whats the greatest car engine ever
08-01-2010, 03:19 PM
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08-01-2010, 06:26 PM
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can somebody explain how a push rod engine works please 
what car was the 'conventy climax' engine in?
i think that engine wins just for the name though
i beleive it was the delta s4 that had a supercharger and a turbocharger!? pretty impressive to me
or a old F1 engine, 1300cc and 1100 or more bhp
i like cars with zetecs though, just so versitile to tune
what car was the 'conventy climax' engine in?
i think that engine wins just for the name though
i beleive it was the delta s4 that had a supercharger and a turbocharger!? pretty impressive to me
or a old F1 engine, 1300cc and 1100 or more bhp
i like cars with zetecs though, just so versitile to tune
08-01-2010, 08:51 PM
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[QUOTE=Mondeo Man;4630335]
I never said it doesn't exist. You've seen 1 swift engine, and how many S2000's?
I know the bhp per litre is 22 less than the swift, but this is bound to happen as said in my other post which you ignored. The higher the capacity the less power it will make per litre, unless you have more cylinders. I mentioned bike engines as the swift engine is around the same capacity, which takes away from the swifts amazingness as all engines found in bikes similar to the said same capacity make it look weak in comparison. Luckily they were fitted in car's which makes them "car engines" now so I can mention them in this thread. But still I don't regard them as been the best engine. As they'll last about as long as your mondeo's bumpers.
I've never seen 1 Clearly It cannot exist then, I apologize , if it wasn't snowing I could go out in the S2000. I'm sorry I appear to have misunderstood the thread title, I must have missed the part where it says 'best ever car engine that is available right now to RickyLee' Have you ever seen a swift with the said engine? Yes, altho at the time I didnt realise what it was, however you are free to view one on youtube any time you like
Its an amazing feat. But most bike engines produce 170+bhp. I appear to have misunderstood the title of the thread where it says car engine, i apologize There are bike engines in Caterhams and they've probably sold as many as the swifts have. By your own definition its a bike engine, i refer you again to the thread title which I keep on misunderstanding I doubt the swift would do 200,000 miles. I doubt at Caterham with a bike engine would either, i dont really see your point The S2000 is coming upto 100k with nothing but oil changes. It's never had a SINGLE component replaced. No cambelt or anything.Awesome, only 22bhp per litre to go till it produces as much power per litre as the Suzuki engine [/quote]
Thanks for your input, i'll bear it in mind when I formulate my opinion on what I consider to be the best car engine of all time
Its an amazing feat. But most bike engines produce 170+bhp. I appear to have misunderstood the title of the thread where it says car engine, i apologize There are bike engines in Caterhams and they've probably sold as many as the swifts have. By your own definition its a bike engine, i refer you again to the thread title which I keep on misunderstanding I doubt the swift would do 200,000 miles. I doubt at Caterham with a bike engine would either, i dont really see your point The S2000 is coming upto 100k with nothing but oil changes. It's never had a SINGLE component replaced. No cambelt or anything.Awesome, only 22bhp per litre to go till it produces as much power per litre as the Suzuki engine [/quote]
Thanks for your input, i'll bear it in mind when I formulate my opinion on what I consider to be the best car engine of all time
I never said it doesn't exist. You've seen 1 swift engine, and how many S2000's?
I know the bhp per litre is 22 less than the swift, but this is bound to happen as said in my other post which you ignored. The higher the capacity the less power it will make per litre, unless you have more cylinders. I mentioned bike engines as the swift engine is around the same capacity, which takes away from the swifts amazingness as all engines found in bikes similar to the said same capacity make it look weak in comparison. Luckily they were fitted in car's which makes them "car engines" now so I can mention them in this thread. But still I don't regard them as been the best engine. As they'll last about as long as your mondeo's bumpers.
08-01-2010, 09:50 PM
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I never said it doesn't exist. You've seen 1 swift engine, and how many S2000's?
I know the bhp per litre is 22 less than the swift, but this is bound to happen as said in my other post which you ignored. The higher the capacity the less power it will make per litre, unless you have more cylinders. I mentioned bike engines as the swift engine is around the same capacity, which takes away from the swifts amazingness as all engines found in bikes similar to the said same capacity make it look weak in comparison. Luckily they were fitted in car's which makes them "car engines" now so I can mention them in this thread. But still I don't regard them as been the best engine. As they'll last about as long as your mondeo's bumpers.
The bike engines make fuck all torque and have to rev to 13000+ rpm to make the power, pretty undriveable on the road.
They make shit car engines, even on track IMO, unless you're talking a boosted one so I still fail to see the relevance of bike engines when we're talking about car engines.
