Is this racist? Is it b****x!
26-11-2009, 06:37 PM
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You can tell that the coach is full of Muslim kids how exactly ? Last time i looked all kids looked pretty similar regardless of thier religion.
I was also under the impression that most schools catered to all religions.
Maybe i live in the stone age but as JohnnyB said, i think it's about time all children had an understanding of everybodys faith and beliefs.
It would allow for far less one sided extremists and perhaps help put this 'my gods better than yours' shite to bed once and for all.
26-11-2009, 06:59 PM
#42
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26-11-2009, 07:00 PM
#43
it's nothing to do with religeon here, it's the fact that you have to pay a fiver to fund the coach that's the issue here
i remember having assembly every morning and having to sing christian hymns anddoing all the christian stuff at easter and stuff and nothing else was allowed
didn't make me hate christianity, i just didn't understand what it was about as they only made us sing songs rather than teach us any of the historical stuff
in any case, look at the trip as an experience, is she don't go then everyone who has gone will know stuff she won't, and then you'll have to ask us boys here on pf to explain what 's what
i remember having assembly every morning and having to sing christian hymns anddoing all the christian stuff at easter and stuff and nothing else was allowed
didn't make me hate christianity, i just didn't understand what it was about as they only made us sing songs rather than teach us any of the historical stuff
in any case, look at the trip as an experience, is she don't go then everyone who has gone will know stuff she won't, and then you'll have to ask us boys here on pf to explain what 's what
26-11-2009, 07:08 PM
#44
In one instance they're having their mind expanded, in the other they're having their mind brainwashed. That's what's moronic about it.
26-11-2009, 07:17 PM
#46
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When the kids visit a mosque they look around, marvel at the beautiful architecture, and learn about what the religion's beliefs are to help them understand different cultures. When they go to church they have some bloke telling them (as if it were fact) that Jesus was this man who did miracles then died, then didn't die, then came back to save us, and we must thank him a lot.
In one instance they're having their mind expanded, in the other they're having their mind brainwashed. That's what's moronic about it.
In one instance they're having their mind expanded, in the other they're having their mind brainwashed. That's what's moronic about it.
dont they preach their own particular view in other places of worship then?
Last edited by fuzzy; 26-11-2009 at 07:18 PM.
26-11-2009, 07:19 PM
#47
How so? I'm against my kids being taught any religion as fact. I'd be more than happy for them to understand the belief systems of any religion, just not be preached to.
I'm NOT against them visiting a church obviously!
I'm NOT against them visiting a church obviously!
Last edited by DanW@FastFord; 26-11-2009 at 07:21 PM.
26-11-2009, 07:25 PM
#50
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i cant see how one is an enlightening experience whilst the other is brainwashing preaching?
all have their own version to sell, the manner in which its done will be down to the individual teller rather than that house of god.
all have their own version to sell, the manner in which its done will be down to the individual teller rather than that house of god.
26-11-2009, 07:26 PM
#51
The Christian religion is one of the biggest because they were one of the most ruthless. They killed millions and destroyed countless religious buildings to make sure they were the dominant religion. The church preaches that the crusades were a good thing as they 'spread the word', but the reality is that they just wiped out any alternative religion they came across. Definitely a cult!
26-11-2009, 07:37 PM
#54
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yeh, that seems to of been what triggerd my initial rant lol
but the fact of me not wnting to pay it and being seen as a racist for it by one of the mothers.
Didn't want to start a debate on peoples personal racial views but it has done.
Got to ask though, question aimed at the scouser bill was it? being a racist...
is it like when I got bit by a Jack russle as a kid and now I fuckin hate them dog's.
Did a school boy shout at you as a young man and happen to be of a Pakistani back ground and now has led you to hate them all? or is that to simple?
26-11-2009, 07:38 PM
#55
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When the kids visit a mosque they look around, marvel at the beautiful architecture, and learn about what the religion's beliefs are to help them understand different cultures. When they go to church they have some bloke telling them (as if it were fact) that Jesus was this man who did miracles then died, then didn't die, then came back to save us, and we must thank him a lot.
In one instance they're having their mind expanded, in the other they're having their mind brainwashed. That's what's moronic about it.
In one instance they're having their mind expanded, in the other they're having their mind brainwashed. That's what's moronic about it.
