Markb_s1

not getting into the racist debate, but i'm sure i saw on a documentary a while back that it was iranians that "invented" suicide bombing when they were fighting iraq.

dojj

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so what abou tthe japanese pilots in ww2 then?

Markb_s1

good point... the programme may have been referring to the idea of sttrapping a load of explosives to yourself and then walking/driving up to the enemy (or innocent people etc).. was a while ago so I cant' recall exactly.

cossiejay

if we are all brothers in the eyes of god ,what made jesus so special.when you die ,you die i would send my kids ,would not pay for it they get the money of the goverment

kniterider

when i went into my "upper school" (we have 3 schools here- primary to year 6 then year 7, 8 and 9 at another then years 10, 11 and 6th form at another) i opted out of RS/RE for the simple reason our countries religions (christianity etc) were not being taught well. there was very LITTLE coverage of any english religions, all the focus seemed to be on other religions. i wanted to know about ALL religions INCLUDING our own but this was not covered.

my gfs daughter went to a mosque the other day (unsure if it was sikh/muslim?) and was made to cover her head with a scarf. i found this a bit iffy, i know its to do with respect etc but i dont see that duplicated in society with head dresses/burkas (and chavs in hats!) its respectfull to remove hats/head coverings when entering a building/house and feel that aspect a bit archaic (sp)

saying that when at school i enjoyed my trip to a mosque, (primary) was interesting to see all the decor and the little museum...and the food was lush

Retro Al

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I didnt think women/females were allowed in mosques anyway?

Benni

Pisses me off that. I used to tell them to go away. If God created the world, he can get off his arse and repair the fucking roof. Someone needs to tell God that charity starts at home the Bastard. Church is a load of fucking crap, and I was dragged their religiously every Sunday for years and all I learnt was, that God is an imaginery friend for adults.

Benni.

dojj

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so now you have learnt soemthing new

my son has been on a trip to a sikh gurdwara, a hindu mander and a muslim/islamic mosque in the past few weeks and i dind't need to spend a cent as they were all within walking distance, but there ain't a church within walking distance so if i were asked to spend some money i'd say fine, becuase at least he'll be able to come home and tel me about what he's seen, who he went with, how many of his friends understood what was going on

and not like the mrs who came home a few weeks back and told me about how the muslim kids went to school and asks the teachers why they needed to take part in the diwalli assembly ebause allah wuold be cross with them when they went before him, and these were little 6 year olds

ballin

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It's £5 you skabby cnut, the school has to pay for the coach somehow

Hardeep_Singh

dont see what you moaning for £5 for a taxi there and back and free curry while your there seems like a steal to me!

i know i went to church for school trip once, i've had most of my exams in church halls when i was doing my degree at kingston, if anything i was happy to best place to be when you need answers from the man upstairs lol

RSTurboSI

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What i dont understand is how this is relevent to anything? when i was at school, back in the 80's i was never even able to go on a school trip that has no relevance to what i was learning, the fact sending children to a temple, is kinda strange, i only learnt about Adam and eve,

but then again i was a rather messed up child that really spent most of his life on my own due to my section of life.

orion88

thats discusting
it wudnt happen the other way round if it was my daughter id tell them where to go

morph

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If you want i will give you the £5.
You never know your son/daughter may learn something different?

dojj

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/index.s...&go.y=13&go=go

Kam B

Im muslim, and muslim women/females are totally allowed in mosques

HTH

Pardeep

Heres one for the Fella's

Minirotty

Nice mouth fella, read it correct, was £5 that pissed me off because of the hundreds of pounds I have paid out this year already and the fact some one asumed I would be seen as a racist for not paying, ie. a rant.

The money schools cost these days you'd think they were private.

BRAMMER

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What's wrong with learning other cultures??

Kids should learn how other communities live in the UK, this way they can understand and respect each other.

fuzzy

sure but that should be a two way thing. wasnt there a previous post from a muslim or sikh that said they didnt attend when theyre trip visited a church?
is that a common reaction from sikhs?

BRAMMER

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Agreed, obviously for adults they will choose to learn what they want but the eduction system should teach all children various cultures.

gaz s1

My 6 year old was supposed to go visit a mosque on monday i said no as he has to wear something on his head as a mark of respect and my opinion as hes in his own country and never wears a hat so why should he just for this trip.

