Magnetic sump plugs for a fiver!
13-01-2010, 08:18 PM
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im just saying id be more worried about where the swarf has actually came from and why as my filter not caught it either..... it seems too much like the turbo pre filters that dont filter as good as the general oil filter,,,, which ill let you decide on that
i aint bothered with one on my car and,, well i dont have any swarf in my oil thats killed my engine
i aint bothered with one on my car and,, well i dont have any swarf in my oil thats killed my engine
13-01-2010, 08:26 PM
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these plugs are defo a good idea many of the fine metal particles in your engine are smaller than 30 microns and this magnet will grab them which can only increase engine life, another reason for them being a good idea is that without them you are only relying on the oil filter to get them and to get to the filter they have to pass through the oil pump first!!
13-01-2010, 08:30 PM
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these plugs are defo a good idea many of the fine metal particles in your engine are smaller than 30 microns and this magnet will grab them which can only increase engine life, another reason for them being a good idea is that without them you are only relying on the oil filter to get them and to get to the filter they have to pass through the oil pump first!!
13-01-2010, 08:30 PM
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nope they have a different type of oil, different oil grade and aint got the same job as engine oil has as such,,,, its just cogs and different bearings that they lubricate,,,,, ever wondered why they dont have filters ?
auto boxes have filters and some boxes have oil coolers and pumps,,,, as they NEED them
car companys test cars to some of the harsh standards we would NEVER see and make there choices from there,,,, im about to take a gearbox out of my subaru,,,, wonder if that was oil contamination or if it was just a bearing failure/burnt bearing thats broken down over the last 10k that killed it,,,,, would a magnetic sump have solved that issue i wonder,,, well actually im sure my subaru has one fitted to it from the factory though not strong enough maybe
i would recomend these for scalectric car sumps though,, save you loosing a car under the welsh dresser again on the bends perhaps
13-01-2010, 08:34 PM
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it would be interesting to know the specification on these £5 ones as i've seen demos of the more expensive ones , bout £17, and they are VASTLY superior.
the trouble with the cheaper ones is when the oil is hot they lose there ability to hold onto the previously 'caught' fragment let alone attract more!
i'd be willing to pay £17 each for the pucker ones and get enough for gearbox and diffs etc!!!
the trouble with the cheaper ones is when the oil is hot they lose there ability to hold onto the previously 'caught' fragment let alone attract more!
i'd be willing to pay £17 each for the pucker ones and get enough for gearbox and diffs etc!!!
13-01-2010, 08:35 PM
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these plugs are defo a good idea many of the fine metal particles in your engine are smaller than 30 microns and this magnet will grab them which can only increase engine life, another reason for them being a good idea is that without them you are only relying on the oil filter to get them and to get to the filter they have to pass through the oil pump first!!
think about it,,,,, they work really well,,,,,, im sure LOADS of failed engines have collected loads of swarf when taken apart for inspection....... i recon a oil pressure gauge is also a better option,,,, and they are sort of pointless as when the oil looses presure its cause its fucked also and its just telling you its fucked
13-01-2010, 08:36 PM
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it would be interesting to know the specification on these £5 ones as i've seen demos of the more expensive ones , bout £17, and they are VASTLY superior.
the trouble with the cheaper ones is when the oil is hot they lose there ability to hold onto the previously 'caught' fragment let alone attract more!
i'd be willing to pay £17 each for the pucker ones and get enough for gearbox and diffs etc!!!
the trouble with the cheaper ones is when the oil is hot they lose there ability to hold onto the previously 'caught' fragment let alone attract more!
i'd be willing to pay £17 each for the pucker ones and get enough for gearbox and diffs etc!!!
13-01-2010, 08:37 PM
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As an engine tuner msd, i am VERY surprised to see you selling these not needed items. BUT i really admire your business sense. Money talks and if stupid people buy and i guess you sold a lot on the strength of who you are then BIG UP, but to some you are simply exploiting the dumb.
