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Anyone got any links to tuning or anything that might be of help to me?
I've got a Fiesta ST150 engine I would ideally like to turbo with forged internals. But if I'm honest I'm a complete amateur when it comes to engines. Spoke to someone briefly who is good with Duratecs but very busy at the moment but got a link to pistons:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT
But I have no idea what else I am looking at. I don't know what rods go with that, I have no idea about compression ratios, what I need etc.
As far as I know I need a pistons & rods for a forged bottom end, crank will be amazingly expensive but have been told the standard item will be ok.
Headwork I have no idea if the standard head would hold up ok or what bits within the head would need uprated.
I need a manifold, turbo, management, custom exhaust, FMIC but don't know what else
So yeah incase you hadn't gathered I'm very new to this and don't even know if what I want is really possible without spending mega money cause it's not a common conversion (most people go SC which I can see why but I want to be different plus I love turbo boost and noise etc). Need advice from somebody who knows what they're talking about, if it's possible, rough costs involved, hidden costs, etc etc
Thanks
I've got a Fiesta ST150 engine I would ideally like to turbo with forged internals. But if I'm honest I'm a complete amateur when it comes to engines. Spoke to someone briefly who is good with Duratecs but very busy at the moment but got a link to pistons:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT
But I have no idea what else I am looking at. I don't know what rods go with that, I have no idea about compression ratios, what I need etc.
As far as I know I need a pistons & rods for a forged bottom end, crank will be amazingly expensive but have been told the standard item will be ok.
Headwork I have no idea if the standard head would hold up ok or what bits within the head would need uprated.
I need a manifold, turbo, management, custom exhaust, FMIC but don't know what else
So yeah incase you hadn't gathered I'm very new to this and don't even know if what I want is really possible without spending mega money cause it's not a common conversion (most people go SC which I can see why but I want to be different plus I love turbo boost and noise etc). Need advice from somebody who knows what they're talking about, if it's possible, rough costs involved, hidden costs, etc etc
Thanks
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Alan12112 has a Turbo Duratec engine in his Mk6, iirc from whats been said on here it was around 3k for the conversion.
Check his forsale thread on the car here...
https://passionford.com/forum/cars-f...-ebay-now.html
Chip also had a thread on Duratec tuning well over 12months ago aswell, it was recentley bumped.
Check his forsale thread on the car here...
https://passionford.com/forum/cars-f...-ebay-now.html
Chip also had a thread on Duratec tuning well over 12months ago aswell, it was recentley bumped.
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I dont think those will fit!
I know that your engine says its a duratec but it isnt, it is just a rebadged 2 litre zetec engine, and those pistons are off of a real duratec engine.
Have a look for some replacement pistons that are specifically for the Fezza ST!
I know that your engine says its a duratec but it isnt, it is just a rebadged 2 litre zetec engine, and those pistons are off of a real duratec engine.
Have a look for some replacement pistons that are specifically for the Fezza ST!
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It's a zetec!
Although the St170, ST150 and Mk1 FRS all say Duratec they're actually all Zetec engines with Duratec slapped on em to make them look good, because all the other engines being used at the time in Ford cars were Duratecs, so Ford didnt want look as if they were going back in time by putting the older model engine in to the High Performance cars!
Although the St170, ST150 and Mk1 FRS all say Duratec they're actually all Zetec engines with Duratec slapped on em to make them look good, because all the other engines being used at the time in Ford cars were Duratecs, so Ford didnt want look as if they were going back in time by putting the older model engine in to the High Performance cars!
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It's a zetec!
Although the St170, ST150 and Mk1 FRS all say Duratec they're actually all Zetec engines with Duratec slapped on em to make them look good, because all the other engines being used at the time in Ford cars were Duratecs, so Ford didnt want look as if they were going back in time by putting the older model engine in to the High Performance cars!
