to all the new focus rs fwd haters
12-07-2009, 11:43 PM
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The Scooby and Evo is still faster, yes they are 10k more, but let's be honest, we have been waiting for a ford that will beat them, and it's still not the one...
An evo 8 is still faster and you can pick one of them up second hand cheaper.
And if you load the RS up with all the goodies, you'll hit Evo and Scooby money easily.
An evo 8 is still faster and you can pick one of them up second hand cheaper.
And if you load the RS up with all the goodies, you'll hit Evo and Scooby money easily.
13-07-2009, 02:46 AM
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to me it wouldnt matter if it was 5secs faster than the renault,
i dont like it because its not 4x4 or rwd as a car, its not all about speed, just what i prefer....
i never have and cant see i will ever own a fwd rs, it isnt what they are about, whether clarkson likes it or not
i dont like it because its not 4x4 or rwd as a car, its not all about speed, just what i prefer....
i never have and cant see i will ever own a fwd rs, it isnt what they are about, whether clarkson likes it or not
...Bring somthing right wheel drive out, not poxy FWD
.... Just FWD boredom, nothing interesting about FWD at all 
13-07-2009, 07:07 AM
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And seeing the new shapes they have been bringing out, they are now hot hatches and not saloons anymore.
But I would choose the 4WD car over the FWD even if it cost 10k more.
We all want another Escos, which quite happily took the Evos and Scoobys on, the new RS doesn't.
13-07-2009, 07:14 AM
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At the end of the Day the bean counters dictate what is produced.
Until Ford recover financially from the mess they are in then , I don't think the glory days will ever return. For years they have promised a 4x4 cosworth type car to pick up the batton again.
I doubt it will ever happen, if the political fools get there way then a mildly warmed up Toyaota Prius is the best that will be available in 10 years time
Gordon Brown want us all to scurry round in electric powered Hamster mobiles, which is rich coming from an unelected man who can't even drive.
Until Ford recover financially from the mess they are in then , I don't think the glory days will ever return. For years they have promised a 4x4 cosworth type car to pick up the batton again.
I doubt it will ever happen, if the political fools get there way then a mildly warmed up Toyaota Prius is the best that will be available in 10 years time
Gordon Brown want us all to scurry round in electric powered Hamster mobiles, which is rich coming from an unelected man who can't even drive.
13-07-2009, 10:17 AM
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the renault is an excellent car , but as a practical car its limited...so if i was spending 24K on a toy ( recreational ) car...would it fuck be a megane!!!
If I was spending 25k on a car i can use every day, take the kids out in at the weekend, go shopping etc and wanted a bit of performance then the Focus is a very good car.
The renault, although impressive is a flawed concept IMO
I'd also love it if the FRS gets the option of the same tyres......
People on here are forgetting that the whole ethos of an RS is that its a fast version of an everyday car, they're accessable, cheap to run for the performance and offer just a taste of sports car performance for the average person, whilst still being an everday car.
Thats why they have such a following, because they have and always will be based on accessable, practical performance.
As for the 2wd haters......why would for invest heavily to make an overweight expensive version of a car that wouldnt be profitable that isnt 4wd in the rest of the range? Er..hellooooooooooooo
If I was spending 25k on a car i can use every day, take the kids out in at the weekend, go shopping etc and wanted a bit of performance then the Focus is a very good car.
The renault, although impressive is a flawed concept IMO
I'd also love it if the FRS gets the option of the same tyres......
People on here are forgetting that the whole ethos of an RS is that its a fast version of an everyday car, they're accessable, cheap to run for the performance and offer just a taste of sports car performance for the average person, whilst still being an everday car.
Thats why they have such a following, because they have and always will be based on accessable, practical performance.
As for the 2wd haters......why would for invest heavily to make an overweight expensive version of a car that wouldnt be profitable that isnt 4wd in the rest of the range? Er..hellooooooooooooo
13-07-2009, 10:40 AM
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For fucks sake why can't people wake the fuck up and see the RS for what it actually is? Its knocking on the door of a lot more capable cars out there, cars with more power, a more preferable pair of wheels doing the driving.
For ford to create a rwd/4wd focus would easily push the cost of it up another 10k, and who would pay that sort of money for a focus? Make it RWD and for those who could afford it would wrap them round trees in no time. The RS was designed to be a car that you can abuse round the track all day long keeping up with most things, while also being able to take you kids to school in the morning and doing the weekly shop at sainsburys.
Big deal its a second and a bit slower than a stripped out renault, but in the real world, would you really notice?
If I ever had that sort of money to buy a car like the RS or the megane, you can guarantee where my money will be going!