13-01-2010, 08:43 PM
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mate most of the tuning world is based on money im afraid,,,, people sell the wrong stuff to people all the time to get rich,,,, its called capitalism, hes selling what HE belives in,,,, hes not selling something he dont belive in so give him some credit,,,,, besides if you could have sold these for 17 quid each would you ???
garages charge 1 hours labour for jobs that take a few moments,,,, ive seen garages charge for jobs they aint even done just cause the problem it came in with as dissapeared !!!...... thats a different subject though
garages charge 1 hours labour for jobs that take a few moments,,,, ive seen garages charge for jobs they aint even done just cause the problem it came in with as dissapeared !!!...... thats a different subject though
13-01-2010, 08:45 PM
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13-01-2010, 08:59 PM
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fair enough, i forgot about there being that many on the 4x4's. i do agree about the filler plug. what is that gonna catch?
13-01-2010, 09:38 PM
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I have genuinely LOL @ some of the uneducated comments on this topic. 
To respond to a couple...
Some simple questions for you to consider...
What causes wear in a hydroscopic bearing?
How does an oil pump usually wear out and Is it usually before or after the oil filter?
Why do high end cars like Porsche's still have magnetic sump plugs?
Are the manufacturers idiots?
Why is there metal in the oil? Why doesnt the filter grab it?
As for gearbox's and diff's not needing them, why do they allready have them AS STANDARD? Come on guys... thats not even worth arguing!
To respond to a couple...Some simple questions for you to consider...
What causes wear in a hydroscopic bearing?
How does an oil pump usually wear out and Is it usually before or after the oil filter?
Why do high end cars like Porsche's still have magnetic sump plugs?
Are the manufacturers idiots?
Why is there metal in the oil? Why doesnt the filter grab it?
As for gearbox's and diff's not needing them, why do they allready have them AS STANDARD? Come on guys... thats not even worth arguing!
13-01-2010, 11:02 PM
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What causes wear in a hydroscopic bearing?
How does an oil pump usually wear out and Is it usually before or after the oil filter?
Why do high end cars like Porsche's still have magnetic sump plugs?
Are the manufacturers idiots?
Are the manufacturers idiots?
Why is there metal in the oil? Why doesnt the filter grab it?
As for gearbox's and diff's not needing them, why do they allready have them AS STANDARD?
13-01-2010, 11:14 PM
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I can see this going on Jeremy Kyle
[Jeremy Kyle Voice]Does Stu's nut work as good as the rest of them? or is that just bollocks. Lie detector results coming up.[Jeremy Kyle Voice Off]
[Jeremy Kyle Voice]Does Stu's nut work as good as the rest of them? or is that just bollocks. Lie detector results coming up.[Jeremy Kyle Voice Off]
13-01-2010, 11:20 PM
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I have genuinely LOL @ some of the uneducated comments on this topic. To respond to a couple...
Some simple questions for you to consider...
What causes wear in a hydroscopic bearing?
How does an oil pump usually wear out and Is it usually before or after the oil filter?
Why do high end cars like Porsche's still have magnetic sump plugs?
Are the manufacturers idiots?
Why is there metal in the oil? Why doesnt the filter grab it?
As for gearbox's and diff's not needing them, why do they allready have them AS STANDARD? Come on guys... thats not even worth arguing!
To respond to a couple...Some simple questions for you to consider...
What causes wear in a hydroscopic bearing?
How does an oil pump usually wear out and Is it usually before or after the oil filter?
Why do high end cars like Porsche's still have magnetic sump plugs?
Are the manufacturers idiots?
Why is there metal in the oil? Why doesnt the filter grab it?
As for gearbox's and diff's not needing them, why do they allready have them AS STANDARD? Come on guys... thats not even worth arguing!
