Lee Reynolds

Ive told you above mate /\, it goes on minimum of 12mm ply fixed to the sub floor!

Im not saying you CANT fit solid flooring floating or that it wont look good but imo its not the right way...solid flooring is meant to be fixed firmly in place!

Rhys

Skirting is not on yet anyway Will go to Wickes and BBQ plus a few other local distributors and have a look at all the different types. So would Engineered wood be happy medium between Laminate and Solid?

Arggh i cant make my mind up. How long do you think it would take to lay a floor like that and do proper job over my area?:

Lee Reynolds

If your floating a solid oak floor down the jobs not getting done properly so thats statements insane!

If your a time served joiner you should know, ifyouve never seen it done, work for better firms lol

155lee

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i have oak all through my hall,living room and lounge,i absolutely love it.it might get dented by high heels,mine hasnt yet even though my wife comes in with them on,the dogs run around on it and theres no damege,theres 1 line at the door where i put a set of keys through the letterbox then opened the door later.with real wood you can sand it loads of times.it doesnt creak either.i have seen a few done that buckle up and move,usually this is caused by not letting the wood aclimatise to the house before laying,we left ours in a room for 2 weeks.its sealed with wax and everything wipes off of it.it is a floor for life where with laminate you will eventually wear through the wood grain effect topcoat where you regularly walk.our wood was 28 a square meter to buy and about 25 a square meter to lay if i remember correctly,that was the cheapest i could get it done for,we were about 2800 all in,the guy that laid it did rip us off as he got through it a hell of a lot quicker than he thought,but a price is a price.

fuzzy

2800? 25 square metres is a bit more than an average living room. thats a days work .

mrjenrst

Well in that case i'm going to the supplyer's tomorow to tell them to tell the people who machine and grade the wood and who spend millions every year on development of laquers and expansion jointing and then distribute throughout the world that the guidelines they give are wrong, as they are wrong does that mean the LIFETIME structural guarantee that comes with the wood would only be honoured if it was fitted the wrong was as stated in there guidelines for fitting.
Thanks for that mate i'll go first thing in the morning

Rhys

Going of measurements i put up, how long would you expect to fit that? Charge etc? Only real odd bit is around bottom of stairs as bottom step comes out and goes around etc.

Chris Honeywell

Well i fit carpets vinyl laminate and solid wood floors and i do the same .
Under 25sqm and if its 22mm thick always do the loose lay thing

Lee Reynolds

All thats bollox mate! All that shit is just modern development and shit to cover the DIY'er etc! All about getting the job done quicker like all the rest of the shite that goes off in the building trade!

Im talking about fitting natural, solid oak flooring down in a proper traditional proven method! I wouldnt walk away from a job happy if id only floated it over some underlay on top of a concrete floor!

Chris Honeywell

lol

I got some paperwork for a wood floor that i am fitting on Monday which is 22mm thick think i had better throw it all away and do it Passionford style

155lee

iTrader: (10)

its a fair sized living room,dining room and a l shaped hallway,it took about 20 hours,i cant remember exactly how many square meters but thats what the wood and overall cost was.i got it from russwood up in inverness.theres a knothole in our living room which i would have made them change but i never noticed till they were gone,the wifes nephew seen it and asked why we had holes in our carpet!

fuzzy

the shape of the step doesnt matter. the jigsaw will see to that. i cant see how that couldnt be done in a day or maybe a day and a couple of hours if skirtings are also going back down. if its going half under any doors they will need to be removed and cut so more time there. for me to do that id be charging 300ish depending on details .

Chris Honeywell

M8 you can't say its bollox if as i do i supply the stuff i HAVE to follow the fitting guides etc or any problems it becomes my problem as they supplier says sorry pal you fitted it wrong..

nick craddock

with the hardwood floors there only 4 inches wide by ramdon lengths so you need to cover the floor with ply to get a decent fixing in it, you could'nt use the 2x2 batterns besause they would be every where.

Rhys

K Fuzzy ta for est

Chris who do you work for, type wood floorings supply etc?

mrjenrst

What, as opposed to fitting the unnatural solid oak?

Floating floors IS proven!

So you'd fit a 22mm solid on a 12mm base in a hall way under 7sm?
Your raising the floor level by atleast 34mm going into maybe 3/4/5 or more rooms that dont have it running through, so every doorbar would have to be machined for the height and the drop would be fucking stupid,
And you'd walk away from that job happy?

rst in breaking

iTrader: (2)

can be levelled up using battons on concrete and fixed to them but could cause problems elsewhere with levels (i.e hall and not other rooms)

Lee Ivatt

iTrader: (1)

As long as your mre dont wear her high heals all over it, like mine did

This is the job ive been doing the last 3 weeks. Basically a double (lenght wise) garage conversion into master bed and ensuite with bay window and french doors

Hope to finish off tommrow








They chose a light oak laminate, which i must admit looks ok as We have made up real oak arcitrave and skirting.

Dont know what skirting your using, you say b&q which scares me a little

You be much better going to somewhere like travis perkins, get better service, material and price.

We make our oak on planers and router machines but travis now sell this stuff buy the meter in oak, and its really not that expensive.