26-11-2009, 07:43 PM
#56
history tends to be written by the winners of whatever battle was fought
and back in the day when you lot were still burning witches and all that soddom and gomorah and adam and eve and burnign bushes and whatnots, it was easy for the "church" to get you killed if you got in the way
even our lot,who have only been about for 600 years or so, still tend to simply agree on a lot of stuff even though there is no cast in stone dates, on the pure reasoning that they were marking the passage of time by the phases of the moon and things don't work out that well with out digital watches and decimal points way of modern thinking
doesn't mean to say that things don't happen, just means that the way they happened has been twisted over the course of time
did you know the shouud of turnin is more than likely an ancient picture?
and back in the day when you lot were still burning witches and all that soddom and gomorah and adam and eve and burnign bushes and whatnots, it was easy for the "church" to get you killed if you got in the way
even our lot,who have only been about for 600 years or so, still tend to simply agree on a lot of stuff even though there is no cast in stone dates, on the pure reasoning that they were marking the passage of time by the phases of the moon and things don't work out that well with out digital watches and decimal points way of modern thinking
doesn't mean to say that things don't happen, just means that the way they happened has been twisted over the course of time
did you know the shouud of turnin is more than likely an ancient picture?
26-11-2009, 07:45 PM
#57
yeh, that seems to of been what triggerd my initial rant lol
but the fact of me not wnting to pay it and being seen as a racist for it by one of the mothers.
Didn't want to start a debate on peoples personal racial views but it has done.
Got to ask though, question aimed at the scouser bill was it? being a racist...
is it like when I got bit by a Jack russle as a kid and now I fuckin hate them dog's.
Did a school boy shout at you as a young man and happen to be of a Pakistani back ground and now has led you to hate them all? or is that to simple?
but the fact of me not wnting to pay it and being seen as a racist for it by one of the mothers.
Didn't want to start a debate on peoples personal racial views but it has done.
Got to ask though, question aimed at the scouser bill was it? being a racist...
is it like when I got bit by a Jack russle as a kid and now I fuckin hate them dog's.
Did a school boy shout at you as a young man and happen to be of a Pakistani back ground and now has led you to hate them all? or is that to simple?
26-11-2009, 07:47 PM
#58
So your kids will be as narrow minded as you then
Let me run this past you, if you had a HOT Indian babe (and i mean HOT like Bipasha Basu http://www.reviewsnext.com/wp-conten...ha-basul10.jpg) wanting you to fuck her brains out, you would do it right?
You wouldn't be thinking about her Colour/Religion then would you???
Let me run this past you, if you had a HOT Indian babe (and i mean HOT like Bipasha Basu http://www.reviewsnext.com/wp-conten...ha-basul10.jpg) wanting you to fuck her brains out, you would do it right?
You wouldn't be thinking about her Colour/Religion then would you???
26-11-2009, 07:49 PM
#59
I think our churches and cathedrals are among the most beautiful buildings in the country. In the last month I've been round both Bath Abbey and Wells Cathedral with my kids.
My point, which maybe I didn't make clearly enough was that I'd be happy to have my children visit a mosque/temple, and that there's nothing to fear if you're a racist, because the school visit wouldn't involve being preached to. In your child's case it was a fellow pupil who told her the religious nonsense. The actual school trip wasn't at fault.
My point, which maybe I didn't make clearly enough was that I'd be happy to have my children visit a mosque/temple, and that there's nothing to fear if you're a racist, because the school visit wouldn't involve being preached to. In your child's case it was a fellow pupil who told her the religious nonsense. The actual school trip wasn't at fault.
26-11-2009, 07:59 PM
#61
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religon, money and women are the reasons for all wars imo
so i think kids should go to places of worship to understand others veiws, but by no means are they fun or exciting.
i think if everyone would understand each others veiw, and that epople bekleive different things this world would be a better place.
its the arogance and PCness that annoys me about it all
so i think kids should go to places of worship to understand others veiws, but by no means are they fun or exciting.
i think if everyone would understand each others veiw, and that epople bekleive different things this world would be a better place.
its the arogance and PCness that annoys me about it all
26-11-2009, 07:59 PM
#63
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history tends to be written by the winners of whatever battle was fought
and back in the day when you lot were still burning witches and all that soddom and gomorah and adam and eve and burnign bushes and whatnots, it was easy for the "church" to get you killed if you got in the way
even our lot,who have only been about for 600 years or so, still tend to simply agree on a lot of stuff even though there is no cast in stone dates, on the pure reasoning that they were marking the passage of time by the phases of the moon and things don't work out that well with out digital watches and decimal points way of modern thinking
doesn't mean to say that things don't happen, just means that the way they happened has been twisted over the course of time
did you know the shouud of turnin is more than likely an ancient picture?
and back in the day when you lot were still burning witches and all that soddom and gomorah and adam and eve and burnign bushes and whatnots, it was easy for the "church" to get you killed if you got in the way
even our lot,who have only been about for 600 years or so, still tend to simply agree on a lot of stuff even though there is no cast in stone dates, on the pure reasoning that they were marking the passage of time by the phases of the moon and things don't work out that well with out digital watches and decimal points way of modern thinking
doesn't mean to say that things don't happen, just means that the way they happened has been twisted over the course of time
did you know the shouud of turnin is more than likely an ancient picture?
