jamieRST

Hi guys,
I'm jamie i own a 88 spec Escort RS Turbo mfi with some mods.I am looking to go Efi as i want to go reliably over 200bhp in the not to distant furure.

I cant decide what management to get,I dont want to go cossie management,fiesta efi or megasquirt for my own reasons.
out of gotech mfi pro/dta s60 pro/omex 600 which would you say is better and why?the ecu has to be able to tune ignition and fueling,this is why i am not getting the cheaper varients.
also i know jamsport is the best place for gotech,but where would be the best place to go to have dta or omex fitted and mapped?

hope you can help

cheeRS

Jamie

jamieRST

if you want to see the specs of any of the ecus,heres the links to each one.
http://www.omextechnology.co.uk/Ecus/600/omem600.htm
http://www.dtafast.co.uk/S_60_PRO.htm
http://www.jam-sport.co.uk/gotechmfipro.asp

leecavturbo

Omex easy. good user software and features. does the 600 have knock detection too?
you do realise how expensive the whole process is jamie?

jamieRST

yes it does m8 and yea i no its not cheap,but would rather that than spend 5k on my engine and have mfi fuck it up cuz it decides it wants to die

leecavturbo

other thing to concider is travelling to a mapper an issue either logistically or cost wise?
i'd say you are looking at 2k for aftermarket all installed and mapped.
i factor in that there is always some problem preventing a 1 map only all done visit i.e your spec maybe incorrect or wiring loom / sensor issue.
lots to concider

zvhrst

omg!
how can u want to compare these,

s60 is an awsome easy user friendly ecu, suffers from the same problems as all DTAs tho which is radomly decides to freeze on you when mapping somtimes

omex, not had 1st hand experience but ive heard its good, and from what ive heard etc is the best of the 3,
altho trying to use big injectors with it causes problems in low revs so am told ?

go tech..... not used, but been told its a good budjet system

jamieRST

well ive pretty much decided that now the cars of the road,thats where its staying.i will be redoing the whole car/engine etc and the management will be the last thing,hope to use a base map if i fit it myself to get it to the tuners,or just have it fitted and mapped at the same time,so it should not need mapping all the time as i will have all the mods i want.i no a m8 who has a low loader so should be able to get it where it needs to go,obviously it wont be cheap for the whole process,but should be worth it in the end.
so thats +1 for omex,any 1 else?

zetaboostboy522bhp

i know its not no the list but what about pectel t2 ecu , fookin brill and was designed to run on ford engines and used in alot of motorsport teams etc
ecu t2 Ł650
new custom built harness Ł450
live map Ł300 (ahmed bajoo)
plus he will give you a base map to get you to the garage for the live map
p.m me if your interested and i will have a word with ian howell

cheers paul and good luck with your project

tabetha

There are others to consider, don't just pay for a name, don't pay over the odds for one that has features you realistically are never going to use, consider what you want from the ecu, and as said location of who you want to use, although I always think it's worth travelling as far as needed for the person that you want to do it anyway.
You can get a decent ignition and fuelling ecu for Ł350, nothing fancy but got all the bits you need with no extras.
I would also consider ease of backup should it be necessary.
I don't know for certain but assume they would all have a base map ?, as close to the spec you are doing as possible.
tabetha

zvhrst

from first hand experience mate, i would ditch the 3 mentioned and go for emerald k3,

i use it on my focus RS and my 3 door sierra 24v v6 cossworth

infact i use the same ecu and swap it between cars lol,

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zvhrst

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jamieRST

zvhrst

also have been a few comments on here recently about how emerald ecus have functions that dont work.like the idea of 3 seperate maps,would be very handy.
how u gonna map it?on the road,or on rollers?
http://www.emeraldm3d.com/em_k3.html

simon170

I think all those systems will do a good job, its the info put into them that counts. As long as a reputable tuner does the mapping they will all do a great job.

