what equipment do you need to map a l6, l8.
17-12-2009, 05:30 PM
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what equipment do you need to map a l6, l8.
never heard of anyone speak of what they use... is it a special device? cd rom? how does it all connect up? not many place car map l8 whys that?
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17-12-2009, 05:45 PM
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17-12-2009, 05:47 PM
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you have to emulate the ecu, in laymans terms you connect the emulator to the ecu, and connect a laptop to the emulator,
this basicly allows the ecu to run from the laptop and it can be adjusted live
afr metering, etc is just normal mapping equipment ,
obviously you can map without this, but you have to guess what to adjust,and write a new chip every time lol. hence the chips from tuners with emulation equipment is usually superior . mapping live is the ultimate though.
this basicly allows the ecu to run from the laptop and it can be adjusted live
afr metering, etc is just normal mapping equipment ,
obviously you can map without this, but you have to guess what to adjust,and write a new chip every time lol. hence the chips from tuners with emulation equipment is usually superior . mapping live is the ultimate though.
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17-12-2009, 06:00 PM
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bought two data mans the other week and one emulator lead for £150
if your on the rollers you can make adjustments pretty easy as you can turn the ignition of and on while the rear wheels are rolling....means you dont waste to many chips..
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if your on the rollers you can make adjustments pretty easy as you can turn the ignition of and on while the rear wheels are rolling....means you dont waste to many chips..
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17-12-2009, 06:41 PM
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Basic stuff you need purely for mapping is an emulator (look at MET-16 emulator's), software to alter the parameter's (you can use WinOLS or TunerPro but you will need the map locations which are on a website somewhere or buy Race 2000 which already has them there) and a laptop. Once you've got the map right you'll then need to burn a chip or go to your local chip-tuner/ remapper and get them to burn the file onto a chip. Awfull lot of work and money for a one off.
Edit: The above is purely for altering the settings, you'll also need all the various monitoring equipment etc... The above programs don't measure pulse width for example
Edit: The above is purely for altering the settings, you'll also need all the various monitoring equipment etc... The above programs don't measure pulse width for example
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17-12-2009, 07:49 PM
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its so drawn out without emmulation, but what you said earlier about emmulated mapping being far superior imo is not fair, we map all webber stuff on the dyno un emmulated (however we now have an emmulator) and its no worse than and emmulated map, it takes longer thats all, and is a bit more difficult
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17-12-2009, 08:06 PM
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easy really, pectel monitor for seeing what pressure line your on in the map, see what afr is, adjust in map, blow chip done,
its so drawn out without emmulation, but what you said earlier about emmulated mapping being far superior imo is not fair, we map all webber stuff on the dyno un emmulated (however we now have an emmulator) and its no worse than and emmulated map, it takes longer thats all, and is a bit more difficult
jim
its so drawn out without emmulation, but what you said earlier about emmulated mapping being far superior imo is not fair, we map all webber stuff on the dyno un emmulated (however we now have an emmulator) and its no worse than and emmulated map, it takes longer thats all, and is a bit more difficult
jim
I would beg to differ on that Jimbo all day long, back to back testing would also prove you wrong.
17-12-2009, 08:12 PM
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Yeah then some guy like me who wants access to it to map my car is up shite creek with back ordered paddles.
Nearest tuner with a rolling road is about 10,000kms from me
Nearest tuner with a rolling road is about 10,000kms from me
17-12-2009, 08:23 PM
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the reason why is most people back in the day wernt as bothered about how they drive and fuel economy, much more so in recent years as far as im aware mapping has been more focused on them two points
if you spend enough time with a non emulated mapped chip, it can be 100% perfect, and no difference to a live mapped chip, imo !
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17-12-2009, 08:27 PM
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It would be awesome if one day the megasquirt really took off for cossies. Even to just have the timing and fuel tables to put into a megasquirt my life would be much easier.
Mind you the only revenue tuners would see is for live mapping. Plain old plug and play chips would be a thing of the past as everyone could just get the code out of the box and share it.
Mind you the only revenue tuners would see is for live mapping. Plain old plug and play chips would be a thing of the past as everyone could just get the code out of the box and share it.
17-12-2009, 08:29 PM
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can you back up your "back to back testing would also prove you wrong" ??
the reason why is most people back in the day wernt as bothered about how they drive and fuel economy, much more so in recent years as far as im aware mapping has been more focused on them two points
if you spend enough time with a non emulated mapped chip, it can be 100% perfect, and no difference to a live mapped chip, imo !
jim
the reason why is most people back in the day wernt as bothered about how they drive and fuel economy, much more so in recent years as far as im aware mapping has been more focused on them two points
if you spend enough time with a non emulated mapped chip, it can be 100% perfect, and no difference to a live mapped chip, imo !
jim
I would only base that on the money i have spent with tuners, from the non live to the live, and it seams to be that the chip/burnt/copys are just that, modifications of an old map(s) adjusted to be close, they can never be exact.
and yes I do agree years gobe by when fuel was tuppence ha'penny etc but the driveability was still shit.
In my own competition experiance i would never ever fit a non vehicle specific live mapped chip ever again.
17-12-2009, 08:33 PM
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I would only base that on the money i have spent with tuners, from the non live to the live, and it seams to be that the chip/burnt/copys are just that, modifications of an old map(s) adjusted to be close, they can never be exact.
and yes I do agree years gobe by when fuel was tuppence ha'penny etc but the driveability was still shit.
