Car Mapped & Ready To Come Home
01-03-2009, 05:32 PM
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Just noticed that you only live in clifton....if there's any problems it's only an hour up the road tops to whip it back there! Have a little drive over there and get em to sort out the idle imo.
01-03-2009, 05:44 PM
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02-03-2009, 08:15 AM
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Guys,
Garage19 has a serious grudge against us for some reason.
The inectors, by part number are 330CC.
It wasnt just Ł500 for the mapping, we had to wire it all up, sort the original wiring loom that was badly bodged by someone Phil previouly took the car to. We were under the impression it had a-31 in there, when we found out it didnt, we advised Phil and he was happy to have it mapped as such. We do have external boost control on our dyno, and such we mapped the car up to 19psi. As the ECU is working in MAP/RPM (Speed/desinsity) when he ups the boost to anywhere below 19psi, it is mapped to start with. (Garage19's extensive mapping and ECU operations knowledge shines here....)
It is worth noting that when we adivsed phuil he said he would look out for a -31 then bring the car back to us. The problem we have is geopgraphy, with him being so far away I cant easily help him out, if he were 5 miles away I would say to pop back now the bonnet is fixed and we could quickly adjust the idle for him, not a problem.
The engine was in a somewhat 'dodgy' state, but phil realiased this so we did the work required to get the vehicle to be mapped. At the point where the bonnet didnt want to open we simply coudent put more hours in without escalating phils bill beyond which was resonable. The latter of this, setting the idle, is fair enough.
Phil is happy, and we are planning on finishing the job once the car is back with the new actuator, intercooler, and more solid gearbox.
Cheers guys, any more issues ask away
Matt
Garage19 has a serious grudge against us for some reason.
The inectors, by part number are 330CC.
It wasnt just Ł500 for the mapping, we had to wire it all up, sort the original wiring loom that was badly bodged by someone Phil previouly took the car to. We were under the impression it had a-31 in there, when we found out it didnt, we advised Phil and he was happy to have it mapped as such. We do have external boost control on our dyno, and such we mapped the car up to 19psi. As the ECU is working in MAP/RPM (Speed/desinsity) when he ups the boost to anywhere below 19psi, it is mapped to start with. (Garage19's extensive mapping and ECU operations knowledge shines here....)
It is worth noting that when we adivsed phuil he said he would look out for a -31 then bring the car back to us. The problem we have is geopgraphy, with him being so far away I cant easily help him out, if he were 5 miles away I would say to pop back now the bonnet is fixed and we could quickly adjust the idle for him, not a problem.
The engine was in a somewhat 'dodgy' state, but phil realiased this so we did the work required to get the vehicle to be mapped. At the point where the bonnet didnt want to open we simply coudent put more hours in without escalating phils bill beyond which was resonable. The latter of this, setting the idle, is fair enough.
Phil is happy, and we are planning on finishing the job once the car is back with the new actuator, intercooler, and more solid gearbox.
Cheers guys, any more issues ask away
Matt
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02-03-2009, 08:20 AM
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Did they fit the ecu? Are you running a coil pack and 36-1 tooth crank speed sensor?
Ł500 is what i would call proper money for mapping a car. I would expect a top notch job for that. Let us know how the car drives/starts when you get it back. Starts first time from cold and hot? Drives smoothly around town, on and of the throttle?
Ł500 is what i would call proper money for mapping a car. I would expect a top notch job for that. Let us know how the car drives/starts when you get it back. Starts first time from cold and hot? Drives smoothly around town, on and of the throttle?
As it is a ZVH you would KNOW it has the 36-1 trigger and I very much doubt is has a distributor if it runs the OFAC lomm and EDIS....
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02-03-2009, 08:26 AM
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I take it you are using a new cap now? I think the old one was literally just a little loose/seal gone.
Turbos all breathe quite heavily due to the extra pressure through compression, but either way glad you like it. Once the idle is risen to 900ish it will be puuurrffect!
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02-03-2009, 08:43 AM
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lol, sorry for the spam! Also,
We didnt try and bodge the actuator to saty at a bar or something silly like that, or even pressure Phil into uprating it. The gearbox was on its way out and any more it would of gone pop.
