MadMac

Looking at buying the internals for my zetec conversion. All I have at the moment is a standard early mondeo 2.0 zetec with FRST inletmanifold and beige injectors.

As I'm gonna be turboing it, want to reduce the compression so I can run a reasonable ammount of boost, but what pistons and rods should I use?

Got to bare in mind that I'm going for silly power and most likely will not want to take the engine out to get the rods and pistons done again.

So who recommends what and where can I get it

Stavros

What you mean by "silly power"

RANJ

mountune for the pistons and rods

Stavros

Somehow i cant see mountune being the most cost effective solution for MadMac

MadMac

Well Silly power as in as much as I can eventually get from a 2.0 zetec. 350+

Who sells montune gear then?

SimonT

Speak to Sunny or Ian H direct mate!

Arias pistons i think

Stavros

Mountune sells mountune gear, unfortunatley mountune dont make their own gear, they get other companys to.

Why dont you just go buy a car thats easy to get 350bhp+ from in the first place rather than fuck about starting from scratch and spending a fortune to make an a car that cant handle the power it produces

MadMac

Cus it will be fun

Phil

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Same could be said for your Skyline then...

Why not buy a Macca F1 LM that is built to handle 600bhp rather than some old Datsun

Fudgey

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get em cheaper from the USA, and if your spending the cash, go 2.1

RANJ

mountune are not that expensive

PhilM

Stu, catch me on MSN sometime if you like id be happy to assist

MadMac

Nice one phil just haven't looked into it much and when you do, there is a tonne of stuff out there, and all the sales stuff is shite just need to know from the people in the know

RANJ

spk with sunny or ian h if ur serious

MadMac

serious mate, its just hit the point where the car is off for painting, I'll soon have a bare shell back waiting for the engine to go in, so I'm starting to look about for the bits I need to start doing it, want to get someone to build the engine, just dunno who is gonna do that either

Stavros

Shatit you fookin spacco What a gay reply

I meant why spend all the money (hes starting from scratch so WONT be cheap) and still end up with a car that has fuck all traction or handling.

IMO hed be better off starting with a Cossie or a SX or dare say it, a Scooby.

GTRs were built for GrpA (My one was the part of the first set made for homologation reasons) and were made to handle 650bhp in GrpA form, and reason i got one, and reason they do so well, as they are about the best allround base for mental power there is for any remotley sensible amount of money.

Only reason i got rid of the Cossie as it worked out all round better for the cash for the performance (not power, performance, 2 VERY different things) i wanted for me to get the GTR rather than keep spending on the cossie.

Only reason for any car in my eyes is performance per pound, i buy with my head not my heart.

WTF you mention macca F1s for? Yea, they greeeat value for money

And why mention 600bhp? Be closer if you turned the 6 the other way round.

"old datsun" from someone who had a shonky old saff and now a 1970s escort shell

MadMac

for the day crew

big_wig_074

hows this?check the prices!!!
http://www.focus-central.com/catalog/default.asp?sid=

MadMac

Yeah I saw them, but have heard the the FC pistons arn't to reliable.

Porkie

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Phil you have just had some serious ammo unloaded in your ass

and not in the way you normally like either

Ginge !

stu focuscentral pistons will be fine mate, just get a decent mapper to sort it, besides tbh 350bhp in a fwd car is pointless, especially in a cabrio


oh and why not get a 1.8 escort inlet manifold as ya need the sump of a 1.8 escort anyway and thats a direct fitment


think steve has got a very good point !!!!!

hence why i never finished my cabrio, too much money for what i was gonna get in return

oh and if ya do decide to get a 350bhp cabrio, get a prgressive boost controller,NOT a manual that make the boost come in with a bang

Porkie

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NO it won't, it will be a pointless waste of money and time... just get a decent car in the first place and enjoy that!

and sorry but 350bhp is hardly silly power from a Zetec is it? What did Lewis have with standard internals!

Sunnys WILL be silly power

big_wig_074

http://www.overboost.com/obs/product...ons%20&%20Rods

http://www.overboost.com/obs/product...ons%20&%20Rods


http://www.overboost.com/obs/product...ons%20&%20Rods

MadMac

Yeah what power will he be running? 500 or 600?

ginge if your talking about traction I was thinking of solving that problem with a longer ratio box, will slow the acceleration down, but will mean it would be easier to keep traction and will give a higher top speed. but not sure how practical this would be.

See these Aftermarket ECU's with traction control built into them, but dunno how you would implement that on a mk4 cabby and throttle controled TC is just a waste of time, unless someone else thinks differently.

I'm gonna wait till I have lost my points (2008) before going for a "proper" car.

