Ian M

i have just read on another thread about what happened to ian@raceteks engine and i cant quite believe what i read.
he pays a tuner a fortune to build and map an engine for him and it goes bang on the test drive
then he has to pay towards rebuilding it again when it wasnt his fault.
and if that isnt bad enough it goes bang again and the tuner wont put it right without him paying again.

questions
1 how is he still in business?
2 why entrust the building of a high spec engine to someone with no track record of such work when there is no shortage of reputable companies such as msd, karl, mad, reyland harvey etc ?
3 why even pay for the initial work after it went wrong on the test drive surely that should have been a clue he wasnt up to the job?

what are peoples thoughts on this situation, would you have been happy with the results.

Stavros

1- no idea

2- He had a big rep in motorsport before he started up engine advantages mate, just never did road cars, hes been in the top level of world class motorsport for years.

3- blew a head gasket on test drive, "could" of just been bad luck, was fixed, couldnt predict the future, and didnt know the dertails of the rest of the "work". And Ians far too nice to people sometimes too!

Rs Gus

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old rodders

Ian M

i work on military fast jets everyday but it doesnt make me a pilot

TIFF

I did here about this a while back

1900cvh

Stavros

no, you dont get me, he wasnt jus some monkey, was a top mapper etc of LeMans, GT, TouringCars, etc all over the world for, umm, that company i forget the same of (not mountune, tho he started there years ago).

From what i can see that he did, he just SERIOUSLY rushed the car, the way he mounted the wastegate was a joke (hence the unlimited boost), and hence NO WAY was it live mapped properly, so the RR readout i reckon is utter tripe, and it also explains why it blew sky high, twice.

But without seing the engine map, and looking at the engine internals, itd all be pure speculation on why it blew, im sure Harvey Gibbs knows now.

What i can be 100% of is that the external wastegate mounting was a joke and explains why the boost couldnt be regulated at all

Ian M

then if thats the case surely ian has grounds to sue.

abdr500

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i have had my engine set up by paul hills and its on greens runnig 360 bhp on 1.5 bar and thats runing greens to ther limmit but still its held togather does any 1 have pichers of the wastgate that he has done lets se how no good it is as i was going to get my 1 done from him

Ian M

he mapped a car for someone i know on greys with anti lag its never run right since plus everytime he starts it he has to lift the bonnet and disconnect the idle speed control valve or it will just rev to about 3k. im,e surprised he hasnt worn the fookin bonnet hinges out by now.

Ginge !

1.5 bar , mine it 1.7 i belive

Rs Gus

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thats not big andyw is it ian

tonyk

It depends on the full details of what happened on whether he can sue or not. The law says the good/services you buy must be fit for the purpose they where intended. It does not matter if you want to run at 2 bar or 20bar boost as long as you inform the person at the time of purchase. Ie tell them this is what you want and they then spec your car to this spec, now if they just build u an engine and your turbo blows or fuel system packs in then they are not liable.

So say tuner x fits a sparkplug and correctly torques it and up and upon a high boost run the plug falls apart and destroys the engine then as long as he used the correct application of sparkplug for the required task then he could not reasonably forsee the plug would fail causing damage to the engine. He is not liable, the manufacturer of the plug could be sued.

This is just to give you an insight and there is more indepth reading knowledge required to these cases.

abdr500

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b19bal, i cant realy run any more boost as its runnig 360 allready wich is way to much boost and bhp for greens so iam happy with 1.5 bar but would like like to see what bhp i get with 1.7 bar

RobS

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im saying fook all

Ian M

might be

Ginge !

the point im makiing mate it im running and holding 25psi, thats the limit of greens, i know as my cams make em runa little lean top end ( past 6500 in 4th and 5th underload as in up hill, stu told me as i would never have the bollock to drive like that ever un my life )


im wondering how ya getting 360bhp whith that boost when im not with my boost


not a dig as im very much still learning about these type of things, i only learned where the iscv was the other day

Ian M

the very fact that you say your saying fook all means that you already have so what exactly are you saying fook all about.

markk

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abdr500

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hers my spec t34 with a 48 houseing greens 3 bar 4x4 intercooler full stain less exshust and air fillter chip 044 pump group a head gasket other wise no cams or any head work was rolling roadid at paul hills still got to put on a big cooler but it got that bhp with a 4x4 intercooler

RichardPON

Wonder how long this thread lasts without descending into total drivel.........

