how much power is a blufin good for?
28-08-2009, 04:27 PM
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28-08-2009, 05:09 PM
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Care to share how 'its proven' other than some person saying it is?
i had a focus rs with de-cat, manifold, bluefin and forge acutator and best it could make was 276bhp trying to hold 21psi which it could not do the slightest.
don't forget most focus rs's are now approcahing 6-7 years old so i'd like to know how a standard tiny turbo can hold 20psi by only peaking at 22psi? show us a graph, video, any realistic evidence!
i had a focus rs with de-cat, manifold, bluefin and forge acutator and best it could make was 276bhp trying to hold 21psi which it could not do the slightest.
don't forget most focus rs's are now approcahing 6-7 years old so i'd like to know how a standard tiny turbo can hold 20psi by only peaking at 22psi? show us a graph, video, any realistic evidence!
This is above mods excluding the tubular mani, the blue line was a different actuator setup
so why are you trying to prove smething? go back to your boy racers!
i have heard everything i need to!
1.bluefin better than custom live map = joke Think he was refering to rik woods....
2.forge actuator makes a standard turbo hold 24psi with bluefin = bigger joke
3.bluefin has be hacked and renamed TUNA by rsoc boy racers = even bigger joke
4. newbie has just been brainwashed in parting with a custom map for a bluefin aka tuna generic map = total muppet!
A car that orignally cost 20k has been totally destroyed by a few peeps that used to roam in corsa and nova's with daddy's money and think that they know better than respected tuners! what is it with these spanners?
i love the bit where on an advert for a focus rs and its been owned by one of these guys its says serviced by my mate 'focus rs specialist, another words working from drive way at weekends as they work fulltime elsewhere and couldn't afford to pay tuner/dealer prices; and thats supposed to be a good thing!
i have heard everything i need to!
1.bluefin better than custom live map = joke Think he was refering to rik woods....
2.forge actuator makes a standard turbo hold 24psi with bluefin = bigger joke
3.bluefin has be hacked and renamed TUNA by rsoc boy racers = even bigger joke
4. newbie has just been brainwashed in parting with a custom map for a bluefin aka tuna generic map = total muppet!
A car that orignally cost 20k has been totally destroyed by a few peeps that used to roam in corsa and nova's with daddy's money and think that they know better than respected tuners! what is it with these spanners?
i love the bit where on an advert for a focus rs and its been owned by one of these guys its says serviced by my mate 'focus rs specialist, another words working from drive way at weekends as they work fulltime elsewhere and couldn't afford to pay tuner/dealer prices; and thats supposed to be a good thing!
Surely all rollers can't be wrong??? Standard turbo is fit for 300+bhp
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28-08-2009, 05:21 PM
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I've had my focus rs for yrs,in the early days all you could get was blue fin which in its self is perfect for running slightly modded e.g decat exhaust air filter.the car would run all day fine.soon as you up the boost you would get the dreaded misfire/cough at around 3250/3500 rpm,when i changed to the primary designs manifold turbo and down pipe with gt/29 turbo and the boost was at 21 psi the blue fin and the injectors,fuel pump just couldn't cope the car made 379bhp BUT was denting its tits off!! (was on std plugs)no one at the time knew that the fuel system was on its limits.
now my car has sm4 750cc injectors and a green top fuel pump,front mount intercooler was mapped by mark shead and runs 340bhp/375ft/lb fine the only the clutch was the weak point,which as now been done.the car is still on std internals
sorry for the long post but the point of it is, I've been there modified my focus the correct way with advice from various tuners and never had a problem.
the mine aim is talk to the tuner who is working on the car at the time they know there stuff. i have found that there are two many keyboard warriors out there saying to many different things.
cheers Matt
now my car has sm4 750cc injectors and a green top fuel pump,front mount intercooler was mapped by mark shead and runs 340bhp/375ft/lb fine the only the clutch was the weak point,which as now been done.the car is still on std internals
sorry for the long post but the point of it is, I've been there modified my focus the correct way with advice from various tuners and never had a problem.
the mine aim is talk to the tuner who is working on the car at the time they know there stuff. i have found that there are two many keyboard warriors out there saying to many different things.
cheers Matt
28-08-2009, 06:21 PM
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28-08-2009, 06:58 PM
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I've had my focus rs for yrs,in the early days all you could get was blue fin which in its self is perfect for running slightly modded e.g decat exhaust air filter.the car would run all day fine.soon as you up the boost you would get the dreaded misfire/cough at around 3250/3500 rpm,when i changed to the primary designs manifold turbo and down pipe with gt/29 turbo and the boost was at 21 psi the blue fin and the injectors,fuel pump just couldn't cope the car made 379bhp BUT was denting its tits off!! (was on std plugs)no one at the time knew that the fuel system was on its limits.
now my car has sm4 750cc injectors and a green top fuel pump,front mount intercooler was mapped by mark shead and runs 340bhp/375ft/lb fine the only the clutch was the weak point,which as now been done.the car is still on std internals
sorry for the long post but the point of it is, I've been there modified my focus the correct way with advice from various tuners and never had a problem.