26-11-2009, 08:03 PM
#64
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I think our churches and cathedrals are among the most beautiful buildings in the country. In the last month I've been round both Bath Abbey and Wells Cathedral with my kids.
My point, which maybe I didn't make clearly enough was that I'd be happy to have my children visit a mosque/temple, and that there's nothing to fear if you're a racist, because the school visit wouldn't involve being preached to. In your child's case it was a fellow pupil who told her the religious nonsense. The actual school trip wasn't at fault.
My point, which maybe I didn't make clearly enough was that I'd be happy to have my children visit a mosque/temple, and that there's nothing to fear if you're a racist, because the school visit wouldn't involve being preached to. In your child's case it was a fellow pupil who told her the religious nonsense. The actual school trip wasn't at fault.
26-11-2009, 08:10 PM
#66
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26-11-2009, 08:14 PM
#67
dojj, i,m not religious,never have been, but my nan rest her soul was convinced god was her best mate. her choice i respected that the same way i respect anyones religious views .but when someone singles out christianity as brainwashing morons i take offence, the same as if it was pointed at you.that brainwashed moron lost her brother in the first war fighting for this moronic christian country and her son in the second, oh well no loss they were only morons after all
as long as it doesn't stop me from doing what i want to do, within the law, and just don't want people preaching their views of their world upon me
that way we can all get along
26-11-2009, 08:14 PM
#68
dojj, i,m not religious,never have been, but my nan rest her soul was convinced god was her best mate. her choice i respected that the same way i respect anyones religious views .but when someone singles out christianity as brainwashing morons i take offence, the same as if it was pointed at you.that brainwashed moron lost her brother in the first war fighting for this moronic christian country and her son in the second, oh well no loss they were only morons after all
I think all religions are intrinsically stupid, not just christianity.
26-11-2009, 08:14 PM
#69
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26-11-2009, 08:20 PM
#71
what annoys me the most is when some cunt knocks on my door (normally waking me up as its always on my fucking day off) and tries to preach their fucking beleifs to me. And they'll never take 'I'm not interested' as an answer! Get off my property.
26-11-2009, 10:37 PM
#76
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Why don,t you kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
Let her go on the trip and tell her she is going to see santa in his grotto.
Beardy man with a funny hat should get her in the christmas mood.
Let her go on the trip and tell her she is going to see santa in his grotto.
Beardy man with a funny hat should get her in the christmas mood.
27-11-2009, 06:22 AM
#77
depending on how old she is, she'll think that santa's having a convention
another thing, is there any cahnce you can go with the trip? school are always on about being understafed for out of school trips etc, you never know, you may learn soemthing yourself
27-11-2009, 07:51 AM
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So your kids will be as narrow minded as you then
Let me run this past you, if you had a HOT Indian babe (and i mean HOT like Bipasha Basu http://www.reviewsnext.com/wp-conten...ha-basul10.jpg) wanting you to fuck her brains out, you would do it right?
You wouldn't be thinking about her Colour/Religion then would you???
Let me run this past you, if you had a HOT Indian babe (and i mean HOT like Bipasha Basu http://www.reviewsnext.com/wp-conten...ha-basul10.jpg) wanting you to fuck her brains out, you would do it right?
You wouldn't be thinking about her Colour/Religion then would you???
27-11-2009, 07:59 AM
#80
So your kids will be as narrow minded as you then
Let me run this past you, if you had a HOT Indian babe (and i mean HOT like Bipasha Basu http://www.reviewsnext.com/wp-conten...ha-basul10.jpg) wanting you to fuck her brains out, you would do it right?
You wouldn't be thinking about her Colour/Religion then would you???
Let me run this past you, if you had a HOT Indian babe (and i mean HOT like Bipasha Basu http://www.reviewsnext.com/wp-conten...ha-basul10.jpg) wanting you to fuck her brains out, you would do it right?
You wouldn't be thinking about her Colour/Religion then would you???
I sure fooking would, in the words of our friend Calvin,
I like them black girls
I like them white girls
I like them Asian girls
I like them mixed race girls
I like them Spanish girls
I like them Italian girls
I like the French girls
And I like Scandinavian girls
I like them tall girls
I like them short girls
I like them brown hair girls
I like them blonde hair girls
I like them big girls
I like them skinny girls
I like them carrying a little bitty weight girls