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Old 17-02-2009, 06:57 PM
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Default Flames! why do i get them?

at high speeds my 200sx holds flames out like a flame thrower! proper 2ft long ones as well for a good 3 seconds, wtf?

why does it happen?
Old 17-02-2009, 07:01 PM
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Over fuelling at top end

Still though flames are good!!!

(disclaimer... I have no proper technical know how it was a stab in the dark )
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Little thing called overrun fuel shutoff in the map alternatively, the mapping is rich at the top end...
Old 17-02-2009, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CaftDunt
Over fuelling at top end

Still though flames are good!!!

yeah, lol, it gets everyone behind going crazy, some lady told me my car was on fire the other day

so if its over fuelling its just un burnt shell supreme being sent through getting wasted for a firworks display?
Old 17-02-2009, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Will @ M Developments
Little thing called overrun fuel shutoff in the map alternatively, the mapping is rich at the top end...
hmmm but i dont know if its on the over run, can this happen when on the accelerator?
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Originally Posted by cheeky dog
hmmm but i dont know if its on the over run, can this happen when on the accelerator?
Ah. Sorry - just reread your first post!

I thought you meant when you lifted off - doing it under load is a different ballgame!

Whats the spec of the engine and what's it mapped on/for?
Old 17-02-2009, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Will @ M Developments
Ah. Sorry - just reread your first post!

I thought you meant when you lifted off - doing it under load is a different ballgame!

Whats the spec of the engine and what's it mapped on/for?
im sure it happens on the overrun but i remember seeing shots and flashes when i was on the accelerator..

spec is quite nancy at the mo, here it is

3.5 ss exhaust de-cat
turbo elbow
down pipe
apexi filter
HKS plugs
Apex type 2 FMIC with Apex hot/cold pipes
WALBRO fuel pump
GREDDY cold air panel
manifold 4/1

holding just under 1bar
Standard ecu, no chip

Old 17-02-2009, 07:22 PM
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only impresses people of a certain age and those that dont know why m8-
once you get past 18 you'll be ok
Old 17-02-2009, 07:22 PM
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On the standard map. I've seen afr's around high to mid 10's when running 1 bar at high rpm. Has it got a dump valve?
Old 17-02-2009, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by lead_foot
On the standard map. I've seen afr's around high to mid 10's when running 1 bar at high rpm. Has it got a dump valve?
no d.v. took it off
Old 17-02-2009, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by cheeky dog
im sure it happens on the overrun but i remember seeing shots and flashes when i was on the accelerator..

spec is quite nancy at the mo, here it is

3.5 ss exhaust de-cat
turbo elbow
down pipe
apexi filter
HKS plugs mounted in the tail pipe
Apex type 2 FMIC with Apex hot/cold pipes
WALBRO fuel pump
GREDDY cold air panel
manifold 4/1

holding just under 1bar
Standard ecu, no chip


That'll be your problem then mate...you've got chav-itis
Old 17-02-2009, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cheeky dog
no d.v. took it off
Another reason. No DV = Overfuel when you let off.
Old 17-02-2009, 07:31 PM
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What are you planning to do with it? Overrun flames i'd expect with that spec - but under load i'd want to know more...
Old 17-02-2009, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by lead_foot
Another reason. No DV = Overfuel when you let off.
it was flaming with d.v. in too but removed it few months back so posibly could be getting more
Old 17-02-2009, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Will @ M Developments
What are you planning to do with it? Overrun flames i'd expect with that spec - but under load i'd want to know more...
when you say what im planing to do with it you mean road/track etc yes? well in that case road use, looking into injectors, chip, uping boost.

im still not 100% sure if its happening under load, will that be a cause for concern if it is?

if its overrun flames whats actually happening internally if ya dont mind

cheers

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Old 17-02-2009, 07:42 PM
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Every single s14/s14a with an exhaust, and no dumpvalve will pop huge flames, my old 400 bhp s14a spat a flame on every change, i swear it would set fire to some bugger if they get too close lolHave you been on SXOC? They are a decent bunch and will answer any questions, just dont tell em you drift corners or speed because they never do that as its illegal.
Old 17-02-2009, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by B16 Will
Every single s14/s14a with an exhaust, and no dumpvalve will pop huge flames, my old 400 bhp s14a spat a flame on every change, i swear it would set fire to some bugger if they get too close lolHave you been on SXOC? They are a decent bunch and will answer any questions, just dont tell em you drift corners or speed because they never do that as its illegal.
sxoc has some decent people on it but the mods are a bunch of w****rs, lol. bit of a dead forum too, get 2 answers every day in total. The knowledge on there isn't the best either.

