My mondeo has broken down 3 times in the last 4 days.

Each time it's the same problem - the engine just dies accompanied by the glow plug light flashing.

Initially it won't start, the glowplug light clears with the ignition on but flashes when cranking.

After a few minutes, it will restart and drive normally with no plug light.

I've put my reader on it and it has logged code 1664. I gather this is a fuel pump fault code, but does anyone have any experience of this?

Cheers!



Neil.

 

Quite common - normally an injector problem....

 

I haven't seen you on here in YEARS Rob!

What's the best way to proceed then, are there any tests I can do to prove it or anything?

I heard the injectors are an arm and a leg!

 

neil, get it into flavels for an injector reprogram
worked wonders on my dads old ghia tdci

steve

 

Same symptoms Steve? Pretty fucking irritating as it just did it in the middle of the rush hour in the outside lane of the A19!!

Neil.

 

very very common,
egr valve needs replacing
not injectors, the injectors usually make it rough on start up and then when they pack up the car wont run very well at all, tdci injectors are coded to the vehicle and cost about £1000 to supply fit and recode!
egr valve is usually on the shelf in ur local fraud dealer.

http://www.fordmondeo.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Mk3

look up egr valve

 

Why would it record a fuel pump code for an EGR fault Chris?

 

p1664 is normally a code set when pcm (ecu) needs updating or injectors need reprogramming
p0251 and or p1211 codes are set when injectors and or fuel pump are fucked.

one thing that does spring to mind is the camshaft sensor.if its black its prob fucked as they changed to grey and give symptoms you describe.

EGR valves normally go on the 2.2.

 

What do you reckon then, bung a camshaft sensor in it and see what happens?

I'm concerned that it conks when I need it, that's all.

 

does it completely die and cut out then wont restart or just loses power?what year is it?

 

Trying to wind it over if it wont start will bring up a pump falt. EGR is possable. But if the injectors were out of calibration it would not run then start it would just run ruth. I have fitted a cam sensor many a time for this falt with modded wiring. I work for ford and no dis respect but after market scanners can lead you up the garden path with new ford diesels. I would pop it in to your locall ford dealer to have it pluged in to IDS then you will know for shore mate good luck.

 

U stoll my glory B19 there were 3 post as i was writing that lol.

 

is it a 2.0 or 2.2?yeah as said above.i too unfortunately also a techy at fords.see loads of probs on these and transits.cmp (camshaft postion)sensor is cheapest option to start with

 

lol sorry dude.makes a change for me to say something without 100 people already replying and repeating what ive said to get their post count up pmsl

 

Great info there you two

It's a 53 plate 130 TDCi LX, totally cuts out without warning then won't run again for a few minutes.

It's not the smoothest diesel in the world but I've heard plenty of other mondys the same or rougher.

Cheers

Neil.

 

welcome dude.glad to be of some help.yeah check ya cam sensor fella.take engine cover off,almost central above inlet manifold is a grey plug.see what colour the sensor is?

 

I'll have a look but it will have to be tomorrow night - I've abandoned the fucker at my parents' and brought the cossie home

Much appreciated, I might just get a sensor for it tomorrow lunchtime if they're cheap enough?

 

erm i vaguely think £25ish but prob totally wrong lol.i know they not £40+

 

Right then, will report back. Thanks again!

 

i had a 02 130 tdci with the same thing, garage said camshaft sens,had it replaced ,all ok for a while.sold the car to my sister a year later same problem,garage said it was the injectors then the pump,replaced both 3 days later same problem,i checked for leaks removed engine cover,split turbo pipe,replaced this,
ford reprogramed ,all well , sold car.

 

Mt tdci had exactly the same symptoms, and it was the cam sensor. faulty one was black, new one from ford was grey. hope this helps.

 

cam sensors are about £17 from ford

 

Mine did the same and broke down in fast lane of motorway.

Its the cam position sensor, which cost £16 from ford. As soon as you unclip the plasic engine cover you'll see it at the front of the engine, held with 1 bolt. Little fiddly but even a mechanical retard like me can fix it.

 

yeah split boost hose is another common issue but gives heavy black smoke and loss of power without the cutting out.
its nearly always the one from the egrto the intercooler at the front and 90% of the time splits on the upper bend lol

 

Mine too, did turn out to be the fuel pump, £480 to have it re-coned, so i would defiantly eliminate the cheaper possibilities first. I cant belive Ford released this engine has to be one of the most wanky diesel engines ever made.

 

its a good strong engine.never get base engine problems just the fuel pumps break up over time and contaminate the fuel injectors hence why they need doing at same time as pump.we have cars coming in on 200k+

 

I had this problem with mine last year.

Put it in to the dealer and they said injectors and fuel pump, also the ecu was playing up.

Wanted nearly £2k to fix it and I said no.

They then told me that they had to fit a crank sensor at £35 to get it into the workshop.

That is all that was wrong with it, and caused the other faults.

 

I had the same issues. dont no what the fault code was but i replaced the cam sensor ( about £16 from ford ) and all is well now

 

Well, I fitted a new one last night - so far so good

The one I removed was black, newie is grey.

Thanks for the help lads, much appreciated, fingers crossed it stays fixed!

Neil.

 

your welcome fella glad its fixed.between all the people on pf im sure someone can share knowledge on problems we all deal with

 

its a mondeo burn it best end to it loldnt take afence open the gate instead

 

Err thanks. Where do you buy your drugs?

 

my car is running has never not started or broken down it has black smoke coming out of it loss of power will still go 110 miles a hour but is a bit jerky at 50 2 people have said its the fuel pump any idears thanks will this pipe if split make a blowing noise or air noise i have changed the one on the right hand side which comes out of the intercooler this pipe was making a blowing noise ,

 

any pic of this hose and were it is thanks

 

Here go...

http://www.fordmondeo.org/forum/show...hp?tid/782604/

 

my car is a 02 ford mondoe ghia x tdci 130 1998cc this looks a different engine

 

I think i will replace the Cam sensor on mine for the sake of £16................

 

Aah, could be yours is the earlier version.

 

that sounds like the symptons i had on mine, it was the egr valve, try unplugging it, will work fine and pass an mot without it

 

Unplugging it can cause the management light to come on sometimes (according to the bods on the Mondeo forum) so it's better to leave it all fitted apparently, just blank it off (you can get blanking plates for £3 on the 'bay)