leecavturbo

agreed. you can drastically reduce costs tho with simple things like using a local tuner as transporting cars around the country isn't cheap any more . newly built cars rarely run on base maps and even worse over fueling will kill your new bores and rings in no time. so if there is a budget you should concider distance as you will more than likely need visit after visit to your mapper. i doubt there is anyone on here who has had a drastic a change as going aftermarket and only had 1 mapping session.
so pick a tuner first and go with what ecu they can map/prefer

jamieRST

am speaking with jamsport at the moment to get a price of a gotech mfi pro setup on the RS.
GUYS there are no "reputable tuners"in Plymouth or local so im going to have to travel missions anyway,and it will probably be done on a low loader.
thanks for the comments so far

tabetha

Ask yourself why Emerald doesn't advertise, no need to, althoug he(Dave w) writes for PPC he is not even listed in the rolling road listing.
Has recently been looking at another RR as an addition, not a replacement, so they can get through the backlog a bit quicker.
I can honestly say I have never seen ANY emerald of any age or version that was supposed to have something/feature that didn't work, and or was not sorted foc by emerald.
I have personally been there whilst another person's mistake on putting cars together have resulted in fried ecu(lambda wire dropped on exhaust, in trans tunnel, as plastic clip melted), this was a car from I think either Sweden or Switzerland, and was catching the following mornings ferry back(on trailer) dave and karl did a repair on ecu FOC repaired loom FOC, sorted car ready to go, no extra cost whatsoever, I know this is the case as I was there, and had to put my playing with a few settings off as a result of it.
I use K3 myself, I have known plenty of times basic silly faults had to be fixed on cars first before engine even ran, and there has been no extra charge.
They are the most down to earth people there is, if he doesn't think it would suit someones needs he tells them, back up is very impressive.
What you have been offered(above) is a great deal, rip his arm off imo.
tabetha

OldDan

I use Omex 600 because that's what the mapper likes.

tabetha

Emerald has many peeps around the country that do set ups.
The software is very simple to use, needing nothing more than the average laptop, with the cable supplied.
Two that come to mind your way are RK Engineering(cornwall) and Richards bros.
tabetha

jamieRST

ok have checked out the two tuners in cornwall thanks for that tabetha
Jamsport have got back to me,mfi pro fitted and mapped if i supply my own inlet,Ł950 then add on top

Fiesta Turbo leads and DIS pack
Crank sensor
EFI flywheel
Injectors
Fuel pressure reg

Can i get a lightweight efi flywheel from anywhere?in the larger size so i can have a AP organic clutch?

and also where can i get the fuel pressure reg?

and can i use this for the coil pack?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EDIS-4-INGITIO...3A1%7C294%3A50

everyones comments are helping me decide,cheers guys,keep em comin
jamie

Bryan_RST

i have mfi pro and i use 803 dark green Injectors and i use a 2wd cosworth Fuel pressure reg and i use a fiesta xr2i efi flywheel witch has bin lighten

zvhrst

i would live map on the road,

i too have not had any problem with emerald at all, there so helpfull,

i had no problems with it on my focus RS

i had some wiring issues with it regarding coil on my 24v cossie lump, which they spent half a day doing reaserch for me and gave me advice on what to do. in the end it was sorted thanks to the back up at emerald,

imo, i will never use anything other than a K3 on all my future projects, unless they release another ecu lol, but all the upgrades for the k3 are also free via emails,

also mate if you wanted a k3 fitting, i can show you how to map it yourself if you buy a wideband and det cans.

you cant blow an engine up unless you do sumet stupid,
you can make them underpowered if its not right

pm me if u want any advice or info or to know about my experience etc

tabetha

Dave mapped a 3 door track car, just before x mas, only on a running in map, as zero miles on engine, it has broken a record at a track already, and this was supposed to have been fully run up by someone else who has much respect, amazing he could do it with it counting two lots of tdc due to missing/low teeth, of course this had to be sorted first but found problem and got there in the end, that was a 11:30pm finish!!
Me mates use K3, and me pops is going efi on his V8 xr4i, already got K3, just got to make his loom, after we finish cutting out 27 years of rust!!
tabetha

Spiky

iTrader: (1)

i have DTA S40, you dont really need S60 unless you want water proof ecu/datalogging and coil on plug

i didn't so saved 200 and got the S40

and also my mapper liked it

Rs1

iTrader: (1)

Pretty sure Mark at M.A.Developments has an ecu that he likes in the similar price range as the first 3 listed. As your down south and failry close to MAD(alot closer than me anyway) i'd also consider that as an option.

Garage19

I think you need to do a bit more homework.