In my own competition experiance i would never ever fit a non vehicle specific live mapped chip ever again.
and yes I do agree years gobe by when fuel was tuppence ha'penny etc but the driveability was still shit.
In my own competition experiance i would never ever fit a non vehicle specific live mapped chip ever again.
sorry bud not trying to have a dig, but its your opinion you cant actually back that up, or be willing to put money on the difference between the two ? lol
i can honestly say, after spending hours non live mapping webber ecu's on the dyno and doing in car mapping to check it all (still not live) the cars drive beautifully, customers are always very happy with a full package, its all down to time thats the only advantage of live mapping imo as far as my limited knowledge tells me !
jim
17-12-2009, 08:39 PM
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sorry bud not trying to have a dig, but its your opinion you cant actually back that up, or be willing to put money on the difference between the two ? lol
i can honestly say, after spending hours non live mapping webber ecu's on the dyno and doing in car mapping to check it all (still not live) the cars drive beautifully, customers are always very happy with a full package, its all down to time thats the only advantage of live mapping imo as far as my limited knowledge tells me !
jim
i can honestly say, after spending hours non live mapping webber ecu's on the dyno and doing in car mapping to check it all (still not live) the cars drive beautifully, customers are always very happy with a full package, its all down to time thats the only advantage of live mapping imo as far as my limited knowledge tells me !
jim
17-12-2009, 08:45 PM
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Im not going to go into the whole specifics on what and why as this is not the thread, but yes I would put my money on it all day, im not saying your packages do not drive as good as what the customer requires. but please do spend the time with a live mapped item, not just a modified map.
i can understand what you mean, if a tuner grabs a chip near enough and makes sure the mapping is fine on throttle but like i say thats not how it should be done, im comparing to a properly mapped non live chip to a properly mapped live chip, in your opinion do you think there would be a noticable difference in the two if done properly ?
17-12-2009, 10:44 PM
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how do you do your cold start strategy jim?
im going into work tomorrow and cold starting in the snow, and performing a warm up run in traffic.
im not saying you cant do it, but its that sort of situation that live mapping is superior, its very hard to simulate those conditions, especially when you have to burn a chip each time to see the effects the sometimes tiny changes have made
i can make hundreds of changes in a minuite and see the effects instantly,
im going into work tomorrow and cold starting in the snow, and performing a warm up run in traffic.
im not saying you cant do it, but its that sort of situation that live mapping is superior, its very hard to simulate those conditions, especially when you have to burn a chip each time to see the effects the sometimes tiny changes have made
i can make hundreds of changes in a minuite and see the effects instantly,
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17-12-2009, 10:50 PM
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Jim, without telling you or your dad how to run the business etc... Why haven't you gone over to the live-mapping technique sooner when it will save you alot of time.
17-12-2009, 10:53 PM
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yes like i say time, thats the only advantage (i think)
the bit that i didnt think was fair to all the companies out there mapping off line is you like was "hence the chips from tuners with emulation equipment is usually superior "
what in your opinion is superior in the mapping from your live mapped chip to a chip that i or the old man done on the dyno then in the car ?
other than time as i mentioned a fair few times lol
jim
the bit that i didnt think was fair to all the companies out there mapping off line is you like was "hence the chips from tuners with emulation equipment is usually superior "
what in your opinion is superior in the mapping from your live mapped chip to a chip that i or the old man done on the dyno then in the car ?
other than time as i mentioned a fair few times lol
jim
17-12-2009, 11:00 PM
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i dont actually know !
we have a emulator for the live mapping, but we rarely do webber mapping its normally pectel used, so the odd engine on the dyno on webber, just stick with the old pectel monitor way for now,
im going to really get into the emmulator as i, tbh, dont know how to work it, but its something i can do, i map pectel well now i think, getting much quicker so ill use what i know to get into on line webber mapping which will be good, as we can then do much more in car work
i think from what i see on here people are still doing alot with their webber ecus so there is still a decent market out there, it deffinately makes sense to do more of that sort of work and online would be the only way if it was being done day in day out
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17-12-2009, 11:03 PM
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you would never know that unless the same engine was mapped twice,
imo its better because you can try things, to see the effect
you might not try things if it means writing another chip each time.
you can perfect each site,
you might leave it at 99% perfect if it means writing another chip each time,
i belive it is totlay superior, get to grips with your gear and i bet you will agree!
imo its better because you can try things, to see the effect
you might not try things if it means writing another chip each time.
you can perfect each site,
you might leave it at 99% perfect if it means writing another chip each time,
i belive it is totlay superior, get to grips with your gear and i bet you will agree!
Last edited by JTECH James; 17-12-2009 at 11:22 PM.
17-12-2009, 11:29 PM
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you would never know that unless the same engine was mapped twice,
imo its better because you can try things, to see the effect
you might not try things if it means writing another chip each time.
you can perfect each site,
you might leave it at 99% perfect if it means writing another chip each time,
i belive it is totlay superior, get to grips with your gear and i bet you will agree!
imo its better because you can try things, to see the effect
you might not try things if it means writing another chip each time.
you can perfect each site,
you might leave it at 99% perfect if it means writing another chip each time,
i belive it is totlay superior, get to grips with your gear and i bet you will agree!
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