For fucks sake why can't people wake the fuck up and see the RS for what it actually is? Its knocking on the door of a lot more capable cars out there, cars with more power, a more preferable pair of wheels doing the driving.
For ford to create a rwd/4wd focus would easily push the cost of it up another 10k, and who would pay that sort of money for a focus? Make it RWD and for those who could afford it would wrap them round trees in no time. The RS was designed to be a car that you can abuse round the track all day long keeping up with most things, while also being able to take you kids to school in the morning and doing the weekly shop at sainsburys.
Big deal its a second and a bit slower than a stripped out renault, but in the real world, would you really notice?
If I ever had that sort of money to buy a car like the RS or the megane, you can guarantee where my money will be going!
13-07-2009, 04:44 PM
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For fucks sake why can't people wake the fuck up and see the RS for what it actually is? Its knocking on the door of a lot more capable cars out there, cars with more power, a more preferable pair of wheels doing the driving.
For ford to create a rwd/4wd focus would easily push the cost of it up another 10k, and who would pay that sort of money for a focus? Make it RWD and for those who could afford it would wrap them round trees in no time. The RS was designed to be a car that you can abuse round the track all day long keeping up with most things, while also being able to take you kids to school in the morning and doing the weekly shop at sainsburys.
Big deal its a second and a bit slower than a stripped out renault, but in the real world, would you really notice?
If I ever had that sort of money to buy a car like the RS or the megane, you can guarantee where my money will be going!
For fucks sake why can't people wake the fuck up and see the RS for what it actually is? Its knocking on the door of a lot more capable cars out there, cars with more power, a more preferable pair of wheels doing the driving.
For ford to create a rwd/4wd focus would easily push the cost of it up another 10k, and who would pay that sort of money for a focus? Make it RWD and for those who could afford it would wrap them round trees in no time. The RS was designed to be a car that you can abuse round the track all day long keeping up with most things, while also being able to take you kids to school in the morning and doing the weekly shop at sainsburys.
Big deal its a second and a bit slower than a stripped out renault, but in the real world, would you really notice?
If I ever had that sort of money to buy a car like the RS or the megane, you can guarantee where my money will be going!
Well the 4x4 Sapphire sold well enough at 27k, and the Escort at 30k+
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13-07-2009, 04:56 PM
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But it didn't.
You can say that about anything, but at least renault have got the balls to build such stuff & there was a time when Ford did too. But these days 1400kg is just far too much for a hot hatch.
They should have binned half of the junk to save 100kg. Then the car would be well on the money. Or at least offer a lighter version for the track.
You can say that about anything, but at least renault have got the balls to build such stuff & there was a time when Ford did too. But these days 1400kg is just far too much for a hot hatch.
They should have binned half of the junk to save 100kg. Then the car would be well on the money. Or at least offer a lighter version for the track.
13-07-2009, 05:13 PM
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13-07-2009, 05:29 PM
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In my opinion Ford should have done a 4wd option on the new Focus RS or done a limited edition run of them, The mk5 RS2000 was available in both!! That way they would get the sales figures needed to satisfy the boss's and give the car fans what they wanted-everybody happy that way!!
13-07-2009, 05:57 PM
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So let me get this right ...
everyone on here that is currently bumming the new fukarse is saying that if they had 25k they would spend it on a ford focus!
It looks a nice car and the testers seem to have fairly good things to say about it but if i was going to spend 25k on a car , it most definately wouldnt be on a focus.
everyone on here that is currently bumming the new fukarse is saying that if they had 25k they would spend it on a ford focus!
It looks a nice car and the testers seem to have fairly good things to say about it but if i was going to spend 25k on a car , it most definately wouldnt be on a focus.
13-07-2009, 05:58 PM
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So let me get this right ...
everyone on here that is currently bumming the new fukarse is saying that if they had 25k they would spend it on a ford focus!
It looks a nice car and the testers seem to have fairly good things to say about it but if i was going to spend 25k on a car , it most definately wouldnt be on a focus.
everyone on here that is currently bumming the new fukarse is saying that if they had 25k they would spend it on a ford focus!
It looks a nice car and the testers seem to have fairly good things to say about it but if i was going to spend 25k on a car , it most definately wouldnt be on a focus.
what does that have to do with if its a good car or not
13-07-2009, 06:24 PM
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Focus Rs data taken from a real autocar road test.
0-30mph 2.5 sec
0-60mph 5.7 sec
0-100mph 13.9 sec
0-150mph no data
0-200mph no data
30-70mph no data
0-400m 14.2 / 101 sec/mph
0-1000m 26.2 / 127.8 sec/mph
Audi S3 data from same test conditions Autocar
0-30mph 2.1 sec
0-60mph 5.7 sec
0-100mph 13.6 sec
0-150mph no data
0-200mph no data
30-70mph 5.1 sec
0-400m 13.9 / 102 sec/mph
0-1000m 25.5 / 130.4 sec/mph
So S3 is quicker.