Girls cant wear skirts either, joke imo i wasnt the only one to pull their kids out either

Best thing is this trip was free as well i wonder why?

Awaiting the pc backlash but its my opinion that they should not have to dress differently on this trip than any other!!!

Would we make muslims dress any differently on any trip they go on?

zetec-Sam

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Bang on mate. I find it rude when I have to serve someone and i can't see their face, it's almost like talking to someone with their back to you! They are allowed to dress in their religions clothes in this country, why should your child have to wear something to enter a mospue in a christian country!

gaz s1

I know what youre saying mate nothing worse than trying to talk to someone and you cant see there expressions because they have got their ninja outfit on

zetec-Sam

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yep, but we can't say anything or the PC-brigade will come get us!

gaz s1

Ninja style

dojj

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where is this quote?

you cover your head as a mark of respect while you are on the mosque premises, skirts means that when you sit down and have to cross your legs, it isn't becoming of ladies to sit there with their bits on show, so you dress appropriatly
i'm sure that, given some notice, you would have been able to send her to school in some trousers if you wanted her to go?
there would have been some strips of cloth there to allow them to cover their heads so no problems there

as said above

we didn't know where to look when my mate had his wedding at the gurdwara, his dad's punjabi/sikh but his mums irish, and he was marrying a white girl, so the indians turned up all dressed appropriatly, but the "heathens" arrived in mini skirts and what nots and were very uncomfortable having to sit on their feet for the next 90 minutes or show bits of twat to the rest of us who were at the place

and what was funnier than that was his mate dishing out bits of paper to explain different parts of the ceremony ot me and my wife and brother and folks insisting that we do things the way they were supposed to be done, it was like being given directions around your own house

thng is, it doens't take a lot to conform to others requests if you know you are going to visit some place, weather you do or not is entrily up to you

as i said before, not letting your kids go on a trip like this just makes them miss ut on what their mates would experience and then they only have your word for what they should or shouldn't do with their choices later in life

cossiejay

i am racist i am allowed freedom of speech,and dont mind being called narrow minded,england for the english not everyone who wants the scronge off us BNP FOREVER

dojj

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just seen her on the telly mate, she's a bit of an old dragon

gaz s1

I would have acted exactly the same if he was made to wear something different in a christian church, why should he for some bullshit religion, its all bollox!!!!

Its still a free country at the mo and i deem whats right for my kids and i wasnt happy so said no.

i suppose that makes me racist in some peoples eyes, but hey ho i can still sleep at night with the thought of no religious crap about what you can or cannot wear to keep some stupid religion happy going round in my kids heads.

There is a lot more important things they can learn about apart from religious bullshit and hopefully they will grow up knowing this

Pardeep

Who cares? she's still a looker for a 30 year old

You telling me you wouldn't?

dojj

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forgive me for stating the obvious here, but what sort of special get up to you need to go to church on a trip then? i'd love to know the do's and don'ts of what to wear so that i wouldn't offend the churchy types, so please feel free to explain

yes she's got a bod on her, but unlike you, i'm married and my mrs looks at pf over my shoulder, so it's ok for young free and single types to say "oh yes, i'd bang her like a barn door in a hurricane" or "i'd shag her till i ran out of bodily fluids" but not me

Lambchop

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fair play

too many others cry dyslexia imo!

spinus

this is getting monotonous but i,ll give it a go. you called it and i quote you ,moronic christian service, my mother and nan was that service, that was their life and for you to call such in such an offhanded way, is disrespectful and offensive. and i mention the war beacuse when they went over the top fighting for this christian country it was for god king and country in that order.

MikeR

The problem is not nesecarilly extremisits it is lack of education in some developing conutrys, this allows people to take as gospel the teachings of these religious clerics and the likes, this creates extremists, solving the underlying issue is the issue,

We should respect our past, l think though that the Vatican and Catholosisum (sp) is very bad and resposnible for alot of carnage through history

Mike

spinus

totally agree, religion is just a way of controlling the masses by the few, all religions, exept bhuddism has barbarism marbled through it christianity has its fair share of bloodletting , the moores as they swept through europe killing all infidels, when they got to a church they,d build a mosque inside it. lets not even go over asia, but as your last line says respect our past,it was a different world then.