Although the St170, ST150 and Mk1 FRS all say Duratec they're actually all Zetec engines with Duratec slapped on em to make them look good, because all the other engines being used at the time in Ford cars were Duratecs, so Ford didnt want look as if they were going back in time by putting the older model engine in to the High Performance cars!
The ST150 is a bona fide duratec, the Mk1 RS and ST170 are Zetec-E based
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T answer original poster...how much power are you wanting? If its a low boost conversion for about 250bhp then thats easy enough, if you want big power it will cost loads as virtually all of the internals will need replacing.
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Graham mate - the best guy to speak to is Ric Wood http://www.ricwood.com/
he is the man when it comes to Duratecs, builds race engines day in day out and had some very good ideas about mine and was keen to progress the project - just a lack of funds on my part stopped it
he is the man when it comes to Duratecs, builds race engines day in day out and had some very good ideas about mine and was keen to progress the project - just a lack of funds on my part stopped it
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Graham mate - the best guy to speak to is Ric Wood http://www.ricwood.com/
he is the man when it comes to Duratecs, builds race engines day in day out and had some very good ideas about mine and was keen to progress the project - just a lack of funds on my part stopped it![Sad](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif)
he is the man when it comes to Duratecs, builds race engines day in day out and had some very good ideas about mine and was keen to progress the project - just a lack of funds on my part stopped it
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He fucked Scott McDonalds up easy enough!
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Oh and woosner do a proven set off pistons and rods for the duratec turbo which already have a better compression ratio ![Grin](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
from 10.8:1 (std)
to 8.5:1
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Oh and you'll need a proper gearbox as well, not a chocolate ib5 - mtx-75 frs item all the way but as you know that has complications aswell - new mounts, bellhousings, driveshafts
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from 10.8:1 (std)
to 8.5:1
http://www.performanceenginecomponen....asp?id=250265
not sure if those are the right ones but just to give you an idea matey
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Oh and you'll need a proper gearbox as well, not a chocolate ib5 - mtx-75 frs item all the way but as you know that has complications aswell - new mounts, bellhousings, driveshafts
HTH
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I'm sure my advice from now on is probably gonna be no good ![tiff](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/punchballs.gif)
But i know that Shawspeed do some excellent work on zetec se engines and that they also do tune ups on Duratec's. Maybe some one has some experience with their Duratec tune ups to see if theire any good!
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But i know that Shawspeed do some excellent work on zetec se engines and that they also do tune ups on Duratec's. Maybe some one has some experience with their Duratec tune ups to see if theire any good!
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What was wrong with Scott's Dan? I've never seen or heard a bad comment about Ric Wood mate
Scott's st was the 1st car over the 200bhp mark wasn't it?
Scott's st was the 1st car over the 200bhp mark wasn't it?
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They fitted a throttle body setup to his, not sure if it's their work or not that has caused it but he's had a lot of problems
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Shawspeed dont do duratec turbo's
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^Well they seem quite familiar with the engine, they'll possibly be able to find out whats best. Maybe they can machine some up?
Hell, I'm only offering advice, thats what this forum is about aint it.
Hell, I'm only offering advice, thats what this forum is about aint it.
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Most definately not due to their doing.
They simply fitted what was asked of them. An OMEX ECU, AIM MXL (i think) Dash, and throttle bodies.
All was working when it left and was told categorically that it needed to go for mapping.
Scotts was melted a piston. It was a standard engine bar cams and headwork! That was only one thing. It was for ever in and out of Ric Woods.
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i read the question peps, but you were asking about duratec tuning and which engine it was in the st150 so as not to confuse people who tuned other stuff
so if you can find someone who tunes the mk3 mondeo 2.0 then the chances are that they'll do bits for the fiesta as well![Grin](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
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so if you can find someone who tunes the mk3 mondeo 2.0 then the chances are that they'll do bits for the fiesta as well
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FFS two hours ago you didnt even know which engine he was talking about
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The beauty of the forum is you can always find someone who has some 'real' experience of most situations, other users can learn from this, and most users can chip in on a thread where they can actually help once in a while.
