T28 RST

All i can say is wait and see what comes out in march

rapidcossie

think i will! my cos makes 290 @ the wheels which prob is about 320 fly but not sure....

david

Looking forward too it but no red ones or I will get suspicious

any chance you could photoshop your wheels on my saff, pleeaase.

T28 RST

I would if i knew how to, ive seen them on a saff and a 3dr before and i thought they looked a bit small

david

I thought they would look good with the rim polished and the spokes as is any pictures of them on a saff ? im so stuck with what wheels that im seriously considering just putting some late spec ones on

Fiecos Dan

rapid cossie,

ok i woz wronge about 350@fly (worked it out in my head)
correct answer is around @ 32% losses= 348@fly=235@whe
@ 29% losses= 330@fly= 234@whe

or may be i wronge, and he runnin more bhp at his spare wheel

rapidcossie

it doesnt work out percentages!
why would a car lose more power thru the transmisson just cos it was more powerful?

T28 RST

What power is that at his steering wheel then

rapidcossie

it doesnt work out precentages!
why would a car lose more power thru the transmisson just cos it was more powerful?

T28 RST

At the end of the day no 2 cars are the same and NO 2 ROLLING ROADS are the same so this debate could go on for ever, the point we are trying to get accross is AVA only loose about 25bhp on FWD/RWD and 50 bhp on 4WD, other rolling roads loose far more which is probably down to the way they are set up and what software they use to run them and also doesnt the size of the rollers come into it

rapidcossie

your right there man!

skiddusmarkus

[quote="rapidcossie"]Mine made 333bhp@flywheel and 240-bhp@wheels on 1.15bar,so similar losses.That was at Well Lane so deduct what you think necessary toget an accurate reading .

DanRSturbo

I had a blast with a gti-r a couple of weeks back, fella claimed it was pushing 270 horses, was quite quick, but he didn't obliterate me as I thought it would, and when i went past and he pulled out behind me, I was pulling away, but slowed down as approaching a notirous 50 speed limit. He was quite impressed and reckoned i had to be running at least 220 horses

Fiecos Dan

Mine made 333bhp@flywheel and 240-bhp@wheels on 1.15bar,so similar losses.That was at Well Lane so deduct what you think necessary toget an accurate reading .[/quote]


thats about rite, = 28% losses,

it does matter on alot, roller,bloke,weather,car,transmission oil temp, tyre friction, wieght on wheels etc etc,
also yhe bigger the rollers(dyno) the cooler it will stay, = stays consistant.

it dont work out % spot on,
but as its a resistance, the more bhp you put thro the trans the more is lost.

as i sed b4, bhp@whe is measured, bhp@fly is calculated(unless on a engine dyno.

in feb 02 pf, jap v's ford rollin rd thrash @ nobles a esc cos has 310@fly=184bhp@whe=41% losses or 126bhp lost thro transmission..

98% of time you will see twice as much lost on a 4wd over 2wd.

dan rs wot power are you runnin.

skiddusmarkus

I'd have been pleased with 310bhp on Nobles rollers on my old engine.They're known as more conservative than others.The 41% loss seems a lot though .

Daviet

rapid i think your forgetting pulsars are 4wd and your saff and the rst's we are talking about are 2wd.therefor 2 extra wheels to lose power through

Daviet

eil what power was or is eil running at?

rabmc

Seems some cossies struggle with the gtir`s never mind me little rst LOL

Lambchop

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[quote="rapidcossie"]
innit

euan ask alan about transmission losses and get him to tell you the wee story bout electric fires and a bucket of oil...EVERYONE should get that story and think about it and realise these "losses" are bollocks


chop

ps no tellin most people so not worth it...just keep shhhhhh and to yourself

Fiecos Dan

235@wheels at 12psi on std pulser + zorst.

i still smell bullsh_t.

some peeps just cant stop

rabmc

rapidcossie

[quote="Lambchop"]alan and i have had that convo in detail chop thats why i stirring a wee bit.
i know that if you lost 128 bhp thru the transmission it would probably melt wit the heat...
i will keep the rest for those in the know

Fast Guy

Right, I've asked, but we haven't found a winner (or is it loser) yet
Was it a red one, that's what they've narrowed it down to.

EIL132

Everyone knows power is measured theoretically by heat/loss. Vizard explains it beautifuly. However do RRs measure by heat/loss or by mathematical equation? Therefore are they correct? No. Simple answer really

T28 RST

What power did your RS Turbo make EIL

EIL132

I used AVA 3 times to what end I do not know as Alan didn't give me a print out, but gave sound advice hence creating the 4x4 intercooler and basically going for a RW set up. It then made a supposed 189 bhp@wheels at RGM with a stage 3 turbo, standard head,standard cam and no 5th injector However you can decide what it made with those modifications after My belief in RRs came to an end afterwards and decided to DIY from then onwards ala no RRs just what it did on the road

Fiecos Dan

fast guy,
wots red?

my bro's is white, and my mates 294bhp gtir is red.

also i'm talkin about 3/04 pts thrash, not the one just gone in 11/04.

Fast Guy

Was it the red 294 bhp Gtir you beat on the road?
I know it was the march PTS meet, which is why it's taking them sometime to remember

Fiecos Dan

yeah and my bro's, even tho it got a almighty 207bhp@fly on the day, but its run 4 12.8+9's since, and aint been touched.

Lambchop

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[quote="rapidcossie"]probably?!?

there would be a big fire i reckon

fiesta cossie
cant be arsed arguin cos i know the truth...all i will say is open yer eyes
who cares whats the guess made at flywheel figures?!its wheel power that counts in the real world

Anonymous

A 10s car & 183 mph sounds like big talk to me mate probably impressive pub talk , you dont quote times until you have done them if you want to be taken seriously.
Theres a Cossie in every pub quicker than mine & several on this Forum.
Talk is easy.
Rod

Fiecos Dan

your rite rod, talk is easy,

183mph is wot ive seen on my snooper, and my bro's road angle 2(both gps), i know it aint proven as yet,
but i am gona get it finished and get it to a test ground, so i can prove it.

lampchop,
wot your sayin is the rollin roads are quotin wronge,
not me,
so if its such a known fact, why do they keep quotin bhp@fly??

how much bhp@wheels does a good std esc/4*4 get then.

i have sed above twice now, bhp@is measured, and bhp@is calculated(guess wk)

Anonymous

Thats my boy!!
Achieve those times & you will be in the big league. Best of Luck, anyone who proves his car at somewhere like Brunters has my respect.
Rod

andy_turbo1987

well rabmcs2.ppl should never underestimate an rs turbo or its driver.my pal had a fairly tuned s2 rs turbo and bet a scooby wrx,me also bein a scooby owner gets jokes like 1.6motors are capable of beating 2.0 turbo'd monsters like mine.200sx would get smoked by u but i think the pulsar would be a different story,they r fast.

rabmc

No bother wish the guy that owned the pulsar and the guy that owned the 200sx was the other way round coz guy wa the pulsar is a aRSe i can hear him now , hes a ford hater which doesn`t` help

Fast Guy

Has this race happened yet?

rabmc

Nope passed the 200sx owner yesterday , he was heading up the opposite side of by-pass this will probably kick off next sunday coz knockhill is on and we all head up from this area so iLL just wait and see what happens GULP

david

Remember them hoses if you can mate see you up there