First Focus RS have arrived....
13-04-2009, 09:58 AM
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I bet it would piss all over your modded cossies (that's if they're working...lol) without even having any mods done.
I've got a mk1 FRS and it's a hell of a good car to drive, mines pushing 320BHP and the torque steer can catch you out! So if they've managed to sort this out on the new one then they're deffo on to a winner. 4x4 systems would just add to much weight and there's no way ford would go back to RWD it'd cost to much to convert all the shells.
I've got a mk1 FRS and it's a hell of a good car to drive, mines pushing 320BHP and the torque steer can catch you out! So if they've managed to sort this out on the new one then they're deffo on to a winner. 4x4 systems would just add to much weight and there's no way ford would go back to RWD it'd cost to much to convert all the shells.
13-04-2009, 10:02 AM
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13-04-2009, 10:16 AM
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What's the fascination with 4 wheel drive then? You can't possibly get near to the limits of it on the road anyway!
Maybe Ford could have done it 4 wheel drive but if it cost the other side of Ł30,000 who would buy it?
Maybe Ford could have done it 4 wheel drive but if it cost the other side of Ł30,000 who would buy it?
13-04-2009, 10:24 AM
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to remember, people said this kind of talk about the first focus RS that was built iirc.....look how much of a success that was!
ive driven a FRS and they were truly worthy of the RS badge.
yes we all want to see it 4WD and we all want to see it having RWD editions too like the sierra and escort cossie.... but then no doubt some people would start COMPARING it to the sierra and escort cossie's and its status would be undermined by "its not as good a handler as the es-cos" or "it doesnt feel planted enough under the throttle like my old 3 door was" etc.
if ford felt it didnt deserve the RS bagde, it would have been another ST or ST300 something like that.
ford have strayed away from rwd for a long time now, and although many find it to be a complete sacrilige to the RS heritage, only time will tell if this car is to be as good as the reviews have said.
no doubt in 6months to a years time someone will have took one, stripped the engine out and sold that, converted to 4wd anyways and be running a YB so its only a matter of time before we see one like that.
ive driven a FRS and they were truly worthy of the RS badge.
yes we all want to see it 4WD and we all want to see it having RWD editions too like the sierra and escort cossie.... but then no doubt some people would start COMPARING it to the sierra and escort cossie's and its status would be undermined by "its not as good a handler as the es-cos" or "it doesnt feel planted enough under the throttle like my old 3 door was" etc.
if ford felt it didnt deserve the RS bagde, it would have been another ST or ST300 something like that.
ford have strayed away from rwd for a long time now, and although many find it to be a complete sacrilige to the RS heritage, only time will tell if this car is to be as good as the reviews have said.
no doubt in 6months to a years time someone will have took one, stripped the engine out and sold that, converted to 4wd anyways and be running a YB so its only a matter of time before we see one like that.
13-04-2009, 10:29 AM
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who make RWD cars anymore apart from BMW??? I'm talking normal car prices here not silly car money. RWD is out dated, and costly as they would have to change to much from the generic shell which would probably effect the practical side of things ie. boot space, rear passenger leg room!
13-04-2009, 10:31 AM
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What advantage does rear wheel drive have over front wheel drive on the road then?
People don't want rear wheel drive just because that's what earlier Cossie's were is it?
People don't want rear wheel drive just because that's what earlier Cossie's were is it?
13-04-2009, 10:33 AM
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RWD: power through the rear wheels leaving the fronts independant to steer the car only
FWD: power AND steering through the front, so tyres having to work twice as hard as rwd ones.
thats how i see it anyways
FWD: power AND steering through the front, so tyres having to work twice as hard as rwd ones.
thats how i see it anyways
13-04-2009, 10:34 AM
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car companys dont make cars like they used to .im sure they just do every thing to budget cost .the cars now appear to have no passion from the manufacturer themselves ...how comes they made perfomance cars 20 years ago that standard are still quicker than some performance cars today ........it always seems car could be that little bit better but they just havent quite made them to how they should be
13-04-2009, 10:35 AM
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There was a white left hand drive frs at stanstead airport about 2 weeks ago my mate took a pic of it think it had german plates. Then talk of the devil a few days later i saw it myself on the m25 jct 28 towards dartford it had german plates couldnt believe how wide it looked!
