Apparantly these wheel spacers are fine and safe?
02-07-2009 | 11:41 PM
#41
there are a uck load of drifters using massive spacers and 0 or even minus offsets on the their cars. and how many have failed?
not a fucking lot!
yes laws of phsyics etc would say that there is more leverage possibly on the bearing, but in reality, what proof do you have they will fuck it up?
none?
23-08-2009 | 06:43 PM
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id be more worried it snapped the stub axle with the crowbar type force tbh or even bent the wishbone ect as theres extra fulcrum on them parts,,, i dont give a stuff about drifters,, there wheels are slipping and under no grip so not as much force compared to a pot hole at 80mph
cant see why nobody gets this
car suspension can bent if you hit a curb to harsh,,, with that fulcrum its gonna make the same sort of bumper harsher
fudgey your argument makes about as much sence as me saying " how many people you know who speed have killed someone,,, i do 150 on the motorway and ive yet to die or kill someone and knows loads of people who do the same,,,,, so its not dangerous"
its what happens IF the stub axle shears off id be more worried about
cant see why nobody gets this
car suspension can bent if you hit a curb to harsh,,, with that fulcrum its gonna make the same sort of bumper harsher
fudgey your argument makes about as much sence as me saying " how many people you know who speed have killed someone,,, i do 150 on the motorway and ive yet to die or kill someone and knows loads of people who do the same,,,,, so its not dangerous"
its what happens IF the stub axle shears off id be more worried about
23-08-2009 | 07:20 PM
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thing is, i can see these being a joke, just to see what they look like but a bet they cost quite a bit to have made, so its a pretty expensive joke, lol, and i can see this failing an MOT or even bein pulled and ordered to a test station, seen it happen before to stupid cars, lol
23-08-2009 | 07:50 PM
#54
Thats never going to get full lock without the tyre catching on the inner arches/A pillars etc....
With the right offset wheel that the spacers should cause too much of an issue but thats just wrong.....
With the right offset wheel that the spacers should cause too much of an issue but thats just wrong.....
23-08-2009 | 08:45 PM
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Oh I give up, I'm just trying to use a simple example to explain the extra leaverage force having such a stupid spacer will apply to the remaining wheel hub and suspension assembly I am not
i)Saying a spacer is a tree
ii)Trying to say the bolts will fail
Car suspension on most cars were not designed to rund spacers, especially ones of that size and car manufactures spend untold in development to get the most reliable and durable set ups. Sticking something like that on a car will fuck that and cause problems.
i)Saying a spacer is a tree
ii)Trying to say the bolts will fail
Car suspension on most cars were not designed to rund spacers, especially ones of that size and car manufactures spend untold in development to get the most reliable and durable set ups. Sticking something like that on a car will fuck that and cause problems.
Increasing the leverage will cause extra strain on bushes more so than bearings, depending on fitment as stated before.
It wont cause a safety issue. Think of where the point of most strain will be if you use this spacer. it will put most strain on the hubs. Without a spacer, where is the most strain? on the hubs.
23-08-2009 | 08:51 PM
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what do you notice ????
get a ratchet and try and undo a wheel nut,, not get a breaker bar,, what do you notice
did nobody even learn about leverage/fulcrum in science ?
the longer the bar the easier it is to move at a penalty of needing to cover more distance,,,,, now think about the stubaxle,,,, thats what the car is sitting on the wheel bearings with
23-08-2009 | 08:54 PM
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Ok... here is a little experiment for you...
Get a long sturdy tree branch, jam on end into a vice or something that will prevent you moving it.
Now grab part of the branch closest to the vice and try and snap the branch. Now depending on how strong you are or arn't you may break it. But its probably going to be hard work doing so.
Now grab the end furthest away from the vice and try and break it. You should find holding the far end means its easier to break it.
Now imagine the vice is a wheel hub and bearing, the branch is a spacer and your hand is the wheel. By placing a spacer between the wheel and bearing you are creating the same effect. Your moving the wheel further away from the point where the load is transfered along the suspension. Ideally you want all support directly over or under the place where the load is applied not 140mm out to the side of it.
Get a long sturdy tree branch, jam on end into a vice or something that will prevent you moving it.
Now grab part of the branch closest to the vice and try and snap the branch. Now depending on how strong you are or arn't you may break it. But its probably going to be hard work doing so.
Now grab the end furthest away from the vice and try and break it. You should find holding the far end means its easier to break it.
Now imagine the vice is a wheel hub and bearing, the branch is a spacer and your hand is the wheel. By placing a spacer between the wheel and bearing you are creating the same effect. Your moving the wheel further away from the point where the load is transfered along the suspension. Ideally you want all support directly over or under the place where the load is applied not 140mm out to the side of it.