We are not in the business of ripping people off, phone another garage and ask them what they would charge to fit and map an RST which is in GOOD RUNNING ORDER. You will get Ł1600 back at a minum, and Ł2100 is the max we have had back.
The wiring was bodged together by someone phil paid Ł200 to to try and fit the OFAB onver the OFAC, they even had a GM IAT sensor, so we fitte a Ford one for him as well, then went about sorting the usable parts of the loom and EDIS module wa then removed etc.
Garage19 likes to though in all sorts of slander, with no perosnal experience whatso ever, an apparent lack of knowledge with regards how mapping works with respect to boost levels, didnt realise a Zetec has the 36-1 pattern, among other things.
Take the advice from people who have had an experience with us, you will find they are all good ones.
for example: http://community.rhocar.org/index.php?showtopic=21495
This guys car wasnt evebn running, had tooo much wrong to list, but we pressed on and look how chuffed he is....
I dont want to get into an argument with anyone, Garage19 has a grudge thats obvious, I am interested as to his identity, how have we offended you, or even WHO are you? lol
If anyone has had a personal bad experience, please contact us and we will resolve it, that is what I have been doing to sort all the isses my ex biz partner caused over 4 years ago, and as others have said, I think I'm not doing too badly.
Cheers,
Matt
We didnt try and bodge the actuator to saty at a bar or something silly like that, or even pressure Phil into uprating it. The gearbox was on its way out and any more it would of gone pop.
We are not in the business of ripping people off, phone another garage and ask them what they would charge to fit and map an RST which is in GOOD RUNNING ORDER. You will get Ł1600 back at a minum, and Ł2100 is the max we have had back.
The wiring was bodged together by someone phil paid Ł200 to to try and fit the OFAB onver the OFAC, they even had a GM IAT sensor, so we fitte a Ford one for him as well, then went about sorting the usable parts of the loom and EDIS module wa then removed etc.
Garage19 likes to though in all sorts of slander, with no perosnal experience whatso ever, an apparent lack of knowledge with regards how mapping works with respect to boost levels, didnt realise a Zetec has the 36-1 pattern, among other things.
Take the advice from people who have had an experience with us, you will find they are all good ones.
for example: http://community.rhocar.org/index.php?showtopic=21495
This guys car wasnt evebn running, had tooo much wrong to list, but we pressed on and look how chuffed he is....
I dont want to get into an argument with anyone, Garage19 has a grudge thats obvious, I am interested as to his identity, how have we offended you, or even WHO are you? lol
If anyone has had a personal bad experience, please contact us and we will resolve it, that is what I have been doing to sort all the isses my ex biz partner caused over 4 years ago, and as others have said, I think I'm not doing too badly.
Cheers,
Matt
02-03-2009, 08:45 AM
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Oh,
Forgot to say, Phil was charged Ł1100...that included us COLLECTING and REDILVIERING the car on a trailer (as it wasnt running when we picked it up and not taxed/tested etc), overing in total 720MIles for him. (180 one way) Anyone know of any other garage doing this?
We charged phil the small sum of just Ł200 including the diesel to do this. So thats leaving Ł800 for an ECU (Ł350 on its own) wiring and mapped, boost controller added, sorting old OFAC wiring, new injectors, ford IAT sensor. So wheres Ł500 for mapping come from Garage19? I am confused...
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Forgot to say, Phil was charged Ł1100...that included us COLLECTING and REDILVIERING the car on a trailer (as it wasnt running when we picked it up and not taxed/tested etc), overing in total 720MIles for him. (180 one way) Anyone know of any other garage doing this?
We charged phil the small sum of just Ł200 including the diesel to do this. So thats leaving Ł800 for an ECU (Ł350 on its own) wiring and mapped, boost controller added, sorting old OFAC wiring, new injectors, ford IAT sensor. So wheres Ł500 for mapping come from Garage19? I am confused...
Matt
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02-03-2009, 09:17 AM
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nice one matt go for it son. no mate still the old cap just aint taken it over 4000rpm thats probably why mate. Got my breather coming soon, booked in for mot on friday managed to up the idle a bit but now its 700rpm on cold start and around a 1000 when warm, thats better than it was i just want to keep taking it out its a crazy car now. love it
02-03-2009, 09:46 AM
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This is Passionford dont take too much notice, loads of keyboard heros with no knowledge of anything that love to put the boot in, even when they have little or no facts. The true test is a happy customer although he should have known not to come on here & ask a load of wanabees to comment.