Raj_FRST

I have done a bit of research into megasquirt speaking to a bunch of chaps called M-Tech, they are very helpful and extremely well priced, a ecu is 400 plus 75 for the loom. You get free support with it and most mappers can use it. The only draw backs I have managed to locate is the speed of the ecu, aparantly you can reach the limit of the ecu's capabilitied before optimum performance is reached in the engine. This was told to me by a mapper so I dont really understand all this speed nonsence.lol But for the money it seemed like a reasonable option

Garage19

Thats exactly what that comment about MS ecu processor speed is... nonsense!

bigryrs

iTrader: (10)

Megasquirt can be bought with loom for 300 quid

Raj_FRST

i thought so, even if it is slower, if the average driver (like myself) isnt going to notice when driving then it is irrelevent. Just looking on the mtech site now, 360 for the v3 ecu fully built, bargain!

dont mean to hijack the thread but (doug) did you map your own car? im sure I read a thread some time ago with someone referencing to you having a bit of experience with the MS system?

Garage19

Yes, I've mapped quite a few cars on ms. It is cheap, reliable and you can achieve good results with it.

Raj_FRST

would you rate it against gotech?

zvhrst

MS is a good budget system, but lacks good resoloution

12 x 12 mapping isnt also?? its ok for low reving engine, like a CVH imo but for the money and by the time your done its not as cheap as you imagine and could of gone for a "better" ecu

Rick

The Resoulution on MS1 isn't brilliant, it isn't brilliant on Gotech either. MS2extra is in another league. Very high resolution, i ran it on a totally std 1600CVH on cossie greys, and could pick anyidle afr i wanted upto around 16:1 smoothly. The closed loop idle control is also superb, giving a rock steady constant idle, with provisions such as additional idle speed for hot running conditions etc. Closed loop fuelling is also very solid. Acceleration enrichment is the best i've seen on any ECU (not tried autronic or T6 - i'm sure they are excellent). There around 6 or 7 maps for full transient modeling, so the mapper needs to be good and it takes time. In most cases though TPS or blended MAP and TPS accel enrichment is good enough and is quick to map.

Pectel T2 would also get my vote.

Rick.

jamieRST

sorry to sound finicky guys,i wouldnt get megasquirt as ive looked on the website,and in my opinion it looks cheap an nasty,so i wouldnt buy it,it might me amazing but its just down to my preference of what i want on my car,and i just wouldnt fit megasquirt to it,dont wanna cause any arguing

Adam R4

S40!

Raj_FRST

I thought exactly th same thing, check out http://www.mtechautomotive.co.uk/engine-management/ I gave them a ring and they are by no means unprofessional. They only supply freshly/brand new built up ecu's which are done by themselves which are also warrantied. Bare in mind some ecu's are manufactured abroad in conditions no knows about. They have full mapping facilities with the use of a barnd new turbo dynamics rr. Before you rule them out give them a ring to sound them out. You may be impressed, or you may not but at least you would a good idea of exactly what you are dealing with, im still to make my mind up but I think its either omex 600 if I can afford it only for the reason a friend of mine runs a company called corten miller who specialise in omex, or megasquirt simply for the price and additional functions such as launch control and boost control. boost cotnrollers cost over 150 for a decent one these days :-(

Sorry for going on.lol

jamieRST

why do you say that? and why did u quote about cossie management?fiesta efi,megasquirt?

raj
the whole unit looks cheap and so does the loom thats why i wouludnt put it on my car m8.
im still indecided and like the sound of the emerald k3,with the 3 maps,adjusted by a switch of a knob,from the car.nice and easy,just what i like.

Garage19

Because you made a statement that the ecu has to be be able to tune fuel and ignition.

Can you clarify. Do you want an ecu that you can calibrate fuel and ignition values on or are you saying you want an ecu that will tune these parimeters for you?

jamieRST

an ecu that can adjust the parameters,or one that will tune it for you? i dont get u mate,didnt think there was an ecu that would tune itself apart from the fiesta rs turbo unit,adjusts the fuel itself for how much throttle.

Garage19

You said...

"the ecu has to be able to tune ignition and fueling,this is why i am not getting the cheaper varients."

With all the ecus you have mentioned you can tune the ignition and fuelling but it seems you are implying that you cannot on the "cheaper ones"????

There are infact ecus that have certain self learning strategies but they are limited and still need alot of input fro the mapper.

You said

"didnt think there was an ecu that would tune itself apart from the fiesta rs turbo unit,adjusts the fuel itself for how much throttle."

Not sure why you think only a fiesta ecu would adjust fuelling based on throttle input? Pretty much all ecus can do this.

Hence my comment. Before you spend your hard earned you need to do some more homework so that you can make an educated choice with out being led by other people that might not know what they are talking about or just want to sell you thier product.