23-08-2009 | 08:55 PM
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ok try and close a door pushing from the side where the hinges are and the try and close a door from the side away from the hinges
what do you notice ????
get a ratchet and try and undo a wheel nut,, not get a breaker bar,, what do you notice
did nobody even learn about leverage/fulcrum in science ?
the longer the bar the easier it is to move at a penalty of needing to cover more distance,,,,, now think about the stubaxle,,,, thats what the car is sitting on the wheel bearings with
what do you notice ????
get a ratchet and try and undo a wheel nut,, not get a breaker bar,, what do you notice
did nobody even learn about leverage/fulcrum in science ?
the longer the bar the easier it is to move at a penalty of needing to cover more distance,,,,, now think about the stubaxle,,,, thats what the car is sitting on the wheel bearings with
on the other hand, the car is supposed to be a trailor queen so won't be hittin ghte road at any point so all this arguing is just sillyness
23-08-2009 | 08:59 PM
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23-08-2009 | 09:00 PM
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23-08-2009 | 09:09 PM
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ok try and close a door pushing from the side where the hinges are and the try and close a door from the side away from the hinges
what do you notice ????
get a ratchet and try and undo a wheel nut,, not get a breaker bar,, what do you notice
did nobody even learn about leverage/fulcrum in science ?
the longer the bar the easier it is to move at a penalty of needing to cover more distance,,,,, now think about the stubaxle,,,, thats what the car is sitting on the wheel bearings with
what do you notice ????
get a ratchet and try and undo a wheel nut,, not get a breaker bar,, what do you notice
did nobody even learn about leverage/fulcrum in science ?
the longer the bar the easier it is to move at a penalty of needing to cover more distance,,,,, now think about the stubaxle,,,, thats what the car is sitting on the wheel bearings with
I see your point, in that it will put too much pressure on the bearings etc.... but providing it is set up correctly, and in line it shouldnt put too much strain on the bearings.
23-08-2009 | 09:19 PM
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The main force is still being put on the hubs, which will be put through the suspension/bushes etc...
I see your point, in that it will put too much pressure on the bearings etc.... but providing it is set up correctly, and in line it shouldnt put too much strain on the bearings.
I see your point, in that it will put too much pressure on the bearings etc.... but providing it is set up correctly, and in line it shouldnt put too much strain on the bearings.
they sit on bearings that sit in the stub axle, the angle of the wheels means nothing,,,, put your tv on a shelf then screw a longer peice of wood about 5 foot long to it ut the same 5ins brackets and then add the tv at the end of it and see ,,,, what happens to the shelf with the same weight of tv ????
23-08-2009 | 09:27 PM
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mate how are the hubs connected to the car ???
they sit on bearings that sit in the stub axle, the angle of the wheels means nothing,,,, put your tv on a shelf then screw a longer peice of wood about 5 foot long to it ut the same 5ins brackets and then add the tv at the end of it and see ,,,, what happens to the shelf with the same weight of tv ????
they sit on bearings that sit in the stub axle, the angle of the wheels means nothing,,,, put your tv on a shelf then screw a longer peice of wood about 5 foot long to it ut the same 5ins brackets and then add the tv at the end of it and see ,,,, what happens to the shelf with the same weight of tv ????
I see what you mean though, that the weight will pull it down etc..., but at worse, these spacers will accelerate bearing wear. Not mean itl pull the stub from the hub.
23-08-2009 | 09:34 PM
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mate it could snap the stubaxle though on the rear of the car,, there really is a chance it COULD happen,, thats why they dont makes spacers that long on hummers, land rovers ect ect ect,,, they need a wide wheel base but the hubs are still close and bearings at both ends,,, having a bearing on one side with the rotational forces is not a good idea,,, at BEST its gonna cause bearing wear, a pot hole coud cause a fracture and over time that could be made worse
23-08-2009 | 09:42 PM
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mate it could snap the stubaxle though on the rear of the car,, there really is a chance it COULD happen,, thats why they dont makes spacers that long on hummers, land rovers ect ect ect,,, they need a wide wheel base but the hubs are still close and bearings at both ends,,, having a bearing on one side with the rotational forces is not a good idea,,, at BEST its gonna cause bearing wear, a pot hole coud cause a fracture and over time that could be made worse
Yep point taken.
23-08-2009 | 10:11 PM
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apprently they are to help build the kit only , i know the lad who is doing the bodywork , its having a custom kit , and once the kit is made its having a new suspension setup designed and built
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