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13-07-2009, 06:36 PM
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Your data is innacurate.
Focus Rs data taken from a real autocar road test.
0-30mph 2.5 sec
0-60mph 5.7 sec
0-100mph 13.9 sec
0-150mph no data
0-200mph no data
30-70mph no data
0-400m 14.2 / 101 sec/mph
0-1000m 26.2 / 127.8 sec/mph
Audi S3 data from same test conditions Autocar
0-30mph 2.1 sec
0-60mph 5.7 sec
0-100mph 13.6 sec
0-150mph no data
0-200mph no data
30-70mph 5.1 sec
0-400m 13.9 / 102 sec/mph
0-1000m 25.5 / 130.4 sec/mph
So S3 is quicker.
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Focus Rs data taken from a real autocar road test.
0-30mph 2.5 sec
0-60mph 5.7 sec
0-100mph 13.9 sec
0-150mph no data
0-200mph no data
30-70mph no data
0-400m 14.2 / 101 sec/mph
0-1000m 26.2 / 127.8 sec/mph
Audi S3 data from same test conditions Autocar
0-30mph 2.1 sec
0-60mph 5.7 sec
0-100mph 13.6 sec
0-150mph no data
0-200mph no data
30-70mph 5.1 sec
0-400m 13.9 / 102 sec/mph
0-1000m 25.5 / 130.4 sec/mph
So S3 is quicker.
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Max speed 155 m/h (250 km/h) 163.06 m/h (263 km/h)
the s3 and FRS have the same 0-60 time
isn't one 4WD?so like i said the s3 is no quicker really is it, any other hot hatchs???
13-07-2009, 06:47 PM
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But it didn't.
You can say that about anything, but at least renault have got the balls to build such stuff & there was a time when Ford did too. But these days 1400kg is just far too much for a hot hatch.
They should have binned half of the junk to save 100kg. Then the car would be well on the money. Or at least offer a lighter version for the track.
You can say that about anything, but at least renault have got the balls to build such stuff & there was a time when Ford did too. But these days 1400kg is just far too much for a hot hatch.
They should have binned half of the junk to save 100kg. Then the car would be well on the money. Or at least offer a lighter version for the track.
1.5 tonnes! Madness!!
And everyone who says it should have 4wd imagine adding another 100kg's +!!
13-07-2009, 06:56 PM
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whats it matter that it weigh's 1500kg? still performs well enough in its class does it not??
13-07-2009, 06:57 PM
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RS weight 1467KG
S3 Weight 1455 KG with 4WD
Where is all the weight on the RS because it weights the same as a diesel Audi A4 1460 KG which is a big car.
At 1350KG I would be in agreement that the focus would be the faster car but at 1467KG its a beast. This car could be lightning quick if it went on a diet.
Alloy panels like The EVO 6, Alloy bonnets like the clio 172.
It all adds up to make a more economical better handling car.
What Ford has created is a good car & I would have one no doubt.
13-07-2009, 07:12 PM
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Basically all they've done is put an LSD on it and give it 300bhp to compensate for all the weight. The LSD was a smart move, but when a 226bhp renault pisses over it surely you've got realise you did something wrong.
And before you say top gear test track (which still proves my point) look up drivers republic and see the R26r and RS on track to see how big the difference is.
If you've ever been to a track day the stripped out cars can carry so much more speed through the corners, theres even a video of autocar driving the R26r on the ring and I can't see the focus being anywhere near as composed!
13-07-2009, 07:25 PM
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Body roll, wont change direction as quick as a lighter car, uses more fuel, big heavy engine makes it nose heavy, harder/more expensive on brakes and wont stop as quick. So all in all makes for a slower car
Basically all they've done is put an LSD on it and give it 300bhp to compensate for all the weight. The LSD was a smart move, but when a 226bhp renault pisses over it surely you've got realise you did something wrong.
And before you say top gear test track (which still proves my point) look up drivers republic and see the R26r and RS on track to see how big the difference is.
If you've ever been to a track day the stripped out cars can carry so much more speed through the corners, theres even a video of autocar driving the R26r on the ring and I can't see the focus being anywhere near as composed!
Basically all they've done is put an LSD on it and give it 300bhp to compensate for all the weight. The LSD was a smart move, but when a 226bhp renault pisses over it surely you've got realise you did something wrong.