I'm not entirely sure how you know anything about the longevity of the swift engine compared to your beloved vtec ( which I also admire ) and the relevance of my ( still intact after 6 years ) bumpers.
I agree its easier to make more power per litre with a smaller engine, however I think its more to do with smaller bores than overall capacity but I stand to be corrected, fact is I dont see anyone else with a car engine @ 1.3 litres making 142bhp per litre either
so to me its a standout engine, not necessarily the best of all time, but no less impressive than any of the others mentioned.
I never said it doesn't exist. You've seen 1 swift engine, and how many S2000's?
I know the bhp per litre is 22 less than the swift, but this is bound to happen as said in my other post which you ignored. The higher the capacity the less power it will make per litre, unless you have more cylinders. I mentioned bike engines as the swift engine is around the same capacity, which takes away from the swifts amazingness as all engines found in bikes similar to the said same capacity make it look weak in comparison. Luckily they were fitted in car's which makes them "car engines" now so I can mention them in this thread. But still I don't regard them as been the best engine. As they'll last about as long as your mondeo's bumpers.
They make shit car engines, even on track IMO, unless you're talking a boosted one so I still fail to see the relevance of bike engines when we're talking about car engines.
I'm not entirely sure how you know anything about the longevity of the swift engine compared to your beloved vtec ( which I also admire ) and the relevance of my ( still intact after 6 years ) bumpers.
I agree its easier to make more power per litre with a smaller engine, however I think its more to do with smaller bores than overall capacity but I stand to be corrected, fact is I dont see anyone else with a car engine @ 1.3 litres making 142bhp per litre either
so to me its a standout engine, not necessarily the best of all time, but no less impressive than any of the others mentioned.
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08-01-2010, 10:18 PM
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[QUOTE=Mondeo Man;4635296]
The bike engines make fuck all torque and have to rev to 13000+ rpm to make the power, pretty undriveable on the road.
They make shit car engines, even on track IMO, unless you're talking a boosted one so I still fail to see the relevance of bike engines when we're talking about car engines.
I'm not entirely sure how you know anything about the longevity of the swift engine compared to your beloved vtec ( which I also admire ) and the relevance of my ( still intact after 6 years ) bumpers.
I agree its easier to make more power per litre with a smaller engine, however I think its more to do with smaller bores than overall capacity but I stand to be corrected, fact is I dont see anyone else with a car engine @ 1.3 litres making 142bhp per litre either so to me its a standout engine, not necessarily the best of all time, but no less impressive than any of the others mentioned.
What does the swift engine rev to? I'm guessing its VERY close to 10k, it'll probably have similar torque to a bike engine. Its virtually the same size, its n/a and a low capacity. I haven't googled it, but guess its not a variable valve/timing. So it'll have no more torque than a bike engine of the same CC.
Its easier to make power from a smaller capacity (per cylinder) engine because,
Been a smaller bore size the components can be made lighter, i.e. crank, rods, pistons. So you can rev them higher. The stroke is shorter, (easier to rev higher, lower piston speeds and less side loading factor).
Give your bumpers another couple of years
The bike engines make fuck all torque and have to rev to 13000+ rpm to make the power, pretty undriveable on the road.
They make shit car engines, even on track IMO, unless you're talking a boosted one so I still fail to see the relevance of bike engines when we're talking about car engines.
I'm not entirely sure how you know anything about the longevity of the swift engine compared to your beloved vtec ( which I also admire ) and the relevance of my ( still intact after 6 years ) bumpers.
I agree its easier to make more power per litre with a smaller engine, however I think its more to do with smaller bores than overall capacity but I stand to be corrected, fact is I dont see anyone else with a car engine @ 1.3 litres making 142bhp per litre either
so to me its a standout engine, not necessarily the best of all time, but no less impressive than any of the others mentioned.Its easier to make power from a smaller capacity (per cylinder) engine because,
Been a smaller bore size the components can be made lighter, i.e. crank, rods, pistons. So you can rev them higher. The stroke is shorter, (easier to rev higher, lower piston speeds and less side loading factor).
Give your bumpers another couple of years
08-01-2010, 10:38 PM
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What does the swift engine rev to? I'm guessing its VERY close to 10k, it'll probably have similar torque to a bike engine. Its virtually the same size, its n/a and a low capacity. I haven't googled it, but guess its not a variable valve/timing. So it'll have no more torque than a bike engine of the same CC.
Its easier to make power from a smaller capacity (per cylinder) engine because,
Been a smaller bore size the components can be made lighter, i.e. crank, rods, pistons. So you can rev them higher. The stroke is shorter, (easier to rev higher, lower piston speeds and less side loading factor).