14-01-2010, 02:22 AM
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i have a cheap ebay one in my zetec turbo, and after a 1000miles i done a oil change to have a look at it, looked like a hedgehog with all the metal on it !
in my opinion its better to be stuck on the plug than floating around in your engine??
in my opinion its better to be stuck on the plug than floating around in your engine??
14-01-2010, 02:36 AM
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i havnt read most of this thread but my opion is if you need a magnetic sump plug to collect engine swarp, you need a serious look at your engine. a diff is a different ball park
14-01-2010, 04:02 AM
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I'm a neutral as I have two cossies, but no magnetic sump plugs... However, I DO work in aviation engineering, maintaing jet engines. There is not an engine out there that does not have magnetic plugs in the oil system.
They exist for two reasons, one is early failure indication, as they are checked every xxx flying hours for contamination ( time depends on aircraft). The second is to hold the debris that is the result of internal damage of any wear, to prevent any further damage from the "snowball" effect.
On a car engine, remember the oil pump is generally before the filter, so any nastys floating round will go through thefine tolerences of the oil pump before the filter.
No one is saying they are vital, but IMHO is a nice little cheap product to monitor your engines health at service time, and maybe even prevent further damage from anything it picks up... It might just save a catastrophic failure at a later date.
On another note, do you ever cut open your oil and fuel filters and inspect them for debris? They can be excellent indicators of each respective systems health for five mins work!
They exist for two reasons, one is early failure indication, as they are checked every xxx flying hours for contamination ( time depends on aircraft). The second is to hold the debris that is the result of internal damage of any wear, to prevent any further damage from the "snowball" effect.
On a car engine, remember the oil pump is generally before the filter, so any nastys floating round will go through thefine tolerences of the oil pump before the filter.
No one is saying they are vital, but IMHO is a nice little cheap product to monitor your engines health at service time, and maybe even prevent further damage from anything it picks up... It might just save a catastrophic failure at a later date.
On another note, do you ever cut open your oil and fuel filters and inspect them for debris? They can be excellent indicators of each respective systems health for five mins work!
14-01-2010, 07:20 AM
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http://outboundlink.net/out.php?cid=...r-a-fiver.html
i have one of these sump plugs and i boiled it in water and and picked it up with pliers and it held shit loads of cutlery at 100degrees very impressive... but, my only concern was it didnt have many threads but its been fine on my engine... delivery is about 5 to 7 working days...
i have one of these sump plugs and i boiled it in water and and picked it up with pliers and it held shit loads of cutlery at 100degrees very impressive... but, my only concern was it didnt have many threads but its been fine on my engine... delivery is about 5 to 7 working days...
04-02-2010, 10:16 PM
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erm you sure about that,,, and do you know how small 30 microns actually is ?
think about it,,,,, they work really well,,,,,, im sure LOADS of failed engines have collected loads of swarf when taken apart for inspection....... i recon a oil pressure gauge is also a better option,,,, and they are sort of pointless as when the oil looses presure its cause its fucked also and its just telling you its fucked
think about it,,,,, they work really well,,,,,, im sure LOADS of failed engines have collected loads of swarf when taken apart for inspection....... i recon a oil pressure gauge is also a better option,,,, and they are sort of pointless as when the oil looses presure its cause its fucked also and its just telling you its fucked
as for the oil pressure guage idea yes its good to have one for monitoring your engine condition however when you notice the oil pressure getting weaker this is a sign of the damage already being done!
im not trying to say one of these plugs will stop that ever happening just that for the price they are a worthy investment to slow down engine wear
04-02-2010, 10:19 PM
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Except for the millions of engine that have... like Minis with A-Series engines.....
05-02-2010, 06:07 AM
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05-02-2010, 08:34 AM
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As an engine tuner msd, i am VERY surprised to see you selling these not needed items. BUT i really admire your business sense. Money talks and if stupid people buy and i guess you sold a lot on the strength of who you are then BIG UP, but to some you are simply exploiting the dumb.
Your basis for this assumption is what exactly?
Have you worked for a major tuning company yourself? Or better still a manufacturer?