If we all made random guesses and every thread it would very quickly be fuking shit
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i read the question peps, but you were asking about duratec tuning and which engine it was in the st150 so as not to confuse people who tuned other stuff
so if you can find someone who tunes the mk3 mondeo 2.0 then the chances are that they'll do bits for the fiesta as well![Grin](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
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so if you can find someone who tunes the mk3 mondeo 2.0 then the chances are that they'll do bits for the fiesta as well
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What are the rough steps for a low boost conversion? This is why I need to speak to some kind of tuner who can throw some rough costs at me, that's the decider of it for me, I have money to put into an engine but there is a limit on what I want to spend as it's ultimately a Fiesta at the end of the day and I don't have the knowledge nor money for it to break everyday so need an ounce of reliability in it too.
250bhp in a light FWD Fiesta will still be a lively car and coming from 100bhp up to that would put a big smile on my face indeed.
Graham mate - the best guy to speak to is Ric Wood http://www.ricwood.com/
he is the man when it comes to Duratecs, builds race engines day in day out and had some very good ideas about mine and was keen to progress the project - just a lack of funds on my part stopped it![Sad](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif)
he is the man when it comes to Duratecs, builds race engines day in day out and had some very good ideas about mine and was keen to progress the project - just a lack of funds on my part stopped it
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I'm still thinking about my idea of buying yours and swapping the engines over, just such a long winded way of doing it as I'd have to sell your car after too!
Thanks for advice in here peeps. So just for my own sake is it a Duratec or a badged up Zetec?
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I'd go to Jamsport and have a look at their s/c or turbo kits.
If you want 250bhp thats awesomely useable on the road then go for the supercharger kit, awesome fun
It IS a Duratec in the ST150!
If you want 250bhp thats awesomely useable on the road then go for the supercharger kit, awesome fun
It IS a Duratec in the ST150!
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hi mate , right first of all the st 150 engine is a duratec engine as its chain driven and all zetecs are belt driven (including the st170 engine and the focus rs engine which are both badged as duratecs but are in fact zetecs)
theres a very well known tuner that goes by the name of ian howell who runs area six motorsport /fiesta frenzy and is easily the best zetec turbo tuner in the uk.
about 2 years ago he built a engine for a mk6 fiesta using the st150 duratec engine with forged rods , cp custom pistons , head work , custom manifold , gt28 turbo , pectel management etc etc.
i think if you took your car to him it would cost around £6500/£7000 for a drive in drive out conversion and this man really does know his shit.
we had a few head scratching moments with using a after market ecu and wiring harness as we wanted to keep the orginal dash etc but it looked shit hot when done.
i think the car still has to be mapped as hes had a kit put onit and had it resprayed etc but it will make a solid 350bhp . ian can supply pistons , rods ,headwork ,inlet , managements basically all the shit you need so have a look on his webpage www.area-six.co.uk
and there is a thread on here about the car and engine https://passionford.com/forum/restor...ec-2009-a.html
i think the only major headache was the fuel system as if i remember right the fuel pressure reg is built into the tank so he had to redesign that.
i would say use ian as he gets everything custom built and has done the conversion and is a very helpful bloke
hope this helps
cheers paul
theres a very well known tuner that goes by the name of ian howell who runs area six motorsport /fiesta frenzy and is easily the best zetec turbo tuner in the uk.
about 2 years ago he built a engine for a mk6 fiesta using the st150 duratec engine with forged rods , cp custom pistons , head work , custom manifold , gt28 turbo , pectel management etc etc.
i think if you took your car to him it would cost around £6500/£7000 for a drive in drive out conversion and this man really does know his shit.
we had a few head scratching moments with using a after market ecu and wiring harness as we wanted to keep the orginal dash etc but it looked shit hot when done.