Cheers Rod
This is Passionford dont take too much notice, loads of keyboard heros with no knowledge of anything that love to put the boot in, even when they have little or no facts. The true test is a happy customer although he should have known not to come on here & ask a load of wanabees to comment.
Cheers Rod
02-03-2009, 10:59 AM
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Matt,
Funny how everyone else came to the same conclusions as me from the information your customer has given on here.
I have nothing against you but have simply given solid advice that I still stand by to a fellow forum member who didnt seem to happy with the job you had done for him.
Where did I get Ł500 for mapping from .
Bad Boy: They charged Ł350 for the ecu and Ł500 to map
He also states.
it doesnt idle very well when cold sitting at 500rpm but mtech said thats what happens when u fit aftermarket management
Did you not say this? Are you saying that your customer has lied?
He also states:
Also its hesitant on acceleration, it seems to struggle when u floor it but then kicks u back in ur seat
If this is not a transient fuelling problem then please tell us what else is causing the problem.
As for asking if it has 36-1 and a coilpack, I was trying to assess if there was any other work you had carried out that may have bumped up the price. Im sure you are aware that if you use an ERST engine (after all this is an ERST) as a base for a ZVH conversion that unless you change to a later flywheel the engine will have to have some method of crank speed sensing fitted to the crankshaft pulley.
If a customer came to you and said there car had been mapped but didnt idle, bucked down the road on part throttle and made barely more power than a stock car despite a 31 % capacity increase what would you say?
There are many people that claim to map cars for a living that are utter shite at it. Many people on this forum have encountered them. Engine Advantages springs to mind.
Buying a Dyno Dynamics rolling road on hire purchase does not automatically qualify you as a competent engine calibrator.
If you would like to give a brief CV of your engine calibration and tuning past including notable cars that have achieved proven figures or done well in particular events/race series Im sure it would do no harm.
Funny how everyone else came to the same conclusions as me from the information your customer has given on here.
I have nothing against you but have simply given solid advice that I still stand by to a fellow forum member who didnt seem to happy with the job you had done for him.
Where did I get Ł500 for mapping from .
Bad Boy: They charged Ł350 for the ecu and Ł500 to map
He also states.
it doesnt idle very well when cold sitting at 500rpm but mtech said thats what happens when u fit aftermarket management
Did you not say this? Are you saying that your customer has lied?
He also states:
Also its hesitant on acceleration, it seems to struggle when u floor it but then kicks u back in ur seat
If this is not a transient fuelling problem then please tell us what else is causing the problem.
As for asking if it has 36-1 and a coilpack, I was trying to assess if there was any other work you had carried out that may have bumped up the price. Im sure you are aware that if you use an ERST engine (after all this is an ERST) as a base for a ZVH conversion that unless you change to a later flywheel the engine will have to have some method of crank speed sensing fitted to the crankshaft pulley.
If a customer came to you and said there car had been mapped but didnt idle, bucked down the road on part throttle and made barely more power than a stock car despite a 31 % capacity increase what would you say?
There are many people that claim to map cars for a living that are utter shite at it. Many people on this forum have encountered them. Engine Advantages springs to mind.
Buying a Dyno Dynamics rolling road on hire purchase does not automatically qualify you as a competent engine calibrator.
If you would like to give a brief CV of your engine calibration and tuning past including notable cars that have achieved proven figures or done well in particular events/race series Im sure it would do no harm.
02-03-2009, 11:00 AM
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ive had dealings with MTEC in the past and it was a fooooooooooookin nightmare!i gave up in the end,
about a year back someone mentioned MTEC and i said some rude words
matts radar ears must of been up as he ws straight on,I had a new ECU and all the help i needed with in a week
about a year back someone mentioned MTEC and i said some rude words
matts radar ears must of been up as he ws straight on,I had a new ECU and all the help i needed with in a week
02-03-2009, 11:02 AM
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Matt
This is Passionford dont take too much notice, loads of keyboard heros with no knowledge of anything that love to put the boot in, even when they have little or no facts. The true test is a happy customer although he should have known not to come on here & ask a load of wanabees to comment.