the mine aim is talk to the tuner who is working on the car at the time they know there stuff. i have found that there are two many keyboard warriors out there saying to many different things.
cheers Matt
now my car has sm4 750cc injectors and a green top fuel pump,front mount intercooler was mapped by mark shead and runs 340bhp/375ft/lb fine the only the clutch was the weak point,which as now been done.the car is still on std internals
sorry for the long post but the point of it is, I've been there modified my focus the correct way with advice from various tuners and never had a problem.
the mine aim is talk to the tuner who is working on the car at the time they know there stuff. i have found that there are two many keyboard warriors out there saying to many different things.
cheers Matt
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28-08-2009, 07:43 PM
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Hopefully the loser has realised he is a c.ock an fooooked off
28-08-2009, 07:45 PM
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well guys if we want to see whos talking crap and who isnt il put my ian howell built engine which has forged pistons and rods tubular manifold ported head gt28 turbo militek decat and full millitek system mapped around 3-4 weeks ago by harvey gibbs and running 330-340 bhp against one of your 310-320 standard turbo rs cars then is it and lets see what a real 330 bhp looks like compared to a standard turbo 310-320 bhp car is it? oh yes and the management is pectal t2 so whos up for it? maybe one of the magazines would like to put it in just to see? whos talking shit and who's not!
28-08-2009, 07:52 PM
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Think this thread proves that there is alot to be learned over on the RSOC,
as the only people posting on this thread with a hint of a clue are all RSOC regulars,
everyone else doesn't seem to know their aRSe from their elbow!
Never read so much shit!
bluefin no good for over 300bhp? lol
Focus RS can't hold 20psi boost? lol
"tiny turbo" that is seven years old can't supply power? lol
WHAT A LOAD OF TOTAL PISH!
If you want a good tip in life,
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
as the only people posting on this thread with a hint of a clue are all RSOC regulars,
everyone else doesn't seem to know their aRSe from their elbow!
Never read so much shit!
bluefin no good for over 300bhp? lol
Focus RS can't hold 20psi boost? lol
"tiny turbo" that is seven years old can't supply power? lol
WHAT A LOAD OF TOTAL PISH!
If you want a good tip in life,
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
28-08-2009, 07:57 PM
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oh yeah fogot to add why dont you tell garrett turbo's that you can get up to 330 bhp from a standard frs turbo im sure they'll be really interested how you've managed to maybe they'll ask you to work for them NOT!
28-08-2009, 08:10 PM
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also you have to mind area under the graph is more important than peak bhp,id expect ur graph to have a bigger area than the basic frs's
genuine question as im lookin at frs's the now and would like to get some info in tuning on them
28-08-2009, 08:13 PM
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well guys if we want to see whos talking crap and who isnt il put my ian howell built engine which has forged pistons and rods tubular manifold ported head gt28 turbo militek decat and full millitek system mapped around 3-4 weeks ago by harvey gibbs and running 330-340 bhp against one of your 310-320 standard turbo rs cars then is it and lets see what a real 330 bhp looks like compared to a standard turbo 310-320 bhp car is it? oh yes and the management is pectal t2 so whos up for it? maybe one of the magazines would like to put it in just to see? whos talking shit and who's not!
with the list above there are a few out there that are hitting 380+. so why do you want a car at 310-320bhp?? They would have to de-tune their car..
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28-08-2009, 08:15 PM
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why cant it,what restricts it,a rst can push 200 on a std turbo and cossie can push 300 on a std turbo,albeit both are at or above there limits,so what stops a focus breaking 300 on a std turbo
also you have to mind area under the graph is more important than peak bhp,id expect ur graph to have a bigger area than the basic frs's
genuine question as im lookin at frs's the now and would like to get some info in tuning on them
also you have to mind area under the graph is more important than peak bhp,id expect ur graph to have a bigger area than the basic frs's
genuine question as im lookin at frs's the now and would like to get some info in tuning on them
you are welcome to have a look and i am sure your questions will be answered.
28-08-2009, 08:49 PM
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28-08-2009, 08:52 PM
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380 bhp on a standard turbo with my mods is it? who are you kidding.my point being my car is of a much higher spec and running 330-340bhp and id like to race one of your frs with a standard turbo running what you all say you are running with bluefin and a standard turbo cause theres no way a standard frs tubo no matter what other mods you've made will run much more than 290-300 at an absolute max!
