Graham S1

http://www.brawngp.com/

Honda has become an independent team, with a Merc engine. Gone from having the least powerful engine on the grid, to the most powerful. Button and Barichello are driving for them. Car looks good, but not sure about the highlighter pen paint job.

Only 3 weeks to go!!!





Thas some sexy sidepods on that car. Almost like upside down ramjet scoops.

GTi-R23

Can't wait! Even the BBC have started showing tiny sneaky trailers for their coverage!

Rich_w

Obviously by "most" you mean "3rd" behind BMW and Ferrari

Nath

Best of luck to them

Graham S1

Please post your source. I said engine, not CAR.

Here's a few seconds of it at Silverstone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yFAM...eature=channel

Rich_w

I'm well aware of what you wrote. Unlike certain individuals I can read a page of text and see the facts. Not see the "invisible only to people who post YouTube videos about controlled demolitions "information"

Historically its been BMW, Ferrari, Honda. Those are the guys that if you wanted a engine built you'd talk to.

Mercedes, Renault are both good. But not as good. Renault especially as they didn't use the rules enough last year to upgrade. The Honda engine last year was a good one. Just it was in a cack chassis driven by possibly the most overrated driver of his generation and a man clearly on the downslope of his career.

I'll try and find a link.

st3v3

the three that were going to buy Honda was Brawn, Fry ans Shumacker(sp)

Does anyone one know if Shumacker in with a part buy?

With thier knowledge im sure the team will go from strength to strength.

Rich_w

Brawn bought the team himself. Technically Fry who hired him originally now answers to him

Michael has been at the tests for Ferrari. As he's still got a year to go on his contract, he may move over in the winter.

Graham S1

And that can only be a good thing.

Graham S1

oh, and while your at it, kindly fuck off with referring to my interest in 9/11 in every post. I don't post shit on any of your threads, don't see why you should on mine. I didn't even post on the last 9/11 related thread. tit.

natehall

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great news! 22 cars on the grid at the first race!

Looking forward to melbourne

natehall

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great news! 22 cars on the grid at the first race!

Looking forward to melbourne

Rich_w

psst

20.

McLaren
Ferrari
BMW
Renault
Red Bull Racing
Toyota
Williams
BrawnGP
Force India
Torro Rosso


Graham. Get over yourself. If you consistently say retarded things on one subject. People will remember it about you.

As for posting shit on my threads. Knock yourself out. I don't care really. Although "Internets, serious business"



it's not really.

Graham S1

Nope mainly just you. And Matt (Mondeo Man). And Rhys.

And it's more like you saying the retarded things from what I saw on that previous thread.

It's Czech Mate

Great news altho i cant see them being any good till next year at the least with the lack of development

Rich - straight fight in same cars Jenson would be very near the top against the rest of the grid. He's smooth, easy on the car, fast and can drive consistent laps. Ross Brawn knows a fuckload more than either of us two and he rates him as one of the very best and always did when he was at Ferarri. Button has never performed badly in a good car over the course of a season

Rich_w

Not being funny, but at Renault he was consistently beaten by Trulli! another "Smooth but slow" driver.

Can you find me a Brawn quote about Jenson Buffoon before Ross was at Honda?

It's Czech Mate

Long time ago, under possibly the worst man manager in f1 when he was low on confidence.

And yes I can.....i'll dig it out if I can find it quickly.

Remember when the honda was half good, over the last half of the season Jenson outscored everybody including shumacher and alsonso and the shit finnish one and wasnt far off the championship. If the car had been as good as the others he'd have been right on the money.

Andy_R

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Interesting!
Were they not talking about using one manufacturer as the supplier of engines for F1 in 2010? Could the decision by a Honda team to use a Benz engine be a sign of things to come? A Benz engined grid?
Another potential loser by this decision could be Mclaren if the above is incorrect and if Honda were to beat Mclaren this season! It will be interesting to see the politics as unfold on this one!

natehall

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totalled it up in my head wrong - had the usf1 team on the grid but thats 2010

cossie4i+

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Good news the team has been saved

Looking forward to the start of the season

Steve

saff_cossie

Tickets now purchased. Should be good and included concert by The Who after the race too. The track is now largely setup, still a bit to do but the fever is coming to town!

It's Czech Mate

http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,1895...028432,00.html

Interesting....maybe not as far off the pace as feared.

Graham S1

Wasn't it going to be Cosworth supplying engines for independents next year? This is just for this year I fink.

It's Czech Mate

There was talk of a standardised engine, which could be built independantly by any team that wanted to, as Ferarri objected strongly to using an engine made by someone else due to loss of brand identity and Cosworth would supply any team who wanted to buy one with them.

It's Czech Mate

Todays final times

1. N. Heidfeld 1:20.338-96v
2. K. Raikkonen 1:20.908-81v
3. Trulli 1:20.937-121v
4. Button 1:21.140-82v
5. Piquet 1:21.662-126v
6. Bourdais 1:22.158-86v
7. Webber 1:22.246-117v
8. Sutil 1:22.452-119v
9. Nakajima 1:22.813-111v
10. Kovalainen 1:22.948-90v


Things are looking bad at McLaren, word on the street is their 09 wing isnt working well and they need to bring a new wing and diffuser to the car before Melbourne

Check out Jenson, and thats with long runs too

FasterFords

At least they now have time to look at everyone else's rear wing and put something together.

Unless they have some amazingly good rear design and want to keep it secret.