Cheers Rod
This is Passionford dont take too much notice, loads of keyboard heros with no knowledge of anything that love to put the boot in, even when they have little or no facts. The true test is a happy customer although he should have known not to come on here & ask a load of wanabees to comment.
Cheers Rod
I wouldnt consider myself a keyboard warrior with no knowledge. We have met and chatted. Did i seem like a guy that didn't know his arse from his elbow?
Ask your self this, would Mark map a car with a knackered actuator?
Would Mark let a car he has mapped leave his workshop that didnt idle properly and had transient fueling problems?
02-03-2009, 11:14 AM
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Garage,
The actuator was weak, and I did avise of this. Without intruding into Phil, he did not want to (for finanacial reasonas at the time) want us to carry out the upgrade, and also I recall he did actuyally have one that he had not had time to fit.
We spent a good 2 hoirs on transients, including TPS and MAP based accel enrichment and it stil hesistated, we are talking a very SLIGHT hesitation, the same as on the ogiringal management as Phil said. So we are close to OEM ford, not bad...
Remember the idle was also low (we literally coudnt get the bonnet open at the end opf the ropd test for me to increase the idle and Phil was happy with that. (He is happy with the car, I perosnally think you were too eager to jump in and stir the postings...)
My CV...
4 years at Loughborogh University, BSc Comp Sci,
1 Year in Automotive Motosport engineering to give me the magic MEng
6 years supoplying MS ECUs
3 years road mapping
Cant say I have many claims to big power cars but we have yet to be provided with something to start with. Our own Subaru makes just over 500 BHP (Fly) with a 22B forged engine which I road mapped on the M4...
We bumped a 96BHP 1800 Zetec to 155BHP with TBs+ECU mapped bty myself, not bad for a standard engine. 50BHP gain, more than Emerald have managed, with an almost flat torque curve.
I spend alot of time mapping mid range as that is where driving is done. WOT BHP is for pub talk.
The hesiattion will no doubt be that such a low idle, slamming the gate open will do this, especially on a restrictive turbo.
Try one of our TB'd cars out... thats what you call throttle response!
Anyway, no hard feelings, just your opinions against ours. The customer is chuffed, does this not speak for itself?
If we could get that bonnet open, and upped the idle, would there even be all this discussion?
Cheers,
Matt
PS, and the Dyno, Cash purchase from all the ECU sales we have had in the last 6 years. Oh, in terms of it making us an engine calibrator, neither does harping on a forum...
Anyway, have a 1970s Ford Granada Cossie on the rollers, absoulte immaculate full restorartion over 80K spent, and hes come to us for mapping and ECU, so must get on with that... Cheers,
The actuator was weak, and I did avise of this. Without intruding into Phil, he did not want to (for finanacial reasonas at the time) want us to carry out the upgrade, and also I recall he did actuyally have one that he had not had time to fit.
We spent a good 2 hoirs on transients, including TPS and MAP based accel enrichment and it stil hesistated, we are talking a very SLIGHT hesitation, the same as on the ogiringal management as Phil said. So we are close to OEM ford, not bad...
Remember the idle was also low (we literally coudnt get the bonnet open at the end opf the ropd test for me to increase the idle and Phil was happy with that. (He is happy with the car, I perosnally think you were too eager to jump in and stir the postings...)
My CV...
4 years at Loughborogh University, BSc Comp Sci,
1 Year in Automotive Motosport engineering to give me the magic MEng
6 years supoplying MS ECUs
3 years road mapping
Cant say I have many claims to big power cars but we have yet to be provided with something to start with. Our own Subaru makes just over 500 BHP (Fly) with a 22B forged engine which I road mapped on the M4...
We bumped a 96BHP 1800 Zetec to 155BHP with TBs+ECU mapped bty myself, not bad for a standard engine. 50BHP gain, more than Emerald have managed, with an almost flat torque curve.
I spend alot of time mapping mid range as that is where driving is done. WOT BHP is for pub talk.
The hesiattion will no doubt be that such a low idle, slamming the gate open will do this, especially on a restrictive turbo.
Try one of our TB'd cars out... thats what you call throttle response!
Anyway, no hard feelings, just your opinions against ours. The customer is chuffed, does this not speak for itself?
If we could get that bonnet open, and upped the idle, would there even be all this discussion?
