00fergie

seen this on a couple of cars now. Is it a straight forward match or is custom stuff need to be made?

any pics of this setup?

graham c

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never heard of it

CraigJ

DJM used the evo running gear in the cosworth powered ford Ka's iirc.

graham c

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get pic,s up

stu21t

do you mean skyline not evo?
theres a few 4wd cars running skyline boxes.

Mike C

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I only know of the DJM KA with Cossie engine and Evo transmission off the top of my head.

I also know of a 4x4 MK6 RS2000 with I4 engine and Evo transmission and the Tadstar (?) MK3 Fiesta with full Evo engine and running gear.

There may be more, but that's all I can think of off the top of my head.

m4tt274

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ive heard of a few cars runnin the skline running gear. and thers a KA running evo gear.
i dont think u can run the evo gear in a sapphire becuse the mounts the wrong way. but the skyline is (providing you have all the tools) relativly simple. u just need an adaptor for the bellhousing

graham c

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am thinkin of this route skyline box

Psycho Warren

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fergie if your thinking of doing in your FRP then speak to pumaspeed and DJM as i think someone at least started building one.




scroll to bottom of this page: hes had it online like 5 years.
http://www.pumaspeed.co.uk/feat.htm

Red16

In fairness, why bother with the cosworth engine on the evo drivetrain, you'd be better off with an evo engine instead imo.

Chip

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Exactly!

Lighter, more tunable, more readily available, cheaper, straight fit onto the drivetrain.

Evo engine is just superior in every way to a YB for putting in transverse on an evo drivetrain surely?

rog

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Aye it'll all bolt straight in
Not seen this in any car, plenty of skyline stuff though, as above don't really see the point, you'd be better buyng the evo or just uprating the internals of the cosworth stuff, probably work out cheaper.

Chip

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I dont think he was referring to it being straight forward to put into car, I believe he was just meaning in terms of the YB onto the evo box, like for example do you need to just bolt it in on an adaptor plate or do you also have to get an angle grinder out to the back of the YB block to create clearance for the transfer box, do you have to move any of the ancillieries, that sort of thing.

That's how it read to me anyway, I dont see why you choose to read it like the guy was a total fucking retard instead!

rog

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See quote above, it's pretty clear to me what the question is? The answer is NO, and i was hardly trying to insult the guy or I would've said something more malicious.
I don't see the need to be pedantic and analyse everyones reply. Can we not have a bit of "banter" without you getting upset, is that ok with you? Thanks for your input though, i liked the technical bit.

Chip

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He is talking about mathcing the engine to the box, you appear though to be talking about fitting them into a car



Have as much banter as you want mate, but its funnier when its somehow relevant IMHO rather than just a random outburst on a totally different subject, he was (at this stage) clearly only asking about bolting the engine upto the transmission IMHO, I dont believe for a minute that he was also referring to getting the setup and then the rear diff into a ford ka etc as well, but maybe ive been guilty of giving him too much credit, this is PF after all so maybe treating someone new as a retard until proven otherwise is a good approach

rog

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Fair point if that's how you look at it, but no point in having it bolted to a box on your garage floor, you have to get the running gear into the car? And i'd be lying if i said that his post count didn't effect my judgement, but i know it shouldn't!

Chip

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I tend to view things in bite size chunks, so getting the engine upto the running gear would be the second problem to solve, after deciding if it was possible in terms of getting the running gear into the car.

So if I was asking the same question, it would be because I was aware of the amount of work to fit Evo running gear to a KA, but because I had some weird ford loyalty that made me want to use a shitty YB isntead of an Evo engine and I wanted to know how much extra cost/hassle that choice of engine would cause me over just using the evo engine in the first place.

Its something ive often considered as a project in fact but using evo or gt4 running gear on a vauxhall Xe/LET engine instead, but I decided after looking into doing so that if I ever did a 4wd project I would just use the donor car's engine instead.

00fergie

cheers as chip said i was refering to the box and the block, I know there would need to be lots of fabrication work in fitting the evo running gear. just seen it and had me thinking.

any more info on the puma warren?

rog

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Glad that's cleared up then...
I'm sure once EVO's get older/cheaper they'll be more and more people buying them up and transplanting the mechanicals into smaller cars, just like 4x4 cos and Vauxhall stuff is now, only it probably won't break as much.

Ryan

cossy stuff is not cheap

infact i would say the engine as very expensive.

obviously the 4x4 ford running stuff is cheap, as its pony!

rog

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Yes but you can't buy a whole EVO 7 for example for 3k say, but you could buy a shonky 4x4 with a good engine for that, and sell the rest, i see what your saying if you compare part for part, but not as a whole car. Right about the 4wd stuff tho, gonna replace mine when it brakes with a bara box, if i keep it that long.

Ryan

yeah but cost for cost, i would imagine a 4-5k evo 4-5 would be better?

and for a 3k shitter saph the only thing worth any money with be the engine, everything else will be throw away items more than likely

Shonky

Fergie, IIRC a Ka with rally arches is the same track as the earlier EVOs and as the engine/gearbox are transverse it should fit with less work than an inline setup, pm Screech on FK-OC, he's briefly looked into it in the past

00fergie

not for the ka just interested in the setup for the frp. cheers tho

Psycho Warren

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fergie, pumaspeed only had a little input on it at the start.

Dont know what happened to it or if it was ever finished.

From what i do know was that DJM had to make the adaptors to bolt the engine on. Some one with a rs2000 4x4 was trying to do the same and found DJM were prohibitatively expensive in terms of supplying adaptors and also supplying info on the right ratios for rear diffs etc.

Its going to b easier to fit it in a puma than a KA as you have a bit more space. Still totally custom work throughout!! Would be far cheaper and easier to go down the longtitude YB route.