28-08-2009, 09:12 PM
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this is getting thoroughly boring now - Justin and Morph CLEARLY have no idea what the fuck they're on about, so lets leave them to their little fantasy - FACT is that a GT25 Hybrid will outperform and outdrag a GT28 - little to no lag either, so let that be an end of it 
28-08-2009, 09:25 PM
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28-08-2009, 09:46 PM
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lets sort a race then and put your money where your mouth is? im honest about my car and what its running! so who's up for it? were not talking shit and for the record ive no idea who the guy is but we're not bullshitting dreamers like you guys just honest people not talking bullshit no's thats all nothing else and i for one would hold my hand up and admit being wrong if my car was beaten by one of your bluefin'ed standard turbo's running 300+ bhp cause it wont happen and i bet i wont get a race off any of you either? the problem here is we're not in a "click" and simply don't agree that a standard frs turbo will do over 300+ bhp and won't be bullshited into believeing that they will cause "ive got a graph that shows it does" as for what i paid for my engine its nowhere near what alot of you guys have spent on your own cars cause ian howell is a good freind of mine and i have been a customer of his for over 4 years but more to the point i doubt any of you know who he is even! when he still has the fastest speed for a focus and the highest top speed in the uk for a zetec turbo'd engine done by Paul Johnston but that's right he doesn't brag that he can get 300+bhp fron a standard frs turbo so he knows shit that the click isn't it!
28-08-2009, 09:47 PM
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380 bhp on a standard turbo with my mods is it? who are you kidding.my point being my car is of a much higher spec and running 330-340bhp and id like to race one of your frs with a standard turbo running what you all say you are running with bluefin and a standard turbo cause theres no way a standard frs tubo no matter what other mods you've made will run much more than 290-300 at an absolute max!
af base map (shit)
bluefin (mega rich)
std zort
forge actuator (blue spring direct, holds 19psi)
forge recirc valve (spring to match)
de cat pipe
k&n pannel filter
tubey mani (a cheep one!)
That lot cost around a bag of sand using second hand parts, mani & bluefin
283bhp/304ft on DD rollers
If i change (which i will do in time for alot of resions) the base map to AE up the boost to 21-22 on the std turbo it will see 320bhp
Shame you think so little of the rsoc really (frs anyway) theres a few VERY VERY clude up boys on there, thay've help the rest of the rsoc frs owners out no end!
A frs will do 350+ with either a hybrid 25 or a 28 on a bluefin...depens on how you like to drive a high powered fwd car imo
28-08-2009, 09:49 PM
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380 bhp on a standard turbo with my mods is it? who are you kidding.my point being my car is of a much higher spec and running 330-340bhp and id like to race one of your frs with a standard turbo running what you all say you are running with bluefin and a standard turbo cause theres no way a standard frs tubo no matter what other mods you've made will run much more than 290-300 at an absolute max!
Post up your graphs so we can have a looky how / when it comes on boost, afrs, torque curve etc
As for telling Garrett about what the turbo can do....whats to say we don't have a Honeywell / Garrett insider among us? Oh hang on actually we do and his FRS is knocking on the door of 400bhp and still running fine on std internals.
28-08-2009, 10:02 PM
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400 bhp is around the limit of standard internals so what! forged items are more about reliability to me and don't really give you any significant power or is that bollocks now aswell! guys my one and only point and that is a standard frs turbo is on its arse no matter what mods you've done at 290-300bhp.and ive no qualms with anyone here as ive seen pic's of some of your cars and they do look great and they're a credit to you but don't slate people just cause they're not in your "click" and they don't believe everything they read like some on here do! there's alot of people here who really do have much better knowledge than others and that's the ruth not blinkered bullshit!
28-08-2009, 10:04 PM
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Well there are graphs on here that say you are wrong.
Post up your graphs so we can have a looky how / when it comes on boost, afrs, torque curve etc
As for telling Garrett about what the turbo can do....whats to say we don't have a Honeywell / Garrett insider among us? Oh hang on actually we do and his FRS is knocking on the door of 400bhp and still running fine on std internals.
Post up your graphs so we can have a looky how / when it comes on boost, afrs, torque curve etc
As for telling Garrett about what the turbo can do....whats to say we don't have a Honeywell / Garrett insider among us? Oh hang on actually we do and his FRS is knocking on the door of 400bhp and still running fine on std internals.
Also, as Ilan has said, we HAVE got a insider from garratt who owns a beast of a FRS who knows these turbos inside and out, so im sure he'd be the first to tell us if the std turbo would be knackered at 300 bhp
We dont need a loser such as yourself who knows foook all. As we already have the best
28-08-2009, 10:05 PM
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I know also of a FRS in the Northwest that ran 396 bhp on a standard bluefin map on a hybrid turbo at 24 psi in order that standard injector duty cycles could go be measured maxxed out and the limit of the fuel pump.
There is plenty running over 300 bhp on the standard turbo at 21 psi and 360 bhp at 21 psi on hybrids.
There is plenty running over 300 bhp on the standard turbo at 21 psi and 360 bhp at 21 psi on hybrids.
28-08-2009, 10:12 PM
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400 bhp is around the limit of standard internals so what! forged items are more about reliability to me and don't really give you any significant power or is that bollocks now aswell! guys my one and only point and that is a standard frs turbo is on its arse no matter what mods you've done at 290-300bhp.and ive no qualms with anyone here as ive seen pic's of some of your cars and they do look great and they're a credit to you but don't slate people just cause they're not in your "click" and they don't believe everything they read like some on here do! there's alot of people here who really do have much better knowledge than others and that's the ruth not blinkered bullshit!
Which base mape do you run bud AF or AE?