Cheers,
Matt
PS, and the Dyno, Cash purchase from all the ECU sales we have had in the last 6 years. Oh, in terms of it making us an engine calibrator, neither does harping on a forum...
Anyway, have a 1970s Ford Granada Cossie on the rollers, absoulte immaculate full restorartion over 80K spent, and hes come to us for mapping and ECU, so must get on with that... Cheers,
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02-03-2009, 11:45 AM
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Matt,
You obviously seem a reasonably sharp chap. Perhaps you should introduce some form of sign off or completion certificate into your working method.
That way you could record snags and issues that are down to the customer much like the advisories page you may get with an MOT.
It would be signed by yourself and the customer and each party would keep a copy. That way there would be no issues like this arising and if they did you would have plain and simple proof to back up your argument.
You obviously seem a reasonably sharp chap. Perhaps you should introduce some form of sign off or completion certificate into your working method.
That way you could record snags and issues that are down to the customer much like the advisories page you may get with an MOT.
It would be signed by yourself and the customer and each party would keep a copy. That way there would be no issues like this arising and if they did you would have plain and simple proof to back up your argument.
02-03-2009, 12:32 PM
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Garage19,
Thanks, I only try to make everyone happy.
If a customer brings me a running, well maintained car I can fit and map an ECu for around Ł800/Ł1000 INCLUDING the ECU> Our prices, and above all our service are as good as I can make them, my best that is
Good idea, one which I will have my colleague drawing up this afternoon.
Anyway, Phil is back soon so we can get the power that engine deserves to deliver!
Cheers,
Matt
Thanks, I only try to make everyone happy.
If a customer brings me a running, well maintained car I can fit and map an ECu for around Ł800/Ł1000 INCLUDING the ECU> Our prices, and above all our service are as good as I can make them, my best that is
Good idea, one which I will have my colleague drawing up this afternoon.
Anyway, Phil is back soon so we can get the power that engine deserves to deliver!
Cheers,
Matt
02-03-2009, 02:18 PM
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I thought the Ł500 mapping fee was a little stiff until you mentioned sorting out sensors and wiring etc!
Regarding the actuator, I would have mapped the car on a good actuator and if the customer couldn't afford the new part then I would keep it to one side until he had the funds, saves having it back again
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02-03-2009, 02:30 PM
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Yeh would of been dieal, think Phil was just itching to get it back though lol!
lol and collection and redilivery was included in that Ł500
He as on about two vists anyway due to getting a new front mount and gearbox and wanting us to fit all that the second time round. It was a clean looking car, especially consdiring what he got his hands on it for!
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lol and collection and redilivery was included in that Ł500
He as on about two vists anyway due to getting a new front mount and gearbox and wanting us to fit all that the second time round. It was a clean looking car, especially consdiring what he got his hands on it for!
Matt
02-03-2009, 05:19 PM
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i must through this in agan but from useing m-tech in the past i have found them to be very honist imo i bort a fucked ecu sent it to them they rang me up as soon as they got it to tell me that it was one they had prevousley supplyed and they then fixed it FOC.
they could have kept there mouths shut imo and charged me any way but they dident..
im not taking sides at all martin i have heard nothink but good about you and garage19 i have seen your work on chips nova well inpressed. when funds alow it im gonna give you a call lol
they could have kept there mouths shut imo and charged me any way but they dident..
im not taking sides at all martin i have heard nothink but good about you and garage19 i have seen your work on chips nova well inpressed. when funds alow it im gonna give you a call lol
02-03-2009, 05:26 PM
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Lol oh right not clifton in bristol then! Glad you're happy with it now, though to be fair it didn't really sound like you were overly happy when you started the thread. Good responses matt, don't think we all had the full story to start with......
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No worries guys, sorry for the rant earlier.
Forums can make or break companies these days, and as we are just starting out with the rollers its important to maintain a good image, and build a good customer base etc.
Think it was more of just a miss understanding, plus, turn BBC news on, all news is bad news nowadays!
Anyway, Im still working away, bloody starvin time for dinner I think!!!
Matt
Forums can make or break companies these days, and as we are just starting out with the rollers its important to maintain a good image, and build a good customer base etc.
Think it was more of just a miss understanding, plus, turn BBC news on, all news is bad news nowadays!
Anyway, Im still working away, bloody starvin time for dinner I think!!!
Matt
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