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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 03:59 PM
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quiet suprised to see Al Jazeera news linked here too
no suprise at all, the french are in bed with the arabs, they love them. Thats what makes it more unlikely that it was anything suspicious from the camel jockeys. It wont be lightning, christ they ironed that problem out decades ago, the things a flying farraday cage, the lightining strikes and comes out the other side without affecting anything. Its a weird one this...
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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by stevenebm
isnt there anyway of havin parachutes on planes or is it impossible to jump from one.i know id like the option of trying if i knew it were going down.
no mate. commercial airlines don't carry parachutes for many specific reason. Very few people are trained in how to use one. Believe it or not a parachute is much harder to work than you would expect

It can come between life and death when it comes to working one correctly and chances are civilians on a comercial n airline are safer using the inflatable slide (if they crash in water) or bracing themselves for impact than jumping off a moving plane thousands of feet above the ground to .

Planes mostly crash on landing and takeoff, When planes do crash in flight at full altitude it's almost always a cataclysmic failure such as an explosion which, again, makes parachutes useless. also commercial jets fly too high to parachute out of, plus the cabin's are pressurised.You would not be conscious to deploy your chute at that altitude regardless of the chance for the wind-shear to damage you on disembarkation,
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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis
no mate. commercial airlines don't carry parachutes for many specific reason. Very few people are trained in how to use one. Believe it or not a parachute is much harder to work than you would expect

It can come between life and death when it comes to working one correctly and chances are civilians on a comercial n airline are safer using the inflatable slide (if they crash in water) or bracing themselves for impact than jumping off a moving plane thousands of feet above the ground to .

Planes mostly crash on landing and takeoff, When planes do crash in flight at full altitude it's almost always a cataclysmic failure such as an explosion which, again, makes parachutes useless. also commercial jets fly too high to parachute out of, plus the cabin's are pressurised.You would not be conscious to deploy your chute at that altitude regardless of the chance for the wind-shear to damage you on disembarkation,

well thats me fucked then.i know what my hand luggage was going to be when i go to new york this year
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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 04:41 PM
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air bus .... fly by wire ... a few years ago ,,, if you remember one did some funny things and crashed .. i think the computers would not let the pilot take control ... WHATEVER HAPPENED TO IT ........ SO TRAGIC .......

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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 04:49 PM
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hope they find the flight recorders .........

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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 04:54 PM
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even if the computers, please note I said computers this is aviation they are so anal it will not be a single 386 running dos. There will back computers of backup computers.

So even if all the computers fucked them self you would have got a may day may day saying lost control.

It must have happened in seconds. if you got a massive strike and it ripped a wing off then fine.

but somthing does not make sense.
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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by stevenebm
im going on a plane this year for the first time in ten years.this isnt doing my nerves any good.bloody tradgedy for those familys.
Still safer than getting in a car, so dont worry about it. Most people who fear flying etc are more afraid of the fact they are not in control.

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At the surface of the water or on land you are under 1 bar of atmospheric pressure, for every 10m you descend under water this pressure increases by 1 bar.

Therefore at a depth of 4000m the pressure would be 401 bar or 5817 psi.
i wonder how pancaked the blackbox will be!!!
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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 09:05 PM
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[quote=warrenpenalver;4187196] Most people who fear flying etc are more afraid of the fact they are not in control.

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Agreed mate!
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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by stevenebm
isnt there anyway of havin parachutes on planes or is it impossible to jump from one.i know id like the option of trying if i knew it were going down.
you'd be sucked strait in the jet engine if you jumped out of the normal doors.

i think the roof should blow off like in a fighter jet then all the seats should eject and deploy paracutes individually.
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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich_bloor
i think the roof should blow off like in a fighter jet then all the seats should eject and deploy paracutes individually.
Nice! Floating back down as fish food after being frozen and suffocated to death? The temperature and oxygen levels at those altitudes are extremely low. They'd all be dead within seconds.
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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyB
even if the computers, please note I said computers this is aviation they are so anal it will not be a single 386 running dos. There will back computers of backup computers.

So even if all the computers fucked them self you would have got a may day may day saying lost control.

It must have happened in seconds. if you got a massive strike and it ripped a wing off then fine.

but somthing does not make sense.
Conspiracy theorist!
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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich_bloor
you'd be sucked strait in the jet engine if you jumped out of the normal doors.
not if you jumped out the back doors

The logistics of getting upto 568 people "crash course" trained in parachutes at the start of each flight is a big task.

Not to mention the logistics of getting 568 people shitting themselves into parachutes correctly, lined up in an orderly fashion at rear doors in a depressurised plane cabin and actually jumping out Imagine just how long this would take!!!!!!

Not to forget the fact that the vast majority of crashes occur during the landing and takeoff phase of flight. It is rare for planes to crash suddenly in the cruise portion of flight.

The ejector seat idea might be possible to install on a ripple firing basis similar to some military bombers, and the altitude oxygen issues is simple, dont eject till low enough to survive. The big problem with the ejection idea is again the training side of things, not to mention that ejection seats are very very heavy pieces of kit and to fit say a 747 that on average holds 400 people with such seats would mean it would never be able to take off, let alone designing in the necessary structural weakpoints and explosive charges to blast off the roof, yet adding additional strengthening to ensure you dont get fatigue failures around the jetison roof!!!!
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Old Jun 2, 2009 | 10:13 PM
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very strange
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Old Jun 3, 2009 | 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by warrenpenalver

The ejector seat idea might be possible to install on a ripple firing basis similar to some military bombers, and the altitude oxygen issues is simple, dont eject till low enough to survive. The big problem with the ejection idea is again the training side of things, not to mention that ejection seats are very very heavy pieces of kit and to fit say a 747 that on average holds 400 people with such seats would mean it would never be able to take off, let alone designing in the necessary structural weakpoints and explosive charges to blast off the roof, yet adding additional strengthening to ensure you dont get fatigue failures around the jetison roof!!!!
Last transatlantic flight I was on had the First Class upstairs. I dont fancy being ejected at warp speed into the first class area. I'd rather take my chances with the crash and burn I think
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