13-04-2009, 10:38 AM
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tbh I quite like the look of them. The comments flying around about it being shite, are probably the same sort of comments that the mk1 and mk2 escort boys were making about the 16i and series1 turbo when they were released....gawd knows what comments people were making in the pub about the four door sierra cosworth when that got released...."four door Sierra Cossie an RS? looks more like a fooking taxi to me mate.....the RS brand died off with the mk2 RS2000 if you ask me!" is probably what was being bantered around 
13-04-2009, 10:39 AM
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Yeah, so when are you gonna notice that on the road? Hardly ever so what's the point?
13-04-2009, 10:42 AM
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so you dont notice the difference between front and rear wheel drive when driving a car?
understeer? oversteer? those not ring a bell to you when put in conjunction with this?
maybe newer cars will have all these fancy "electronic" gizmo's to help aid them to reverse this, or that most people in your area drive like old people fuck, but when you give your car some stick either on a road, or track, these characteristics come into play pretty highly in the way your car will handle under its power.
understeer? oversteer? those not ring a bell to you when put in conjunction with this?
maybe newer cars will have all these fancy "electronic" gizmo's to help aid them to reverse this, or that most people in your area drive like old people fuck, but when you give your car some stick either on a road, or track, these characteristics come into play pretty highly in the way your car will handle under its power.
13-04-2009, 10:48 AM
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13-04-2009, 10:53 AM
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so you dont notice the difference between front and rear wheel drive when driving a car?
understeer? oversteer? those not ring a bell to you when put in conjunction with this?
maybe newer cars will have all these fancy "electronic" gizmo's to help aid them to reverse this, or that most people in your area drive like old people fuck, but when you give your car some stick either on a road, or track, these characteristics come into play pretty highly in the way your car will handle under its power.
understeer? oversteer? those not ring a bell to you when put in conjunction with this?
maybe newer cars will have all these fancy "electronic" gizmo's to help aid them to reverse this, or that most people in your area drive like old people fuck, but when you give your car some stick either on a road, or track, these characteristics come into play pretty highly in the way your car will handle under its power.
Most RS's never venture onto a track either, oh except for parade laps at shows so I cannot see any advantage to make it anything other than front wheel drive
13-04-2009, 10:54 AM
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I cant wait to see the new Focus in the flesh, and definately looking forwards to my promised ride when my mate gets his in June.
I can see the peoples point with regards to the issue should it be badged an Rs.. and to an extent I agree with them. Maybe the Rs badge means to me the day when the old Mk 1/2 Escorts use to grace the rally circuits and then with the Cosworths. But for other people the Rs badge may just mean a good drivers car, which is that little bit special compared to other cars in the Ford range. I could argue that the Rs Turbo's, Rs2000 Mk 5, Focus Rs 1 (and now 2) are not true Rs's but others would disagree. I dont think those were bad cars, and they were much much better than the other ones in their range..
For me Rs means a proper rally car which was used for the homolagation rules... ( im no expert by the way when it comes to rally cars ).. but I do like the cars to have a special bit of history behind them.
I could say that the Rs badge has been used by Fords as their equivalent of a Gti badge.. but who can blame them.. if it sells cars, then thats what they are in the bisiness to do.
Rock on with the new Focus Rs.... I could buy one, but I just fancy something non ford for once as I dont know any different. So at this time its Evo 9 for me instead.
I can see the peoples point with regards to the issue should it be badged an Rs.. and to an extent I agree with them. Maybe the Rs badge means to me the day when the old Mk 1/2 Escorts use to grace the rally circuits and then with the Cosworths. But for other people the Rs badge may just mean a good drivers car, which is that little bit special compared to other cars in the Ford range. I could argue that the Rs Turbo's, Rs2000 Mk 5, Focus Rs 1 (and now 2) are not true Rs's but others would disagree. I dont think those were bad cars, and they were much much better than the other ones in their range..
For me Rs means a proper rally car which was used for the homolagation rules... ( im no expert by the way when it comes to rally cars ).. but I do like the cars to have a special bit of history behind them.
I could say that the Rs badge has been used by Fords as their equivalent of a Gti badge.. but who can blame them.. if it sells cars, then thats what they are in the bisiness to do.
Rock on with the new Focus Rs.... I could buy one, but I just fancy something non ford for once as I dont know any different. So at this time its Evo 9 for me instead.
