense of sexuality as at a too young age they are introduced to the idea of sex being possible with men where as in normal development a child wouldnt have a concept of sexual behaviour/sexuality etc until much later. Also theres issues of trust in such abused children where thier minds can in effect "write off" a whole group of soceity eg men/females as a threat and hence that can effect a developing childs belief system and later on thier sexuality.

There is emerging belief that a persons core belief system is finalised by the time they are about 6 or 7 as certain physical links are made in the brain before that age. hence a lot of research has shown that very young abuse/neglect/poor role models can cause irreversable damage where as older instances of abuse more effect enduring habits /thinking patterns which ultimately can with enough effort be changed.

How much wieght that theory grows is debatable as ultimately if its considered accurate then by its very definition you would end up "writing off" those with early abuse/bad early childhoods as unfixable or untreatable. And thats yet another ethical minefield!!

Again genetics isnt that simple. eg certain genetic disorders occur at roughly the same percentage in subsequent generations regardless of the fact those disorders are severly life shortening/cause infertility.

Bisexuality in a evolutionary sense is irrelevant just as is the concept of sex for pleasure.

Hormones during pregnancy maybe, but how would that as a mechanism change your sexuality?? are we saying the hormones cause changes at a genetic level or is it size/shape/composition of the brain structure in an area that governs sexuality???

They just dont have a clue yet how deep this stuff goes really. Its just speculation, probablitity etc.