Psycho Warren

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TBH im more with OPEC being behind it all than the US government. Look how the oil prices and air industry has gone as a result of 9/11 and TWAT in iraq and afghan. Look at the crazy costs of TWAT incured by the US!!!

fuzzy

weve built huge projects at 500million+ £££'s . you do get a lot for that sort of cash. your right though probably would cost much more though to be honest.
but as that link shows it was estimated at $200 million to remove the asbestos that was only in half of 1 building in the first place and that at the point off 9/11 half of that had already been removed.staging all that for the sake of removing asbestos is the stupidest thing ive heard.

Rich_w

Just because the crack pot conspiracy nut bags claim there was no debris and choose photos accordingly. Doesn't mean there wasn't any. And like I said earlier. Thousands of witnesses on the Freeway saw the plane!

Oh and watch this. Plane to no Plane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7eI4vvlupY

fuzzy

for every conspiracy theory theres a perfectly reasonable explanation.....

Glenn_

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So thats the only bit of the plane left then.Where is the wings and the wheels. and the seats.Bush got interviewed on 9/11 and said he had seen the video of the first plane hit the towers.The video didnt get realised until the next day.

fuzzy

you think the president of the usa has to wait for the video to be released?
look at that youtube link posted above of the plane crash test. how much do you reckons left off that thats bigger than football sized reckage?

Glenn_

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Ok im gonna shut up now.

danneth

i watched all of the debunked ones and couldn't believe how wrong they got it in most of them, this one prob been the best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tacYj...eature=related

they go on about no noise or explosions, all the witness talk about are the " loud bomb like explosions" ive watched most of the 9/11 vids and on a couple of them ive had explosions easily as loud as the demo clips they give

just dribble really isn't it

fuzzy

no need to shut up. its interesting to hear different theories and explanations.

Glenn_

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Can anyone explain about the bush family been good friends with the bin laden family.

fuzzy

money, money talks and there was business ties between the 2 families.

danneth

whats the explanation for bush not wanting to speak under oath?

whats the explanation for bush not wanting to be interviewed with the vice president seperately? ( scared there stories wont match up? )

whats the explanation for the cunt not wanting to testify?

whats the explanation behind the "independant" review team been made up of people from the white house? how is that independant

whats the explanation behind the key witness who was feared the most as he might be able to get a new investigation open again just suddenly dying? with " no explanation " how he died and his family wont talk to anyone??? but yet weeks before he was talking to the people who interviewed him asking them to retract his statements as he had been threatened and was scared.....

"Only a week ago we were stunned with the "suicide" of Kenny Johannemann -- a key witness to explosions in the basement of the North Tower.

Now Aaron of Infowars.com is running a story reporting that Barry Jennings is now dead:

http://www.infowars.com/?p=4602

Barry's testimony was clear ... there were explosions INSIDE WTC7 not connected with the plane impacts or demolitions of WTC 1 & 2.

Barry clearly says he knew he was stepping over DEAD BODIES in the lobby of the WTC7 as he was being escorted out."







the list is endless it really is, people might be able to argue with certain things but most of it imo is just clear to see

fuzzy

its as clear as you want to believe. no doubt there will be elements that would best be covered up but to think that was set up for whatever reason such as an insurance claim is nonsence in my opinion.
everythings a conspiracy, nothings simply a co incidence.
bush might not be thre brightest but im sure even the dumbest could corroberate a story to stick to between them but its more likely to cover up their incompetence at themselves and the secret services for failing to prevent it happening and to avoid embarrasing business links to the bin ladens but no matter what whas said or proved there will always be conspiracy theorists not wanting believe.
i could real off youtube videos and 'evidence' just as you could with neither of us likely to change our minds.

Glenn_

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Why did the WTC7 just colapse it only had a bit of fire damage.Then there was that woman who was taking about the WTC7 from the bbc saying it had colapsed but it was still there in the picture over here left shoulder.

Captain500rs

Tbh there aint gonna be much of a plane left hitting reinforced walls at nearly 500mph. or maybe the fbi or cia just planted the wheels and bits of engine there to make it look real lol.a mean how many rockets these day come wiv 757 wheels on them ffs. There is a theory on these things the lower your IQ the more likely you are to believe these conspiracy theories. I mean what do people actually think the hole in the wall is gonna look like ? An exact outline shape of a plane ffs ? get real lol

DanW@FastFord

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Danneth, may I politely suggest that arguing your point via YouTube clips is bordering on the moronic!

Be careful, you'll start to turn into David Icke!

xr4x4rs

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hmm not much left of that plane in the vid

Rich_w

The Bin Laden family, of which Osama was cast out decades ago, is a massive construction company with oil connections. Georgy boy is from Texas so gets to meet oil people all the time in his old job.



YEAH. Fuck the BBC and they're confused/incoherent reporting on the day of the worst Terrorist attrocity ever carried out. How could they possbily mess up! Fricking journos!


Captain.

This is the photo the US Government won't release!



Clearly shows where the plane hit!