Toe Knee

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surely they wont be given the same engines as mclaren thou?! would have thought i would be last years engines or something due to their contract with mclaren and the fact they own 40% of mclaren!! As said wouldnt look good for them to give honda a winning engine this season!!

Rich_w

McLaren have virtually not run the 09 spec wing at all this off season. And last week. Lulu broke down, caught fire and then finally spun off. So he's not having much luck at the moment.

Jensons runs? He did 82 laps but that doesn't mean that time was set on light tanks and new tyres to make headlines so they can possibly get some sponsors. Something HF1 failed miserably in the past. Though maybe they will be lucky and get the Woolworths deal

Problem is do they have any of last years engines left over? I would imagine they will start Melbourne with the same engine, but then as the season goes on and parts are modified (to imporve relaibility obviously ) the BGP outfit will fall behind in. So they willl be on Spec B whilst Macca are at Spec E.

Saying that, a Ferrari engine won Monza last year so maybe they will want the decent publicity regardless of whether it's the white or Silver car that wins.

Edited to add:

Tony

Graham S1

Got that source on engine power yet Rich?

Rich_w

No

Only can find 2006 and I'm not posting that as it says Honda is 2nd with Cosworth top. I think its a bollocks list. When BMW was in the back of the Williams it was KNOWN to be the best on the grid. It says the Merc is last BTW.

1.Cosworth 2.4 V8 (Williams)
bhp: 754
Qrpm: 19.800
Rrpm: 19.100

2. Honda 2.4 V8 (Honda)
bhp: 730
Qrpm: 19.300
Rrpm: 18.500

3.Ferrari 2.4 V8 (Ferrari, RedBull)
bhp: 730
Qrpm: 19.200
Rrpm: 18.200

4.Cosworth 3.0 V10 (Scuderia Toro Rosso)
bhp: 725
Qrpm: 16.700
Rrpm: 16.700

5. Toyota 2.4 V8 (Toyota, Midland)
bhp: 720
Qrpm: 19.200
Rrpm: 18.200

6. Renault 2.4 V8 (Renault)
bhp: 720
Qrpm: 19.100
Rrpm: 18.300

7. BMW 2.4 V8 (BMW)
bhp: 715
Qrpm: 18.900
Rrpm: 18.100

8. Mercedes 2.4 V8 (McLaren)
bhp: 710
Qrpm: 18.200
Rrpm: 17.500

It's Czech Mate

Jenson was doing long runs Rich...and consistent low 1.21.s something not many could match.

Mclaren had their brand new 09 rear wing.

Its interesting as the toyota's are actually looking very promising too.

I do expect normal order to be resumed for the grid in melbourne but maybe there will be a surprise or two?

Rich_w

Yeah, and it's quite frankly the most sucky thing I've seen in ages!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/7911126.stm

Just what the fuck were they thinking when they decided to film that.

A quick youTube search shows an unofficial trailer knocked up by someone. hundred times better!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otA5sriGr_s

Toe Knee

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Pah thats oooooooooooooold news now mate

They are alot nicer to look at when u see them without the camo on and painted in pretty colours

JohnnyBgood

Agreed!
The second one is superb with the old soundtrack

RickDraper

I guess some of the problems with showing any of last seasons F1 in the intro is the fact ITV might own the rights to showing the last few seasons stuff in the UK?

It's Czech Mate

Good News. Unlucky Rich

The miracle of Barcelona explained, 10. March 2009, 10:15 Uhr

Jenson Button's debut in the new Brawn BGP001-Mercedes was still hotly debated in the paddock. Was his 1.21,140 time a serious lap time or a staged show to attract sponsors?

The answer will not please the competition. The time was real.
"If people knew how much fuel we had on board, they would be surprised," smiled team boss Ross Brawn.

"Even with our engine partner Mercedes, they did not want believe it when we told them about the contents of the tank".

It is not absurd to believe that Brawn Grand Prix will be the fastest Mercedes team in Melbourne. For Ross Brawn, the brilliant debut of his car is not surprising. "We knew from our simulations, the theoretival lap times this car could drive in Jerez, Bahrain and Barcelona. When we saw the times of the competition, we were surprised that they were not faster."

Long development time

But how can a team that last year, despite the support of the Honda, only reached the ninth-place in the constructors championship, as a private team suddenly drive at the front? There is an answer for that: No team has started with the development of the 2009 car as early as Brawn's team.

"We had the time to go through all concepts. So we have been able to make the best choices."
Only now, time is running out. Brawn GP has to do their winter testing program in seven days. The four days in Barcelona next week followed by three in Jerez.

RickDraper

Fantastic, hope they were really running a decent amount of fuel in the tanks. Its one in the eye for Honda!

It's Czech Mate

Reubens is down into the 1.20's only Kimi is faster so far today.

Rich_w

Oh dear! You really think Ross would admit that they were running on fumes to get a decent one off lap time. That'd be a great idea

ps
He wouldn't

EDITED to add.

I found out why McLaren haven't been doing so well in testing. Too busy pissing about for Vodafone Adverts! (watch till the end)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLoANg6nNY

I mean REALLY!

It's Czech Mate

He's never really lied about the Honda's pace before and has no reason to send the cars out for glory laps whilst catching up on all the missed testing time...they dont even need to attract sponsors, they have them ready to announce at Melbourne......and anyway, with another day of laps..including long stints, Barichello was third quickest again.

The only problem I can forsee is that Brawn GP reckon they already have their aeropack for melbourne......others dont yet so they may well claw some performance out of their improvements. However, ferarri are finished testing after this week and BrawnGP, STR etc have another test next week.

Looking forward to the new cars