PassionFord has the best technical and mechanical info imo. This is the first forum i joined and fords are me 1st love apart from being branded a chav by some, pf is the coolest

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Old 17-02-2009, 08:35 PM
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agreed, most are pricks. I diddnt realy spend long on there though.
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Originally Posted by B16 Will
agreed, most are pricks. I diddnt realy spend long on there though.
lol, got banned on there coz i called someone ned flanders! never went back, well i still check the parts for sale section

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BTT............. Will @ mdevelopments ?
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i got banned from the sxoc as they all said its easier to take the engine and gearbox out as one from an s13, i dissagreed as i found it easier to seperate them on mine.

but as bren i think it was said to do it all as one, everyone else jumped down my throat.

so i called them all cunts - and that was it lol
Old 17-02-2009, 09:07 PM
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deffo easier in 2 parts fudgey!!!!sxoc is full of pricks
Old 17-02-2009, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Fudgey
i got banned from the sxoc as they all said its easier to take the engine and gearbox out as one from an s13, i dissagreed as i found it easier to seperate them on mine.

but as bren i think it was said to do it all as one, everyone else jumped down my throat.

so i called them all cunts - and that was it lol

lol

the thread i called someone ned flanders on and got banned on was started by a guy who was saying everytime he pulls up home his neighbour starts swearing and shouting at him for his ex pipe!

everyone started saying "ahh grow up and get an exhaust bung", "your a chav" (being a sxoc favourite too)

i got in and said if your neighbour actually does that he sounds like a prick so just carry on as you do but still keep revs low..... as i was the only one that went against the grain guess what? I GOT BANNED
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flames are cool
Old 17-02-2009, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Basky
flames are cool
you must be a chav (im being sarcastic incase ya dont know)

id take cover behind your sofa dude... the bullets aimed at your dome will be flying.

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Old 17-02-2009, 09:46 PM
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as long as there are flames on over run it means theres fuel still going in and it can also cool the valves down, as mine was mapped for track they left it to over fuel on overrun for this reason
Old 17-02-2009, 09:53 PM
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flaimes are cool, the ones with the spark plug in the zorst are chavs, mine flaimes when i give it some in 4th but never in any other gear
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Originally Posted by RSTurboSI
flaimes are cool, the ones with the spark plug in the zorst are chavs, mine flaimes when i give it some in 4th but never in any other gear
yeah not for everyone tho, even flames naturally occuring as a result of a lil power is chav

mine will pop and bang in gears, flames between most hard changes and a bonfire when letting of in 5th, but dont why this happens so thought id ask.
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formula 1 cars flame and so do rally cars even touring cars they cant all be chavs surely?
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Originally Posted by Basky
formula 1 cars flame and so do rally cars even touring cars they cant all be chavs surely?
well "Forum 1" racers say even turbo chatter is for chavs..... Who remembers the noise of group b rally cars? but then they're just mere chavs drivng those cars, the real men are on car forums
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I've been banned from SXOC twice. Once for calling some one a cunt in jest and once for posting I picture of somebody sliding down a rainbow and at the bottom it said "Use drugs because in real life you can't slide down a rainbows".
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Originally Posted by CaftDunt
Over fuelling at top end

Still though flames are good!!!

(disclaimer... I have no proper technical know how it was a stab in the dark )
Flames can be caused by overfueling or under fueling on light throttles or deceleration.
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What an intresting read!

So SXOC are twats?LOL
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My 200sx flames like a mofo on run off, mine was mapped by APT though.
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Originally Posted by Rs Cosworth 1
What an intresting read!

So SXOC are twats?LOL
TBH some of them really know their stuff but alot of them are mongs and they think that the 200SX is some sort of Supercar.
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Originally Posted by Rs Cosworth 1
What an intresting read!

So SXOC are twats?LOL
MOST are. some are cool as with everywhere!

but never say you drive fast, never say you drift, never say you have an after market ex pipe thats louder than stock, never say you got turbo chatter, flames, stickers, timberlands, listen to hip hop, etc etc..... infact its pritty hard to live without being branded a chav or hooligan....

you have been warned
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