jamieRST

Hi Guys,

I have a S2 escort rs turbo and i was wondering if you could make it 4WD as ive seen a few RWD ones.

If its possible what parts would i need to do this,an help,comments appreciated.

regards
Jamie RST

Daveysaff

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Its possible to go 4x4 with any car given the right amount of skill, knowledge and patience!
A few ways would be....
Sierra floorpan and YB it
4x4 Mondeo/RS2K running gear (made of chocolate)
Mitsi EVO running gear

Loads of ways of doing it, speak to someone like DannyB@Adrenanline or Andrewg or Jano @Oddkidd does floor conversions too irrc

rickbartlett

there was a white fiesta rs turbo that used a rare 4x4 mondeo running gear on it,but heard its not that strong.i would think rs 2000 4x4 running gear could be made to fit mark 4 escort.ring jamsport,they do alot of fabrication

Lambchop

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the rwd ones you saw were most likely cossie engined...

jamieRST

thanks for your comments guys, yes the rwd ones i saw were cossie powered ( and a bit all over the shop lol).

i would prefer to keep the cvh instead of going cossie powered if possible.

cheeRS

alanfordtw-15

assuming that you wont be going the crap mondeo 4x4 setup, all the other methods are a fairly massive undertaking and the result would probably nessitate the need of an engine more capable than the cvh

jamieRST

i am in no doubt that it will be a huge job,i have faith in the cvh engine,quite a few of them have beaten focus rs etc and it can be a very good engine.

-beefy-

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eaisly done fella ,

4x4 floor pan like mine has in it , use 4x4 cossie running gear , first thing that springs to mind would be major sump mods , after the nessacary chassis mods


but when i got mine it had a zetec motor fitted to a 4x4 cos box ,

cvh aint that much different ,

beef

jamieRST

nice one beefy,thanks. so what sump mods would i need to do,and chassis mods?roll cage i presume.would also like to use a st170 box or getrag 6 seed box.

can anyone give me a rough list of things id need so i can find out how hard its gonna be to source all of it lol.

cheers people

-beefy-

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you would need the floor pan fitting , not nessacairly a rollcage , depends what you plan to use the car for ,

couldnt use either of them gear boxes mate as there for fwd application ,


as for the sump , the 4x4 cosworth system uses a sealed transfer shaft that runs through the sump , to power the passenger wheel ,

you would need this fabricating to accept a cvh sump mate ,

if youve lots of questions mate ring me on 07787354837 , ill talk you thorugh it ,

beef

-beefy-

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let me just say though mate , this aint going to be a cheap project , these things never are ,

if i told you how much i was in to mine so far , ud shit bricks ,


to do this properly depending on shell costs your looking at anywhere between 5-8k on a budget id say to build the full car , thats if your sticking with a cvh ,and depending on power output ect ,

beef

Porkie

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Just going to cost you lots of time and money... and the end result probably won't be that good and you certainly won't get any decent money when it comes to sell it.

Scooby, Evo or Escos or Saph 4x4 if you must have 4wd.

or Focus RS.. etc etc

save yourself the heart ache and pain and expense of a project.... thats going to be a bit crap at the end anyway

sorry!

jamieRST

Thanks for the info beefy,and the offer of being able to phone you with any question,thanks m8, uve shown me there are a few nice ppl on pf and there not all dickheads lol
i understand it aint gonna be cheap,what projects are lol,i have in my mind the spec i want of my engine,thought a 4wd rst wud be pretty mad.do u think it would be worth it or as porky says a lil bit crap,and to u porkie after spendin a fortune id never sell it anyway,id keep it till it dies

cheeRS

jamie

blacky.

come on dont be so negative

-beefy-

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its up to you mate , end of the day you could go out and buy a 4x4 saff , evo scooby , and just be like every fucker else who owns one .me i decided to do it because i fell in lucky with my shell ,and well ive always wanted the car im now building , and i like to be different


i think its wrong for you to diss porkie in this instance or call anyone a dickhead , porkies had many projects and knows the expenses and pitfalls of building cars more than most and i totally agree with what he said , the idea of all that fab work to run the car with a 1.6 cvh wouldnt appeal to me and prob wouldnt appeal to 99 % or people


+ it dont get you anywhere slagging people off when they give you there input when your a newbie , people will tend not to give you advice . be nice fella

if your going to undertake this project , weigh up your finances , try and set a budget ( that will prob double ) and work through it ,


if your going to do it , put a cossie lump in there or a 2ltr zetec turbo or even a bloody rover v8 , any of them over a cvh ,


like i said jamie , my mobiles always on if you wanna bell me for info ect ,


but this wont be quick and wont be cheap ,

and in 6th months from now u may just ask yourself why didnt you just invest the cash into a clean rst and enjoy it ?????


hope this helps .