RANJ

his old engine was 500, new one wil be alot more

propper cgi block new crank/rods/pistons, diff head/cams/maniflds/turbo and sm4 autronic

Ginge !

stu taction control cuts the power , progressive boost controller like the blitz id3( like what i got ) and used in conjunction with the blitz id3 power meter ( oh look i got one of them aswell ) will allow ya to set the boost up for different wheel speeds, ie no full boost at 10mph ect

thats what ya want matey

RANJ

or just buy an eboost with gear selectable boost

Ginge !

ok how does a eboost connect to the gear box ???

just wondering as the power meter ont he blitz is sooo easy even i can do it

Stavros

Mac- No matter what box n diff you use, no matter what TC, no matter anything, it still will be bad, esp in a cabby, and 350bhp isnt all that mental anyhow, not enough to set the world alight, but enough to cost a fortune and make it pretty undrivable.
I mean, a high power FWD lights em up in 3rd with ease in the dry, so what you saying, have 1st as long as 3rd, 2nd as long as 4th, and so on? NO, cause if you thought about all this properly youl see that longer gears wont make much bloody difference, youl either be slow by wheelspin, or slow by driving round with horrendously high gearing (may as well just drive round in 4th n 5th, same effect).

Sunny is doing it as his WILL be special, and he has loads of cash to waste on things like that. Hes not stupid, hes doing it to be a FWD record breaker, he would use RWD or 4x4 if he didnt want it FWD for a REASON.

If your declaring that mods to the insurance itd be as expensive as a "proper" car anyhow, and if your not, why not start with a base car that HAS potential (like somthing thats not FWD, like a sierra shell) and go from there.

If you wanna be different, get any old sierra shell, XR4 susp, Cossie Box, diff, and Brakes, Std 302ci Windsor V8, and a twin turbo blow thru carb setup. 500bhp/500lb/ft+ with ease and much cheapness.

Your talking Autronic, steel rods, forged pistons, blah blah, 1000s and 1000s of pounds in a shonky old FWD girls car, and still wont be that special or fast, and youl seriously regret it.

Its different if you already halfway there, its different if you wernt spending loads, its different if it was going to be somthing special with a point to prove, but none of the above apply so it makes no sence.

Your crazy mate, if you got cash to spend on having fun, do it wisely

big_wig_074

crush those dreams of his steve!!!heheheh!!!!

you been to thirteen(ponanas) on a tuesday night before mate?went last week,was ok fit birds and some pretty good music(shocking dj tho,i could mix better with an old tape player!)

big_wig_074

http://www.focus-power.com/view.php?showme=Short_Blocks

this looks a good deal,can have wrc blocks the lot!

Porkie

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Insuring a SERIOUSLY modified car will surely be as expensive as insuring a BETTER and nicer normal car won't it mac?

SimonT

Stu mate - why do you think me and jim both gave up on zetec turbo projects? Its not worth the money mate.

Jims got his "proper" car coming soon and I've......erm....Still got my fiesta!!

But if its what you wanna do mate then go for it! Fair play to anyone who sticks to a plan!

MadMac

Ahhh I dunno mate, dont wanna just get rid of it as I have spent so long on it in the past already and kinda attached to it. Just really want a 350-400bhp escort cabby.

Stavros

Poooh na na is shocking mate, hate the place, its like where everyone who got bullied at school all go together so they fit in and all seem as cool as everyone else in the club, reaaaly dont liek the place.

If its Tursday night you should be in Niche, thats where all the fit birds are.

The gameplan for fit birds is Monday dont bother unless your a girl as its all men Tuesday dont bother. Wednesday Glos/Interaction. Thursday Niche. Friday Glos/everywhere. Saturday Niche. Sunday Jumpin Jacks.

Truble is cause of money n work i hardly ever get to go out weekdays, just Fri/Sat/Sun

Stavros

Why tho?

Ginge !

why do ya feel ya need 350bhp though ?????

i know its a nice figure for the bottom of ya reg plate ect but tbh a standard zetec engine like philm's or lewis will be more than powerfull enough, are ya more into motorway driving or short country roads ect

tbh im thinking of seriously dithcing the cossie and going back to a hairdressers car but only cause my cabrio is practically mint, rust free and has still got most the stuff on it, just needs a engine and i gopt a well and truely sorted car

its down to you mate but remember i only payed 600 notes for my full service history, new engined ( which i ripped straight out anyway ) tennis cabrio with kit, bonnet and half leathers, thats not a rare price either, if ya paitent like i was ya will find em

think sell the cabby on and buy a car already done and then have fun


have ya seen that giy selling jons2erst's car for sale, 4250 for a complete car !!!!, all done, get in and drive away

Porkie

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No, you 'THINK' thats what you want....

Will be an absolute money pit SHED! and will never work properly...

Sorry, just trying to help YOU!!!

I WISH someone would have told me to have just bought a GT3 or a Radical or a Caterham AND an Exige instead of a 600bhp Sierra....

AND I STILL LIKE MY SIERRA coz its cool and FAST! Your car won't be.....

MadMac

Cus its something nobody else has.

I understand what you guys are trying to say, but I just have a severe mental block when it comes to get rid of it.

And Ginge the shell I have for the cabby is mint, not a spot of rust on it.

And another annoying thing I have found is that local council wont tow away a shell

But if Sunny can make a stupid fast FWD car, I dont see why I can't!! Just in a cabby and not quite as fast.

Ginge !

steve ya not far off with that discription of a a decent week out on the piss

monday: football in the pub,
tuesday no fooker goes out and even the pubs are boring , family night ,
wednesday is a ok night have a laugh adn a curry with the lads
thursday ive found are really good nights for some reason

then the weekend except for sunday is the ALLday in the pub and have a good time then finish at 10pm with a chinese


ahhhh to be young again , missed them days