Captain500rs

Thats actaully what people expect to see lol ^^^^. And the thing about the towers been done for insurance and what ya have is laughable also the whole thing about the owner renewing his policy just before it happened is bollocks. think if people actually look into it properly the insurance was renewed in 1993 when they actually set bombs off in the underground car parks of the towers. The thing about the other building coming and the theories round that in my eyes are way off. what do people actually think happens to foundations when milllons of tons of towers comes down wiv such a force, do you not think its gonna weaken bulidings and cause them to collapse, how did people not hear or see explosions in this buliding like they did in the towers lol. I dont actually think there is anyone on record that has actually said they heard explosions in the towers not fireman or members of the public.One guy actually said i heard windows popping wiv the heat and the conspiracists jumped on this and twisted it into explosions

Glenn_

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Werent the metal structure still melting weeks after the towers come down.They also looked like they had been cut.

fuzzy

so the reporter from the bbc was in on it as well?

fuzzy

ive never heard anything about that. why would they still be melting weeks later ?

Rich_w

Yep, because in a 110 story building collapses when on fire there's quite a few things left to burn! A lot of the fires were inaccessible for a few days due to rubble. Domn't think it was weeks mind. Maybe 1 tops.

Cut? Well that's kind of ineveitable given a plane crashed into it* Slicing through the middle of the structure. The way the floors were built if you knocked the middle out it all fell down easily.

*unless you believe like the nutters that it was a missilt attack disguised as a plane or a cargo planes flown by remote control disguised as UA 175 or UA11 which were landed and all the crew/passengers executed by "Black ops" or "agents" ) Its always Agents. Like in the Matrix!


Edited to add.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfYQAPhjwzA

This is the live CNN feed from that morning. At first they think its a radar malfunction. Maybe those Agents should have sent them the script!

Captain500rs

Must of been there weeks before wiv professional steel cutting equipment cutting the steel unnoticed by anyone just enough to know at exact what heat and force of a plane flying into it would make it buckle and come down lol. Remember these were just men that live in caves that did this but did not have the intelligence to fly a plane into the pentagon at a low height. and of course metal is still gonna melt and things are gonna burn wen there is air pockets caused by the building coming down. take air away from flames there is no flame.

Glenn_

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Just found this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87fyJ-3o2ws

Rich_w

Seriously, how old are you to belive this Bullshit?

The building had the middle knocked out of it. It was compromised. It fell down and the "booms" they hear are florr after floor hitting each other. But the nutbags just pick and choose what they want to try and make believe their story.

The Spanish tower for example. Wasnt built the same way. It also didn't have 400 tonnes of plane wedged in it burning aerospace fuel! Funny how they don't even try to explain it away. just ignore it and move on.

Oh and the expert from "Bring em Young" university? I'm sure I saw a porno with that title

And Eric Hufschmid, the maker of that film denies the Holocaust existed? You really want to hang a rational counter argument on that sort of person?

NUTTER

Glenn_

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_Z8-BTWuQg Mr bush what a man.

rostill2007

that could be from the air pressure from all that weight pushing down the stair cases etc causing a window to blow out and dust, smoke to pour out

Glenn_

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Well i did think that myself mate.Like i said ive come onto this post with an open mind.There is just alot of people who belive it was an inside job.I carnt belive with all the technology we have in this day in age that we carnt find one person(bin laden)

Rich_w

Have you ever seen a map of Tora bora Mountains? You reckon you can find 1 man who is actually trying to evade capture in that region that he knows very well with a massive network of caves and passages?

Honestly

Glenn_

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Then there is flight 93.Where did all the debri of the plane go to.

danneth

one of the best ones,

from when the first plane hit to theplane hitting the pentagon they had 1 hour 30 mins? they monitored it from 50 miles away its was captain obvious what was going to happen after all two planes had already hit the trade centre, YET they didn't shoot it down? one of the most guarded buildings ever and they let a plane crash into it?

come on guys LOL

danneth

WT7 just fell down from flying bits of debris

danneth

like they said any other flight which had gone off course for 5 mins only and they had planes all over it but not the one heading for the pentagon maybe they thought bush was been dropped off?

danneth

sorry we couldn't all be there like you and im far from arguing i said at the start IMO i believe something just interested into what people see differently to me,

sorry o great one though

Psycho Warren

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Theres plenty of beds in secure hospitals such as rampton and broadmoor for all the conspiracy theorists!!

I guess that would just fuel your theories more with delusions of the government "silencing" the theorists

At least it would get them off the streets and could be justified to protect them from danger and in the interests of thier health.

Wouldnt want these people getting caught up in a Wacko suicide cult

Dre.1983

https://passionford.com/forum/showth...rground&page=4

Have a read through Passion Fords own thread on the 7/7 attacks. You can see the confusion that the news agencies had.

fuzzy

without individually breaking it down to suspicious incidents and instead looking at the whole picture what do you believe the whole point in it was ,by who and to achieve what?

DanW@FastFord

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Keep your knickers on! Was just amused how your posts clearly demonstrate that you believe 'something' was up and that you used a rather 'controversial' source material, without (it appeared) looking into the validity of the arguments, or counter arguments.

You're the kind of person who Loose Change was made for. It's extremely easy to pick an unusual aspect of an unususal act and assign unusual meanings! But there is virtually always a rational explanation behind it all.

danneth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puWqN...aynext_from=PL


lets look at it another way? your a terriost you want to hurt the USA so you think of some plans you can do, someone mentions hijacking three planes and crashing them into the said buildings....

the first thing i would say ( and im not the brightest ) " we wont even get close to the buildings before where shot down " theres that plan right there gone yet they still went ahead with it? or did they just to know that there wouldn't be any kind of air defence that morning?


comming back to my other question why was a plane allowed to fly into the pentagon again?