i think the car still has to be mapped as hes had a kit put onit and had it resprayed etc but it will make a solid 350bhp . ian can supply pistons , rods ,headwork ,inlet , managements basically all the shit you need so have a look on his webpage www.area-six.co.uk
and there is a thread on here about the car and engine https://passionford.com/forum/restor...ec-2009-a.html
i think the only major headache was the fuel system as if i remember right the fuel pressure reg is built into the tank so he had to redesign that.
i would say use ian as he gets everything custom built and has done the conversion and is a very helpful bloke
hope this helps
cheers paul
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I never see MK1 FRS engines come up plus the rough price for engine + fitting is about 5k all in and alot of work for 212bhp. Fair enough the potential is there but it's alot of money although I understand where you're coming from.
Thanks for the big post 'zetaboostboy522bhp' that's alot of money, alot more than I would ideally like to spend, it is a Fiesta after all....have heard nothing but praise about him having said that so suppose that speaks wonders. The website is a good read though I'm having a good read now
Mondeo man I agree for ease SC is the way forwards with so many kits available and tested by plenty of ST's but I like being different and turbo is the way forwards
all opinions and posts taken onboard, thanks peeps
Thanks for the big post 'zetaboostboy522bhp' that's alot of money, alot more than I would ideally like to spend, it is a Fiesta after all....have heard nothing but praise about him having said that so suppose that speaks wonders. The website is a good read though I'm having a good read now
Mondeo man I agree for ease SC is the way forwards with so many kits available and tested by plenty of ST's but I like being different and turbo is the way forwards
all opinions and posts taken onboard, thanks peeps
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You can get bolt on kits for the duratec on this side of the pond, naturally focus based as no st150 fiesta's over here but http://www.focussport.com/turbocharger.htm should give you an idea of what can be done leaving the internals standard.
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I never see MK1 FRS engines come up plus the rough price for engine + fitting is about 5k all in and alot of work for 212bhp. Fair enough the potential is there but it's alot of money although I understand where you're coming from.
Thanks for the big post 'zetaboostboy522bhp' that's alot of money, alot more than I would ideally like to spend, it is a Fiesta after all....have heard nothing but praise about him having said that so suppose that speaks wonders. The website is a good read though I'm having a good read now
Mondeo man I agree for ease SC is the way forwards with so many kits available and tested by plenty of ST's but I like being different and turbo is the way forwards
all opinions and posts taken onboard, thanks peeps
Thanks for the big post 'zetaboostboy522bhp' that's alot of money, alot more than I would ideally like to spend, it is a Fiesta after all....have heard nothing but praise about him having said that so suppose that speaks wonders. The website is a good read though I'm having a good read now
Mondeo man I agree for ease SC is the way forwards with so many kits available and tested by plenty of ST's but I like being different and turbo is the way forwards
all opinions and posts taken onboard, thanks peeps
heres a list of some of the little bits having done a similar conversion first time round
with engine block being built without manifolds.
inlet manifold (using st150 ) 3 n/a
durtatec cosworth throttle body £300
modiying st 150 exhaust manifold £100
injetors x4 £250
tps sensor £40
air temp sensor £18
turbo £850+
pectel t2 management £650
custom wiring harness £450
boost pipes £100
silicon pipes £150
pro alloy front mounted interooler £400
alloy radiator £350
aeromotive fuel pressure reg £140
uprated fuel pump £100
thats a total of £3898 and these are just rough prices
so £7000 aint looking to bad when your got the block build in that with rods and pistons , honing etc , plus the man hours it takes to do this conversion as i remember ian saying it was a bit of a bastard to fit in.
anyway good luck mate with what ever your doing and if you do use ian tell him paul from derby sent you and iam sure he will look after you
cheers paul
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As you say, it's a fiesta and you don't want to spend much on it, would it not be worth using the P3000 kit (like Alans got IIRC) and then getting somewhere else to fit and map it. Should be fine on stock for 6psi (I would imagine).