13-04-2009, 10:56 AM
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I'm really sorry but i gotta have a rant rs's through the years have always been an reincarnation of a base model from the mk1 rs1600 to the new focus rs, the 3 door cossie is based on a 1.6L for fooks sake!!! I am diappointed the new frs is not 4wd with 350hp but if it was would we all be jumping for joy and buying one I think not cos there would then be people slating it for not being rwd, ford can't win take it for what it is, a relatively light ( for this day and age) 300hp fwd car with a trick diff and front suspension with plenty of tuning potenetial if i had 25k i would get one cos I think it is alot better than a megane sport or a civic type r at least ford are trying to build a car with a bit of passionnot like my old series 2 which was a 1.3 bodyshell with a cracking engine and a set of recaros( didn't stop me spending 21k on it though)
Please people take of the blinkers and the cossie tinted glasses and praise ford for building this when in all honesty they can't realy afford to!!
rant over happy easter
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Please people take of the blinkers and the cossie tinted glasses and praise ford for building this when in all honesty they can't realy afford to!!
rant over happy easter
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13-04-2009, 10:58 AM
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thats what i mean under normal circumstances no-one really notices as most people are either on straight road motorways or too busy avoiding speedbumps in every town these days and counting up their repair bills for hitting these and potholes.
i can see a few being driven in anger, but most being bought by middle aged business men who want to show off with their "top of the range sports hatch" to their neighbours and the local 15 year old slags at the chippy
should be an interesting car when its out, i for one cant wait to get the chance to have one in at work and get my hands on valeting one
i can see a few being driven in anger, but most being bought by middle aged business men who want to show off with their "top of the range sports hatch" to their neighbours and the local 15 year old slags at the chippy
should be an interesting car when its out, i for one cant wait to get the chance to have one in at work and get my hands on valeting one
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with the hype of the FOCUS RS, do you think that any other models of RS branding could come out of it?
maybe instead of just the focus, will they have the power to grace us with the RS fiesta? or maybe even push it and say that theyre could be a limited mondeo or Ka RS???
Highly doubt it happening, however it would be nice to see the RS brand come back in bigger force, the purists will always love the older gear, i for one am the same...but just having the RS brand survive on one model is like its on life support, and a slowly ticking timebomb to the end of the RS heritage is starting to happen in my opinion, we need more RS models out there, but wether ford see fit to continue it will be another question that will have to be answered.
maybe instead of just the focus, will they have the power to grace us with the RS fiesta? or maybe even push it and say that theyre could be a limited mondeo or Ka RS???
Highly doubt it happening, however it would be nice to see the RS brand come back in bigger force, the purists will always love the older gear, i for one am the same...but just having the RS brand survive on one model is like its on life support, and a slowly ticking timebomb to the end of the RS heritage is starting to happen in my opinion, we need more RS models out there, but wether ford see fit to continue it will be another question that will have to be answered.
13-04-2009, 11:13 AM
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my escort XR3i for FWD case, understeers like a bat out of hell in the wet, loves to spin its wheels when im barely touching the throttle going from a standstill up a slight hill and round corners its not what i'd call "shifty".
my capri on the other hand, pulls away cleanly, again spun wheels in the wet now and again but on corners in the wet was sometimes a cunt to control, but handled like a dream in the wet...
i prefer RWD over fwd but at the moment FWD XR3i is all i can have on the ford list until money's saved enough for a 2.8 special or mk2 escort.
my capri on the other hand, pulls away cleanly, again spun wheels in the wet now and again but on corners in the wet was sometimes a cunt to control, but handled like a dream in the wet...
i prefer RWD over fwd but at the moment FWD XR3i is all i can have on the ford list until money's saved enough for a 2.8 special or mk2 escort.
13-04-2009, 11:35 AM
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my escort XR3i for FWD case, understeers like a bat out of hell in the wet, loves to spin its wheels when im barely touching the throttle going from a standstill up a slight hill and round corners its not what i'd call "shifty".
my capri on the other hand, pulls away cleanly, again spun wheels in the wet now and again but on corners in the wet was sometimes a cunt to control, but handled like a dream in the wet...
i prefer RWD over fwd but at the moment FWD XR3i is all i can have on the ford list until money's saved enough for a 2.8 special or mk2 escort.
my capri on the other hand, pulls away cleanly, again spun wheels in the wet now and again but on corners in the wet was sometimes a cunt to control, but handled like a dream in the wet...
i prefer RWD over fwd but at the moment FWD XR3i is all i can have on the ford list until money's saved enough for a 2.8 special or mk2 escort.
Funny how a lot of experts on here seem to know how shit it is before you've even driven it
And people that write about them in magazines etc that testdrive different cars for a living seems to think its good.I have to agree it is a shame its not 4wd, but shouldnt we be happy that they acutally made something better than a 2 litre Zetec with 140bhp?
13-04-2009, 11:56 AM
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