Give your bumpers another couple of years
8800rpm and VVT so you guessed wrong. Hardly anymore than certain Honda engines so unless Honda know some witchcraft that other manufacturers cant possibly know then its hardly a reason for concern, especially as they have history of building high revving bike engines so the technology isnt alien to them, same as HondaI can live with the bumpers whatever may happen as its only my daily hack. But still dont see the correlation between that and the engine?
What does the swift engine rev to? I'm guessing its VERY close to 10k, it'll probably have similar torque to a bike engine. Its virtually the same size, its n/a and a low capacity. I haven't googled it, but guess its not a variable valve/timing. So it'll have no more torque than a bike engine of the same CC.
Its easier to make power from a smaller capacity (per cylinder) engine because,
Been a smaller bore size the components can be made lighter, i.e. crank, rods, pistons. So you can rev them higher. The stroke is shorter, (easier to rev higher, lower piston speeds and less side loading factor).
Give your bumpers another couple of years
09-01-2010, 07:35 AM
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so how are we judging this? road manner? technical improvements? or just the one you like the most? because if its the first two a yb cant be in there lol
09-01-2010, 08:23 AM
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In My Opinion the greatest CAR engine ever should be judged on:
- Reliability
- Flexibility
- Torque Spread
- Power output
- NVH output
- Efficiency
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09-01-2010, 09:55 AM
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In My Opinion the greatest CAR engine ever should be judged on:
- Reliability
- Flexibility
- Torque Spread
- Power output
- NVH output
- Efficiency
09-01-2010, 10:47 AM
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chevy 351 v8.
as regards to run of the mill production engines, the lump they fit into the mitsubishi galant take some beating.
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09-01-2010, 11:44 AM
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09-01-2010, 02:41 PM
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In My Opinion the greatest CAR engine ever should be judged on:
- Reliability
- Flexibility
- Torque Spread
- Power output
- NVH output
- Efficiency
well said mate thats a good list .....an engine with a bit of everything that can handle a mod or two aswell
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Not saying it's at all shabby - in fact I think it must be one of the best production engines ever, in either guise.
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I've turbo'd 180k mile Honda's, there actually better for it. We run 1 bar of boost on a large turbo. They show 16 bar on a compression test!
I'd have to say the Honda B series, you can run double the stock power, which is 100bhp per litre anyway! Then make it 200bhp per litre 20 years down the line! Designed in the late 60's IIRC made in the 80's.
I meant to ask this years ago and might start a thread. I was very young in the late 80's but remember the Sierra Cosworth as been a very fast car. When you look back. a CRX b16 will surely have given them a VERY good run for there money. I.e. 150bhp 850kgs! Vs 204hp and 1250kg's.
I'd have to say the Honda B series, you can run double the stock power, which is 100bhp per litre anyway! Then make it 200bhp per litre 20 years down the line! Designed in the late 60's IIRC made in the 80's.
I meant to ask this years ago and might start a thread. I was very young in the late 80's but remember the Sierra Cosworth as been a very fast car. When you look back. a CRX b16 will surely have given them a VERY good run for there money. I.e. 150bhp 850kgs! Vs 204hp and 1250kg's.
max power of the b16, vs completely bog standard restricted power of the ybb.
1 chip + all essentials = "270-280''. What the standard engine could easily have been sold as.
All internals are steel and mass over engineered, Weak point of yb's are:
early head design exhaust water jackets, Oil lubrication system.
Block cracks around stud holes-waterjacket.
Piston Bore wear = Low engine life.
Block dates back to 70's head design 80's.
1966 cosworth fva 1598 cc 16v 220bhp / 130 lb torque.
which lead to the bda due the harsh sound of valve/cam gear.
1969-1986 bd/ series.
ranging from 120bhp 1.6 mk1 escort rs1600.
bdg 270bhp 2 litre escort rally engine.
to 1.4/1.7 turbos capri zakspeed 460 / 560 bhp on bosch k-jet .
I believe hondas first 16v engine was the d15 series around 1985/86 ? and b series vtec was 89 or something there abouts.?
I owned a zc16, 4gen civic 130bhp. Pretty nippy loved it. good 7 secs to 60 top end 135 easy. I even dropped it into 2nd instead of 4th on the motorway and it didnt do any damage god knows what rpm it hit. Try that in a pinto lol ,,
If you follow fords history they've been there and done it,
The problem is they are nothing new as everyones caught up.
I'll always be a ford nut tho. And I changed my original opinion.
Its gotta be the dfv.
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11-01-2010, 09:34 AM
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