calling all zetec turbo people!
14-12-2009, 04:47 PM
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Formula ford engines are 1800 with about 150bhp
They have been running dry sumps for years, think they discovered the oil pump problem 10 years ago that us lot are only just starting to discover now
Its the harmonics of the crank at high revs that kills the pump gears not the power
They have been running dry sumps for years, think they discovered the oil pump problem 10 years ago that us lot are only just starting to discover now
Its the harmonics of the crank at high revs that kills the pump gears not the power
14-12-2009, 04:51 PM
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14-12-2009, 04:55 PM
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14-12-2009, 04:55 PM
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personlly id go for a silver top 
just from what ive read and seen they seem the easier choice, more common, will do the power you want from it (not sure which one would make the most ultimate bhp) and they are easier to fit i beleive (if its going in a mk3, they had the zetecs as standard on some models)
just from what ive read and seen they seem the easier choice, more common, will do the power you want from it (not sure which one would make the most ultimate bhp) and they are easier to fit i beleive (if its going in a mk3, they had the zetecs as standard on some models)
14-12-2009, 04:55 PM
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what ever happend to your big build ?? have you gone to the 5 pot st.
14-12-2009, 04:59 PM
#88
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Unfortunately got too many projects on the go and not enough money to finish them all, The ST170 turbo is 85% complete and a 5cyl build is 70% complete, should be both finished and dyno'd in 2010
14-12-2009, 05:01 PM
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sweet i thought you sold off the st170 turbo engine when you started the 5 potter.
14-12-2009, 05:03 PM
#90
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this is whats needed if your not running a dry sump
made by prorace for 2.0l zetec engine
$144
proper harmonic race damper spin tested to 12500rpm
made by prorace for 2.0l zetec engine
$144
proper harmonic race damper spin tested to 12500rpm
Last edited by zetaboostboy522bhp; 14-12-2009 at 05:06 PM.
14-12-2009, 05:12 PM
#91
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Rattler crank dampener distributed by vibration free
http://www.vibrationfree.co.uk/Rattler.htm
Last edited by AustenW; 14-12-2009 at 05:14 PM.
14-12-2009, 05:45 PM
#92
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and dug112y, in response to your last question about testing on a dyno, the issue is that the pumps don't instantly break, they degrade over time at high revs. Hence why I believe Luke's engine failed relatively early on because it's a track car and it also spent alot of time on the dyno (Most likely at high rev's).
14-12-2009, 05:53 PM
#93
Can I bump this question for the relevant people.
and dug112y, in response to your last question about testing on a dyno, the issue is that the pumps don't instantly break, they degrade over time at high revs. Hence why I believe Luke's engine failed relatively early on because it's a track car and it also spent alot of time on the dyno (Most likely at high rev's).
and dug112y, in response to your last question about testing on a dyno, the issue is that the pumps don't instantly break, they degrade over time at high revs. Hence why I believe Luke's engine failed relatively early on because it's a track car and it also spent alot of time on the dyno (Most likely at high rev's).
Although now its the dry sump kit pulley arrangment.
14-12-2009, 06:05 PM
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Can I bump this question for the relevant people.
and dug112y, in response to your last question about testing on a dyno, the issue is that the pumps don't instantly break, they degrade over time at high revs. Hence why I believe Luke's engine failed relatively early on because it's a track car and it also spent alot of time on the dyno (Most likely at high rev's).
and dug112y, in response to your last question about testing on a dyno, the issue is that the pumps don't instantly break, they degrade over time at high revs. Hence why I believe Luke's engine failed relatively early on because it's a track car and it also spent alot of time on the dyno (Most likely at high rev's).
yeah point taken, i think i was a bit quick posting there mate.
austen.....much are the rattlers.
14-12-2009, 06:11 PM
#97
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Ł350 for the rattler
Standard OEM should be fine on your ST
I only went that route as my crank is a lightweight version and I have a different pulley assembly on the front for the dry sump system
5cyl suffer from bad vibration issues
Standard OEM should be fine on your ST
I only went that route as my crank is a lightweight version and I have a different pulley assembly on the front for the dry sump system
5cyl suffer from bad vibration issues
Last edited by AustenW; 15-12-2009 at 08:53 PM.