05-02-2010, 09:38 AM
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They are cheaper here if you want a cheap one guys:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Magnetic-Drain...item518ed34fb0 Not bad supply times either as I ordered from them during testing.
Also, a few members on here have taken those out and fitted mine, so a quick ad in wanted section may get you a used one even cheaper!
As for why was Aaroncasts post deleted, its simple. He was banned and made a new username to cause trouble. I dont care about competition at all, if people want to compete on quality or price then bring it on, I welcome it.
Ref the oil temperature test, dont forget that you need MOVING oil to test it as the magnets strength doesnt dissipate totally it is just heavily reduced above 80C. Its moving oil and high G force that throws the contaminant off it.
For reference, our magnets are the new N45SH High temp Neodymium magnets which only very recently became manufacturable to us. There is no stronger High temp Neodymium magnet on the market today.
All magnetic drain plugs are not created equal and one should examine and see how powerful a Dimple® drain plug is to fully understand it's potential to rid your oil of contaminants. As with most things, you get what you pay for.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Magnetic-Drain...item518ed34fb0 Not bad supply times either as I ordered from them during testing.
Also, a few members on here have taken those out and fitted mine, so a quick ad in wanted section may get you a used one even cheaper!
As for why was Aaroncasts post deleted, its simple. He was banned and made a new username to cause trouble. I dont care about competition at all, if people want to compete on quality or price then bring it on, I welcome it.
Ref the oil temperature test, dont forget that you need MOVING oil to test it as the magnets strength doesnt dissipate totally it is just heavily reduced above 80C. Its moving oil and high G force that throws the contaminant off it.
For reference, our magnets are the new N45SH High temp Neodymium magnets which only very recently became manufacturable to us. There is no stronger High temp Neodymium magnet on the market today.
All magnetic drain plugs are not created equal and one should examine and see how powerful a Dimple® drain plug is to fully understand it's potential to rid your oil of contaminants. As with most things, you get what you pay for.
I myself when I build my YB for the saph, will be putting one of Stu's plugs in the car, as £17 for a product which can provide a little extra peace of mind in a 2k+ engine build seams worthwhile, Sure I can go out and get things cheaper from elsewhere, but at the end of the day, £17 is 1% of the engines cost. I dont understand what the problem is, Stu's plug has proved itself in tests (admittedly in a environment controlled by Stu), yet people still slate it. He is in business with the end goal of making a profit and not being friends with all of us, thats just a by-product
05-02-2010, 10:12 AM
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Well, they only engineered the car for lets say 150000 miles. Plenty enough as they only give a two-year warranty. Since it will easily do this mileage without a magnetic sump plug and most manufacturers are run by tight-arse accountants, they obviously didn't fit one. Even though they knew it makes sense to have one from an engineering point of view.
05-02-2010, 02:41 PM
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cant believe how some people think engines dont wear because they have oil in . why do engines wear? these microns add up and you may aswell be using wet and dry paper lol. yes a filter works well and regular oil changes but when you drain that sump i bet hald of swarf settles and sticks to bottom of the sump where the magnet will keep hold of them so come out with the oil change.
. why do engines wear? these microns add up and you may aswell be using wet and dry paper lol. yes a filter works well and regular oil changes but when you drain that sump i bet hald of swarf settles and sticks to bottom of the sump where the magnet will keep hold of them so come out with the oil change.
06-02-2010, 09:57 PM
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Yep, lots and lots of metal parts moving against each other = wear = some metal in the oil. Why not catch what the filter doesn't it can't hurt
And yes, my Porsche had a magnetic sump and transaxle plug, and my RV8 and LT77 box both have a magnetic plugs so not sure where this stuff about manufacturers not fitting them comes from.
And yes, my Porsche had a magnetic sump and transaxle plug, and my RV8 and LT77 box both have a magnetic plugs so not sure where this stuff about manufacturers not fitting them comes from.
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