I've no experience of Paul's work, so wont comment, but stuff I've seen and heard has done him no favours.

Ginge !

thats alot of bhp for that spec mate


mine similer to that but i got a 500 cooler, ported head and wanky cams



think it might be alittle high ( could be wrong though )


but the main hing ya happy with it

abdr500

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could some 1 post pichers of his dodge wast gate as was thinking of one and was going to get him to do me 1 but havent had any problems with him yet

Ian M

actually iv,e just remembered didnt spadge take his 3dr there because it had surge probs to get it remapped and it came back with surge probs.

abdr500

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b19bal, i have no resone to lie hear got the print out and still could put on my intercooler and go back but its gona cost me £112 just to find out so iam happy with 360 ....mind you a m8 was runnig his at 1.6 bar and got 366 bhp with the same bits as me but had a 63 houseing on the turbo

Ginge !

think it wa cause he recomended him he dont need air to air and thats what the surge issue was


i had my old engines head fitted and cam timed up, the only issue i had was he made me book it in and he needed ot for a extra 2 months and charged me £130 extra on the quote for cleaning the block deck

but i must admit hes a nice guy

Ginge !

sorry mate ya getting me wrong, not in anyway saying ya talking crap, please dont think i was hinting that


was trying to be subtle and say the rollers are a bit off , thats all, but all rollers are tbh , and i think with a 500 cooler and could hold 25psi with your spec mate

Ginge !

oh adn 25psi is the boost for a stage 3

Ian M

i bet ian@racetek doesnt think so.

Ginge !

hey speak as ya find and all that, tbh ill never use him again but then i was never really a customer tbh, all he done was fit a head and he charged me 210 quid plus vat and i supplied the parts, but i was very happy with his work


oh this was a engine on its own, on and i also never liked the fact he never helped me get it in the boot of me car, instead i had to strugle till spadge helped me out and got it in the boot for me


hes a strong fooker spadge

abdr500

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b19bal, sorry got the wrong end off the stick my bad

Ginge !

its ok, i was interested as ya got the same spec as me almost

Disabled Account

I would'nt mess with him.........Anyway, where is Spadge????

Hav'nt seen him on here for a few days

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Stavros

on his car the wastegate was connected up to the EGR ALS pipes, your car hasnt got that, so dont worry about that.

Stavros

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SPADGE

I'm here did you miss me Doug

abdr500 that 360 @ 1.5 bar would be 330 on anyone elses rollers fella which would be the v.max you would be getting at that boost with your spec!
My car made 485.5hp on those very same rollers on 4 greys but it wasn't over 450 anywhere else

RWD_cossie_wil

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Having seen the pictures, read the spec sheets, read the itemised bills, and Having been dealing with Ian for the last 3 years, I can quite happily say he was done like a kipper The wastegate mounting was an absolute joke, anyone who knows ANYTHING about turbos and engines would have realized that it was 100% wrong, it beggers belive that someone who is supposedly so shit hot and experienced could fuck up soooo badly on such a simple task? loads of cars use external wastegates, he must have known they mount off the exhasut, not some poxy 1/2" thick EGR pipe??? And the amount he charged Ian is ridiculous as well, I will let Ian put up what he was charged but it is verging on criminal
All I can say is he should be ashamed of his service, Ian pointed EVERYONE who needed a car mapping towards engine advantages, my mate spent £600+ there getting his sapphire mapped, and that was just on greens, and at least 3 of my friends an me were going to use him to sort thier cars out, but having seen the customer service and extortionate prices we will be taking our buisness elsewhere. I am not just jumping on a bandwagon here either, I have spoken to Ian in depth about this and it is criminal what has happened to him

Mike Rainbird

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I can't comment on the running right aspect, but your mate needs to fit a relay to prevent the idle speed control valve from energising each time it is started . It is a simple fix to prevent this from happening .

Ian M

i agree mike he needs to do something with it, but the point is if you took your car for a conversion you would expect it to work properly.
could you in your wildest imagination expect any of the tuners i listed above turning anything as shoddy as this out.

B19-TRB

Having had work done by Paul myself I can say nothing bad about him whats so ever! He helped me ot lots! as did Ian from racetek who put me in contact with Paul even b4 EA was up & running! Paul knew I didnt have booodals of cash so didnt charge me the earth! when my car did melt a piston(my fault ) he did a full re-set up for fook all!

My car after had no probs what so ever & is still goin strong! The car was fookin awesome for a standard basically standard engine!