And before you say top gear test track (which still proves my point) look up drivers republic and see the R26r and RS on track to see how big the difference is.
If you've ever been to a track day the stripped out cars can carry so much more speed through the corners, theres even a video of autocar driving the R26r on the ring and I can't see the focus being anywhere near as composed!
its ALOT quicker then the mk1 one in your sig so surely they have advanced and not taken a step backwards? this ISN'T a track car so comparing it to the r26r is pointless IMO compare it to the normal r26 megane fully loaded and theres a massive difference as expected,
13-07-2009, 07:32 PM
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And comparing it to the R26, what’s the point it's a car with 74bhp less. That’s the whole point I'm making ford claimed to be making the ultimate hot hatch which was superseded as soon as it was released! And all that was needed was a diet.
Can't believe you don't get this!!
13-07-2009, 07:37 PM
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If you own a type r and don't get what I've just said then I'm clearly wasting my time. Did you not get the reason your doors go "ping" when they shut and you can hear everything because there no sound proofing and your windows are so thin they rattle when they're down a bit!!
And comparing it to the R26, whats the point it's a car with 74bhp less. Thats the whole point I'm making ford claimed to be making the ultimate hot hatch which was superseded as soon as it was released! And all that was needed was a diet.
Can't believe you don't get this!!
And comparing it to the R26, whats the point it's a car with 74bhp less. Thats the whole point I'm making ford claimed to be making the ultimate hot hatch which was superseded as soon as it was released! And all that was needed was a diet.
Can't believe you don't get this!!
ford have made the ultimate hot hatch though imo i dont see a better all rounder on the market?
13-07-2009, 09:09 PM
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your missing a massive point 300 bhp is nothing its just a starting point to most 4wd cars, whats going to happen when you put say another 100 bhp into the fwd? torque steer , this car could have been brilliant and spoilt by fwd, and when channel 5 tested it the first thing they said as soon as they put it around a track was torque steer , they then put the evo x around the track 4wd and no torque steer infact he used one hand while driving it around the track, i still love it but power wise your stuck at 300 bhp
13-07-2009, 10:23 PM
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If you own a type r and don't get what I've just said then I'm clearly wasting my time. Did you not get the reason your doors go "ping" when they shut and you can hear everything because there no sound proofing and your windows are so thin they rattle when they're down a bit!!
And comparing it to the R26, whats the point it's a car with 74bhp less. Thats the whole point I'm making ford claimed to be making the ultimate hot hatch which was superseded as soon as it was released! And all that was needed was a diet.
Can't believe you don't get this!!
And comparing it to the R26, whats the point it's a car with 74bhp less. Thats the whole point I'm making ford claimed to be making the ultimate hot hatch which was superseded as soon as it was released! And all that was needed was a diet.
Can't believe you don't get this!!
http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/roadca...w/Default.aspx
this is the r26r
http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/roadca...n/Default.aspx
if ford were going to limit production of a focus rs-r to just 450 examples then i'm sure it would trounce the renault
13-07-2009, 10:26 PM
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13-07-2009, 10:37 PM
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Ford need to launch a big power 4WD car to compete with the new real performance cars imo, its what the vast majority of the Ford enthusiats want, people have no option so they turn to other marques... hence passionford turning into passionevo, passionbmw, passionsubaru etc!
13-07-2009, 10:42 PM
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Seriouse question for all the people saying make it 4wd to compete with the evo's and scoobys
Do you really think ford could build a car for the same money as an evo or scooby and make it better? Cause there is no point making one as good as, it would have to be better to make it a worth while performance car.
Do you really think ford could build a car for the same money as an evo or scooby and make it better? Cause there is no point making one as good as, it would have to be better to make it a worth while performance car.
13-07-2009, 10:44 PM
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this is the normal r26
http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/roadca...w/Default.aspx
this is the r26r
http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/roadca...n/Default.aspx
if ford were going to limit production of a focus rs-r to just 450 examples then i'm sure it would trounce the renault
http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/roadca...w/Default.aspx
this is the r26r
http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/roadca...n/Default.aspx
if ford were going to limit production of a focus rs-r to just 450 examples then i'm sure it would trounce the renault
I have an R26, at this time all stock, the wifey has a 280BHP ST3, the focus is quicker straight line, the Renault faster on the twisty bits, and lets not forget the r26 already has the Renault version of the revoknuckle suspension that ford apparently had to design around for the RS.
Without pushing the argument any further both are good cars, I would love the wife to buy the RS so i get to play but she loves the ST to much.