14-12-2009, 06:28 PM
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thanks for the thread lads glad some people no what they are doing when it comes to zetec turbo's as i was propper stuck till i read this thread thank again
14-12-2009, 06:29 PM
#100
Can I bump this question for the relevant people.
and dug112y, in response to your last question about testing on a dyno, the issue is that the pumps don't instantly break, they degrade over time at high revs. Hence why I believe Luke's engine failed relatively early on because it's a track car and it also spent alot of time on the dyno (Most likely at high rev's).
and dug112y, in response to your last question about testing on a dyno, the issue is that the pumps don't instantly break, they degrade over time at high revs. Hence why I believe Luke's engine failed relatively early on because it's a track car and it also spent alot of time on the dyno (Most likely at high rev's).
My engine covered 2240ish miles, I know of another 400hp zetec which covered 4000 odd miles then decided to have a break. Its just one of those things!...
I would say however my engine sustained more abuse in the car than it did on the dyno. Its just one of those Zetec chores you have to live with or have to solve. I think all failures have occured in the car with an engine that is used opposed to sitting one on a engine dyno or rolling road.
My engine is also running on almost solid engine and gearbox mounts which may or maynot help with the vibration issues.
14-12-2009, 09:40 PM
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http://www.dougherbert.com/prosports...r-p-25774.html
hope this helps mate
cheers paul
15-12-2009, 03:52 AM
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hi mate heres the link for the zetec damper
http://www.dougherbert.com/prosports...r-p-25774.html
hope this helps mate
cheers paul
http://www.dougherbert.com/prosports...r-p-25774.html
hope this helps mate
cheers paul
thanks
I try!
15-12-2009, 08:47 PM
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hi mate heres the link for the zetec damper
http://www.dougherbert.com/prosports...r-p-25774.html
hope this helps mate
cheers paul
http://www.dougherbert.com/prosports...r-p-25774.html
hope this helps mate
cheers paul
Brian
15-12-2009, 11:03 PM
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Interesting question, I personally havent heard of a failure on the OEM setup has anyone else?
Saying that there arn't many people running big torque at low rpm for long periods of time to test them
Your probably running the most power out of anyone here, how has yours held up?
Would be interesting to have the crank and big end bearing caps in the block x rayed for signs of stress fractures
Apparently the WRC engine suffered from bearing cap issues due to there small nature, (heard that from an ex Mountune employee who did the dev work on the orig WRC setup)
I suspect sustained abuse will eventually lead to failure its like a time bomb waiting to go off, much like the oil pump scenario
Saying that there arn't many people running big torque at low rpm for long periods of time to test them
Your probably running the most power out of anyone here, how has yours held up?
Would be interesting to have the crank and big end bearing caps in the block x rayed for signs of stress fractures
Apparently the WRC engine suffered from bearing cap issues due to there small nature, (heard that from an ex Mountune employee who did the dev work on the orig WRC setup)
I suspect sustained abuse will eventually lead to failure its like a time bomb waiting to go off, much like the oil pump scenario
Last edited by AustenW; 15-12-2009 at 11:08 PM.
16-12-2009, 05:44 PM
#114
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hope this helps
cheers paul
16-12-2009, 09:37 PM
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if you use the blacktop you may see slightly better bhp due to the head flowing slightly better as standard
make sure you dont rev it over 7000rpm as you may have issues with the oil pump lol.
hope this helps
cheers paul
17-12-2009, 06:40 PM
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Quick question, i've been planning on buying a focus blacktop 2.0 zetec to turbo, if I could get hold of an ST170 engine, could I use that instead? For example, are the pistons (blacktop/st170) the same? Or forged pistons/a decent set or rods available for the st170 engine?
All help appreciated, ta.
All help appreciated, ta.
17-12-2009, 09:08 PM
#118
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Quick question, i've been planning on buying a focus blacktop 2.0 zetec to turbo, if I could get hold of an ST170 engine, could I use that instead? For example, are the pistons (blacktop/st170) the same? Or forged pistons/a decent set or rods available for the st170 engine?
All help appreciated, ta.
All help appreciated, ta.
email ian at tech@fiestafrenzy.co.uk and he will help you out
cheers paul
18-12-2009, 12:21 AM
#120
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Is it easy to have a zetec engine put into a rs turbo escort?I know id have to get new management.