beef

jamieRST

Hi Guys,

Just to set the record straight,i wasnt dissing porkie,just saying id never sell it anyway no matter how much id spent on it,as we all know well never get it back.
Beefy to be fair there are a lot of dickheads on here that claim to know it all,when they clearly don't. I do not mean to insinuate that im a know all when im not,i asked for advice and comments as i always do,and have been slated on here before for some of the ideas for my car as it doesnt fit in with what everyones idea of a fast rst is.

i already own a 88 spec Erst,its chipped,k+n,31 actuator,bailey dump valve.2.5"exhaust system.

i have a full list ov what i want to do to the car as it is now and that runs to about 25k without labour,im not arsed about it being off the road for ages,as its garaged anyway,and i have a hole in the the boot which needs attention,wanna take all the bodykit n bumpers off to make sure its ok,treat any rust and have a full respray.the way i see it im going to go all the way with it anyway,so why not go that lil bit extra and have something that bit morre special.

whats everyones problem with the cvh engine?? theres 1.6cvh engines that can outperform focus rs engines and do very quick times,my cars about punch not overall power give me a 200bhp escort with 265ib/ft torque with a small turbo etc anyday over a rst with a massive t3 and loadsa lagand a big fat wheelspin when the turbo kicks in.

its gonna be a headache,it already has been since i owned it,but all i can say is,i hope it shoould be worth it in the end.

lets not have handbags over this-its just a concept of what i could do to my car

Twellsie

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i'm interested as to know why so many people are adverse to using a CVH turbo, when people like Tim, Oli and Christian have all had VERY good results with them

but just to throw another engine into the mix, how about the VAG 1.8T engine with audi S3 running gear, I realise its not a ford, but the engines are relitively cheap and tunable and with the engine in the correct orientation, would be more simple to install

lloydmotorsport

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i dont see any reason why you cant use the mondeo 4x4 running gear,this is the same unit that is used in the jaguar,so providing you keep below 300bhp,in a much lighter car,it should be ok. i dont think the mondeo 4x4 system has been tested at high bhp/torque figures.

Porkie

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Stunning little engines. Did a trackday last week with martoon in his Audi powered MG.... it was easily the car of the day. People couldn't get over how fats it was and were all over it in the pits....

read here.

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/23...y_15_may.html#


Thanks for seeing what I was trying to say Beefy.

Porkie

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LOVE both these cars.... said so a million times on here.

Both properly built though by the OWNER as I understand. Did the work himself and clearly knows his stuff... thats the ONLY way to do these cars unless you have lots of money sadly....

unlike mr RST.... the questions he is asking tell you all you need to know!

I was trying to help mate you by giving advice.

P.S... I can pretty much bet you wont ever sell the car as well....

Think we ALL know whats going to happen to this project car

Sorry if that was rude. but I was genuinely trying to help you at first...

jamieRST

I dont know what your problem is porkie,the 1st thing you said about what i had asked was that it will be shit,how do you know have u ever drove a 4wd erst??have u?no didnt think so.you are basically calling me an idiot,and havent got a clue what youre trying to says gonna happen to my car,but at least i own a ford and havent got a pic of a 911 turbo on my sig on a ford site u fuckin plank!

fiend

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Porkie use to own a 3-door that you would cream your pants over.

jamieRST

Porkie use to own

being the main one to look at...

Porkie

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Was trying to help you...

you are clearly in your late teens or early twentys... got your first 'nice' car and are over the moon with it...

found its actually rusty and want to do it up... you are coming up with a load of pie in the sky crap and clearly haven't got the first clue about what a project really entails...

I GENUINELY was trying to help you. When I was 19 and had a Corsa Gsi I loved it and spent loads on it and thought I would never sell that... Guess what??? I grew up.. my tastes changed.

Don't take your car off the road and try and do a massive project and waste your time and money.

and don't try and reinvent the wheel unless you are someone clever like Beefy and have the time and skills to do it yourself. Trust me... you DON'T. its obvious from your questions.

Enjoy the Escort for what it is now. rather than lock it in a garage and arse about for years and end up with something that WILL BE CRAP. and unreliable... and worthless.

Oh and I don't own a Ford anymore so can't have a pic in my sig.

I owned this for 9 years though... so know I bit about cars and projects. Also have alot of friends on here and have been here since day 1.

so jog on...

jamieRST

WOW porkie are u a clairvoyant as u seem to think you know everything about me.

actually ive had a few nice cars,the first a 90spec xr3i efi with a rs turbo bodykit,superchip and exhaust.then i had a mk2 golf gti that was cammed,exhaust etc.
and a jetta gti 16v with 150bhp

and id say any of the above are better than a corsa gsi.

i only asked advice on if it could be possible,youre the only one that had to put a downer on it.

no im not a mechanic,i didnt say i was and never dreamed that i could do it on my own,but i have a couple of mechanic friends.

nice 3 door,shame u couldnt fit the seats straight