focus rs engine in mk3 fiesta?
12-10-2009, 06:50 PM
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focus rs engine in mk3 fiesta?
has anyone done a fiesta mk3 with a focus rs engine? is so any pics? will it be hard to get the engine in?
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pukka engine swaps boys,but i have never seen a focus rs engine in a mk3 fiesta.
just wounderd if any one has done 1.
whats the pros and cons of a silvertop to a black top?
just wounderd if any one has done 1.
whats the pros and cons of a silvertop to a black top?
12-10-2009, 07:48 PM
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con's smaller main caps... (but know one can say at what point the become weak)
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12-10-2009, 09:13 PM
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13-10-2009, 05:16 PM
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the black top does have some good starting points like they are easy to pickup , come with a race style baffled sump , and one of the most important parts which is the oil pump as you can buy billet gears for .
as for you fitting one andy it shouldnt be to hard but the silver top would simply just bolt in with fiesta 1.6si/fiesta rs1800 engine mounts and all the power steering etc so basically alot easier . your still gonna have a few headaches if you want to use the focus rs gearbox
hope this helps
cheers paul
13-10-2009, 06:13 PM
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oh crazycage just cause your running the black top engine doesnt mean its far better than the silvertop engine , if your gonna state the good points then i think its fare that you tell people the bad points like the mains bearing caps are a major weak point if your going big bhp as they are half the size of the silver top bottomend. also the cylinder head will flow slightly better than the silver top head but the silvertop head matched the blacktop head and we have seen this on my engine as ian promised me a genuine 460bhp engine and i got an extra 62 bhp and i know theres more to come so with the right head mods there is hardly no difference and has yet to be provern in dyno figures or on the road, i know will gallops engine is the only zetec in the country that has a genuine 600+bhp which is a black top but the fact remains that the most powerful zetec turbos that are built by normal everyday people and not professional racers are silver tops FACT !
the black top does have some good starting points like they are easy to pickup , come with a race style baffled sump , and one of the most important parts which is the oil pump as you can buy billet gears for .
as for you fitting one andy it shouldnt be to hard but the silver top would simply just bolt in with fiesta 1.6si/fiesta rs1800 engine mounts and all the power steering etc so basically alot easier . your still gonna have a few headaches if you want to use the focus rs gearbox
hope this helps
cheers paul
the black top does have some good starting points like they are easy to pickup , come with a race style baffled sump , and one of the most important parts which is the oil pump as you can buy billet gears for .
as for you fitting one andy it shouldnt be to hard but the silver top would simply just bolt in with fiesta 1.6si/fiesta rs1800 engine mounts and all the power steering etc so basically alot easier . your still gonna have a few headaches if you want to use the focus rs gearbox
hope this helps
cheers paul
whats the most power you know of from a standard silvertop head??
and you talk about all these big power silvertops but i only know of one that has ever done any thing and thats lucas and his head had about £2000 spent on it fact.
so the only plus side the silvertop has that i see is, its easyer to fit and has bigger mains
the blacktop has a better sump
a better oil pump
a better flowing head
soild lifters
better rod angle
and my engine was built by me in my garage and mapped by a friend and so far is showing up most things on the strip build by big name tuners!!! and its only going to get faster.
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13-10-2009, 10:25 PM
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ive never seen a set of main caps fail on a black top feel free to post up any pic's up if you can can find any???.
whats the most power you know of from a standard silvertop head??
and you talk about all these big power silvertops but i only know of one that has ever done any thing and thats lucas and his head had about £2000 spent on it fact.
so the only plus side the silvertop has that i see is, its easyer to fit and has bigger mains
the blacktop has a better sump
a better oil pump
a better flowing head
soild lifters
better rod angle
and my engine was built by me in my garage and mapped by a friend and so far is showing up most things on the strip build by big name tuners!!! and its only going to get faster.
whats the most power you know of from a standard silvertop head??
and you talk about all these big power silvertops but i only know of one that has ever done any thing and thats lucas and his head had about £2000 spent on it fact.
so the only plus side the silvertop has that i see is, its easyer to fit and has bigger mains
the blacktop has a better sump
a better oil pump
a better flowing head
soild lifters
better rod angle
and my engine was built by me in my garage and mapped by a friend and so far is showing up most things on the strip build by big name tuners!!! and its only going to get faster.
