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16-10-2009, 10:04 PM
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You seem to confuse the term pay load and gross vehicle weight. These are 2 seperate measures totally. If the vehicle had a pay load of 3500kg then it can carry legally 3.5 tonnes. A pay load is a pay load and is what the vehicle can carry before it reaches it's limit. A 3500kg GVW vehicle that weighs 2000kg will have a pay load of 1500kg only. This particular vehicle in the first post only has a pay load of 1100kg so a standard empty series 2 RST and 1 person will put it on it's limit, which is it's gross vehicle weight of 3500kg.
Gross vehicle weight is the maximum the vehicle can weigh including all tools, equipment, occupants, fuel, spare wheels and goods or anything else carried in the vehicle.
Gross train weight is another thing all together again, as are individual axle weights.
Gross vehicle weight is the maximum the vehicle can weigh including all tools, equipment, occupants, fuel, spare wheels and goods or anything else carried in the vehicle.
Gross train weight is another thing all together again, as are individual axle weights.
16-10-2009, 10:16 PM
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dyson's build 3.5 ton tilt & slides that have a decent payload so it is possible but they have years of experience of building them.
looks like good quality work mate, ever considered building trailers??
looks like good quality work mate, ever considered building trailers??
16-10-2009, 10:25 PM
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Fair do's! I know a fair bit about it having dealt with vehicles all my working life. Maximum allowable/authorised Mass seems to be creeping in as a replacement term for GVW/GVM these days.
16-10-2009, 10:31 PM
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Yeah, first place I found it was in the gov.uk pages on towing and I wondered wtf it was. Much more used to GVW. Since then every new publication is written in the new terms.
17-10-2009, 10:15 AM
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look at your chassis plate/ vin tag. You should have a weight next to GTW, which is gross train weight. Your vehicle and the mass that it is towing with every thing on or in it must not exceed this figure.
For example. My van weighs 1900 kg empty and has a train weight of 5500kg. I weigh about 90kg and a tank of fuel is about 80 kg, making it about 2070kg. If i put a trailer on it with a car on the back, the trailer and car combination must not exceed 3430kg. That will reduce if i put anything in the back of my van.
For example. My van weighs 1900 kg empty and has a train weight of 5500kg. I weigh about 90kg and a tank of fuel is about 80 kg, making it about 2070kg. If i put a trailer on it with a car on the back, the trailer and car combination must not exceed 3430kg. That will reduce if i put anything in the back of my van.
17-10-2009, 11:53 AM
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you might however find that your van isnt allowed to tow that 3430, it might have a manufacturers towing limit of for instance 2600 in force, which would mean you could have a 2600kg trailer and 830kg in the back of the van,but NOT a 3430kg trailer.
17-10-2009, 03:53 PM
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i thought the vehicle towing had to be at least as heavy as what it is towing
actually i'm wrong there, thats just for me on my licence, i can apparently tow say i was in a 3.5t transit that weighed 1750kg then i could tow 1750 behind it, but it it only weighed in at 1500 then i could only tow 1500, but if it was fully loaded to 3.5t then i could still tow 750kg, got that off the direct gov website, its a bit backward really
i need to do my trailer test
actually i'm wrong there, thats just for me on my licence, i can apparently tow say i was in a 3.5t transit that weighed 1750kg then i could tow 1750 behind it, but it it only weighed in at 1500 then i could only tow 1500, but if it was fully loaded to 3.5t then i could still tow 750kg, got that off the direct gov website, its a bit backward really
i need to do my trailer test
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17-10-2009, 05:10 PM
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i thought the vehicle towing had to be at least as heavy as what it is towing
actually i'm wrong there, thats just for me on my licence, i can apparently tow say i was in a 3.5t transit that weighed 1750kg then i could tow 1750 behind it, but it it only weighed in at 1500 then i could only tow 1500, but if it was fully loaded to 3.5t then i could still tow 750kg, got that off the direct gov website, its a bit backward really
i need to do my trailer test
actually i'm wrong there, thats just for me on my licence, i can apparently tow say i was in a 3.5t transit that weighed 1750kg then i could tow 1750 behind it, but it it only weighed in at 1500 then i could only tow 1500, but if it was fully loaded to 3.5t then i could still tow 750kg, got that off the direct gov website, its a bit backward really
i need to do my trailer test
Wrong.
The trailer must weigh less than the unladen weight of the vehicle, you got that bit right.
The extra bit you missed was the 3500kg limit refers to the MAM of the vehicle and trailer, so if your transit is allowed to weight 3500 loaded youre stuck.
The best you can do on a normal license is a fairly heavy saloon car to minimise the difference between unladen and laden. Something like an audi A4 is 1400kg empty and 1900 laden, so you can put a 1400kg trailer behind it and still only be 3300 all counted.
17-10-2009, 07:35 PM
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Dan if people want to buy them then keep building them,if they are not aware of the ins and outs of the law,then surely your not oblidged to tell only if they ask,looks a nice truck though even if you can only carry a mk2 escort lol
17-10-2009, 07:42 PM
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roger dyson builds them and sells them and repairs them and fook me he knows everything about breakdown trucks and car transporters.
have you seen his van that john price uses for his 6r4's the reg is rdy50n.
thats a proper reg that is
my mate kept getting tugged by vosa and he found out this...
just because the law and the coppers tug you on the road does not mean they understand all the rules themselves and if they cock up on what they are saying because they don't understand their own rules they don't care.
also he had a iveco that had been built up as the truck above,it was a crew cab too and with 1 car on and 3 people it was well over 3.5 ton because it had been added to and was too heavy,he sold it on ebay as soon as he got home with his nice little fine,loads of people buy them on ebay and do not understand the laws on them and how vosa are clamping down now.
17-10-2009, 07:52 PM
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i work for a company who build these an the big recovery tucks there are so any rules and regs i just build steel tippers to spec what ppl want even the steel tippers have rules and regs they have to follow so id check wid the regs with extending chassis an weight to be honest i can find out but wouldnt be able to find out till monday
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