I have a feeling we will see a stage2 R26R Vs a stripped out lightened RS focus over the summer...but the argument will still rage on
13-07-2009, 10:52 PM
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Seriouse question for all the people saying make it 4wd to compete with the evo's and scoobys
Do you really think ford could build a car for the same money as an evo or scooby and make it better? Cause there is no point making one as good as, it would have to be better to make it a worth while performance car.
Do you really think ford could build a car for the same money as an evo or scooby and make it better? Cause there is no point making one as good as, it would have to be better to make it a worth while performance car.
13-07-2009, 10:56 PM
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Long over due i agree but all the other car makers sort of specialise in 4wd motors or rwd cars for example audi are renowned for quattro bmw make nothing but rwd with the exception of the mini, basically what i'm saying is ford dont have a 4wd or rwd car in there line up which must make it difficult to produce a 1 off special.
Personally i think ford could never compete with the evo and scoobie anymore which is a shame
Personally i think ford could never compete with the evo and scoobie anymore which is a shame
13-07-2009, 10:58 PM
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The renault boys are all seeing around 275 to 285BHP with a stage 2 map now...i have a feeling an r26r with such a map would be quite a serious track weapon.
I have an R26, at this time all stock, the wifey has a 280BHP ST3, the focus is quicker straight line, the Renault faster on the twisty bits, and lets not forget the r26 already has the Renault version of the revoknuckle suspension that ford apparently had to design around for the RS.
Without pushing the argument any further both are good cars, I would love the wife to buy the RS so i get to play but she loves the ST to much.
I have a feeling we will see a stage2 R26R Vs a stripped out lightened RS focus over the summer...but the argument will still rage on
I have an R26, at this time all stock, the wifey has a 280BHP ST3, the focus is quicker straight line, the Renault faster on the twisty bits, and lets not forget the r26 already has the Renault version of the revoknuckle suspension that ford apparently had to design around for the RS.
Without pushing the argument any further both are good cars, I would love the wife to buy the RS so i get to play but she loves the ST to much.
I have a feeling we will see a stage2 R26R Vs a stripped out lightened RS focus over the summer...but the argument will still rage on
seeing as you are posting from the sensible side of the fence
would you sacrifice the comforts of the focus to gain the second or so in the megane?which is what it all boils down to at the end of the arguing does it not
just look at how many peole have a cossie and their stage 3 just isn't enough, and then they have to make lots of changes to gain that extra bit of urge is what i see it as
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seeing as you are posting from the sensible side of the fence would you sacrifice the comforts of the focus to gain the second or so in the megane?
which is what it all boils down to at the end of the arguing does it not
just look at how many peole have a cossie and their stage 3 just isn't enough, and then they have to make lots of changes to gain that extra bit of urge is what i see it as
would you sacrifice the comforts of the focus to gain the second or so in the megane?which is what it all boils down to at the end of the arguing does it not
just look at how many peole have a cossie and their stage 3 just isn't enough, and then they have to make lots of changes to gain that extra bit of urge is what i see it as
Want to guess which was the quicker car??? the stock one with the 270BHP remap.Adding power rarely gets you going quicker without the right chassis...those who lower the r26 usually ruin how the car handles...weight is also massively important.
Ford have done a ton of work to get 300BHP to the road on the RS, thats for sure, what they should have done IMO is released the RS like the R26R, have an option to add a few lux items (for those who have to have them) but keep the weight as low as you possibly can.
Get back to how GTi's used to be, light weight with powerful engines and awesome chassis....
Lets look at where they could have saved weight.
carbon bonnet
Plastic front wings
light weight seats
less airbags
smaller dash
no stereo
rear seats only as an option
Light weight door cards
manual windows
etc etc
Then if you want the comforts you add them in as options...people could then make a choice.
I know i was pissed when Renault released the r26R as that was the car i always wanted...looks like i will just have to strip out the r26 to create a clone
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13-07-2009, 11:39 PM
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have a look at this the clio cup can keep up with a rs focus 2 and the clio only got 200 bhp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae4RqTW5UDU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae4RqTW5UDU
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As good as a FWD car this focus is it is nothing but a bean counters car, a new focus is due next year and this is just a end of line special. As has already been pointed out ford made two versions of the rs2000 there where even plans to use the 4x4 system in a version of the xr3i, however for some reason despite the ford parts bin overflowing with 4x4 / awd systems they can't be bothered to sell us a focus with one.
They manged to sell plenty of expensive 4x4 sierra cosworth's and escort cosworth's, most people after these cars see past the it's only a ford badge snobbery, it's a sad state of affairs when ford USA that only ever seem to be interested in making trucks and suv's are offering a 3.5lt v6 twin turbo awd lard arse saloon yet ford Europe can't give us a worthy escort cosworth replacement, oh well there is always the next focus.