why do jay racing make bigger mains cap then! maybe someone knows something you dont and has invested time , money and machining cost of making these items. as for a standard silver top head i would say about 300/320 bhp and thats solid advice off ian who has brought a dynoflow flow bench , has done 100s of hours research and development and uses rick woods who is probably the best cylinder head tuner in the uk, will that do matey , was lucas head built by ian ? cause if it was then more like £1300 . also ian is not a tuner , it was a hobby like you and me and if it wasnt for people like ian you most probably wouldnt even know half the stuff about the zetec turbo as he invented most of it lol.
my engine would of been on the road years ago but iam making sure that everything is as i want it , doing something new , different and hopefully pushing the boundries a bit futher not only with the engine but the car also and this cost big money. the power your running aint the same as paul roberts your simply running more so drop it down to 280bhp and when you beat his times i will be the first to pat you on the back and say well done . i aint gonna come on hear and bitch but i know who i believe and thats mr ian howell who is simply the best zetec turbo builder in the game , someone who has pushed boundries , some who has done research and development , not just someone who has simply copied ians work over the years and is now claiming his work as there own . you say your showing up most things , but things have moved on in engine building in a massive way since 5/6 years ago when these times where set , maybe they would be faster but i know pauls car is on the road again so only time will tell
cheers paul
13-10-2009, 11:34 PM
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why do jay racing make bigger mains cap then! maybe someone knows something you dont and has invested time , money and machining cost of making these items. as for a standard silver top head i would say about 300/320 bhp and thats solid advice off ian who has brought a dynoflow flow bench , has done 100s of hours research and development and uses rick woods who is probably the best cylinder head tuner in the uk, will that do matey , was lucas head built by ian ? cause if it was then more like £1300 . also ian is not a tuner , it was a hobby like you and me and if it wasnt for people like ian you most probably wouldnt even know half the stuff about the zetec turbo as he invented most of it lol.
my engine would of been on the road years ago but iam making sure that everything is as i want it , doing something new , different and hopefully pushing the boundries a bit futher not only with the engine but the car also and this cost big money. the power your running aint the same as paul roberts your simply running more so drop it down to 280bhp and when you beat his times i will be the first to pat you on the back and say well done . i aint gonna come on hear and bitch but i know who i believe and thats mr ian howell who is simply the best zetec turbo builder in the game , someone who has pushed boundries , some who has done research and development , not just someone who has simply copied ians work over the years and is now claiming his work as there own . you say your showing up most things , but things have moved on in engine building in a massive way since 5/6 years ago when these times where set , maybe they would be faster but i know pauls car is on the road again so only time will tell
cheers paul
my engine would of been on the road years ago but iam making sure that everything is as i want it , doing something new , different and hopefully pushing the boundries a bit futher not only with the engine but the car also and this cost big money. the power your running aint the same as paul roberts your simply running more so drop it down to 280bhp and when you beat his times i will be the first to pat you on the back and say well done . i aint gonna come on hear and bitch but i know who i believe and thats mr ian howell who is simply the best zetec turbo builder in the game , someone who has pushed boundries , some who has done research and development , not just someone who has simply copied ians work over the years and is now claiming his work as there own . you say your showing up most things , but things have moved on in engine building in a massive way since 5/6 years ago when these times where set , maybe they would be faster but i know pauls car is on the road again so only time will tell
cheers paul
you like the old silvertop... i like the new blacktop which this thread WAS all about .
and im not going de-tune my engine just to get a pat on the back from you or anyone .pauls car is only fast on the 1/4 because it was silly light my car is a road car that gets used every day and has every bit of trim/spec that it left the factory with and still does 12s 1/4s . every fwd car on here that has ever one 12s was stripped out track /strip cars.
and i dont think i copied ians work and claimed to mine how may blacktop has ian built you keep saying all his engines are silvertops?
both manifolds on my engine were built by me and the exhaust system, the turbo is also something that ian wouldnt use he would put a t34 on it, i also run a focus rs box something else he never done in a fiesta
and my cr is way higher than what ian would run at 8.7.1. and i have also ran with 10.3.1 and and 9.2.1 .
all of what i know about zetecs is from my own testing on my own car
i found the safe limit of the oil pump by killing for my self !! not from ian or anyone else.
i found the out the hard way about the valve springs for my self aswell.
and im yet to find the limit of the standard head and cam as ive just maxed out my injectors .
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