Just need to fix with screws and pelets and then laquer it and job done

You have to agree it really sets off the floor.

Lee Reynolds

Theres never any fiting guidlines on any proper oak solid T&G flooring we fit! And i KNOW that i wont have to go back to the job when ive fitted it the way ive described anyway as its done right, so i wouldnt need the manufacturers warranty anyways! Only need warranties for things that break down...appliances etc! Not for Wood!

TBH, i wouldnt expect a floor layer to fix it as ive described i wouldnt even expect them to fix it properly over a wooden subfloor! Id expect them to float it over that too as they are floor layers not joiners!
I wouldnt expect a joiner to float one in the same respect!

Lee Ivatt

iTrader: (1)

Latex im telling you!!

rst in breaking

iTrader: (2)

looks nice mate

mrjenrst

rst in breaking

iTrader: (2)

i know mate, i meant for fixing it, as said could ply but battening and leveling instead if far out

Lee Reynolds

Anyone having solid oak flooring fitted will usually have good carpets and good underlay in the other rooms, the step is fook all. a slight raise at the doorplate....nothing too different to a tiled surface.

No as opposed to fitting engineered oak flooring ,no need to get clever

Lee Ivatt

iTrader: (1)

Its ok, i tried to convince them to let us make them real oak doors, have white gloss arcitrave and a nice think carpet.

Cant get my head around laminate in a bedoom, buy hey ho customer is always right.

Lee Reynolds

LEE that looks nice mate, laminate does at first look ok but imo not after a couple of years!

Lee Ivatt

iTrader: (1)

Thanks, not bad from a dingy old shell 3 weeks back.

Will take a picky of the ensuite tommrow. Spent over £1k on having marble made you for the bespoke units and window reveals.

Now you know why the 16i aint had much progress the last 3 weeks

Lee Reynolds

LOL ive got my own construction company which carries out work to the highest of standards, but i think i had better start doing the carpentery side of it with the advice off floor layers

How childish

Lee Reynolds

LOL am the same mate mine still aint done, im on with finishing my extension as well as the garden total landscape and running a business! I need a holiday...

Look forward to seeing the marble

Rhys

What can of Worms Im of to local builder merchant tomorrow as i did choose the Wood flooring but havign few issues getting it. Was solid teaked oak, There is few flooring places by that palce so will have butchers about, just not sure i can afford atm as pain in the arse. I still gotta buy all furniture and rest of building wk has gone OBver budget lol.

Lee Reynolds

LOL yeah sorry Rhys Trouble with the internet mate, your bound to get a clash of views!

It's Czech Mate

Right my understanding was engineered was better for hallway as it didnt react so much to heat, and provided the top layer was nice and thick it's as durable as solid wood.

How is best to lay it on a concrete floor?

Chris Honeywell

LOL m8 wood flooring is 80% of my work and i work with a joiners as 80% OF THE WORK IS WOOD RELATED
We do stick quite a bit down but it all depends on the job-house and the situation.
Most if not all of my work is in BATH so its not cheap jobs,
and as i sub-contract to shops i HAVE to follow the fitting advice of the manufactures..

Maybe the manufactures should ask construction company wanna be fat cats to tell them how to fit their products

Anyway i'm off in a min to do a job the wrong way seems i ain't done it right for the last 20 years

D700 OMB

iTrader: (1)

Laminate is balls end of. Its only a pic of wood with a cheap thin laminate over the top.Good for a year or two tops.
Real wood is much better for wear and tear and can easily be sanded down. Tho its a Joiners job to fit but looks great when done.

Best bet is AMTICO or KARNDEAN, for life span, looks and ease of fitting.
Once down will never move,shrink ,warp crack or any of that stuff. Easy to live with being vinyl , mop it a few times a week and will still be looking great 10+ years on.

Karndean £30 Sq mtr upwards and £15ish per Sq mtr fitting. Excluding 6-8 mm marine Ply subfloor which varies greatly in £. Tho, you have concrete so 1 to 2 bags of latex self leveling screed £20 eash inc the Milk to mix it with.
FAR FAR Better than anything else available imo.

Phil

iTrader: (1)

When we bought our house it came with laminate in the bedrooms. I actually quite like it now as it doesnt get cold but also doesnt hold dust like carpet.

foreigneRS

my house in germany was laminated in the bedrooms as well and i liked it for the same reasons as you and the lack of dust is good for the missus who has asthma. it does feel a little colder to the touch than real wood though, so i don't know which we'll go for in the bedroom here when we redecorate soon

Lee Reynolds

Nothing wannabe about my company pal. Just quality craftsmanship from a highly skilled team. Come see for yourself if you like....

20 year experience fitting floor coverings .... nice one...still no joiner though.

Lee Reynolds

Nah its a carpet fitters job Cos it goes on the floor!

Rhys

Might end up going Laminate only down to price issues. If i was only decorating the one room i would do it with proper wood. but i need to budget for rest of house and dont think i can justify it Bit gutted, just its 3 times price of Laminate really.

GARETH T

have you seen the beveled edged vinyl wood effect floor tiles? really good wearing and dont feel cold on the feet!