AlexF

Why would I pay for a tuners version?

Alex

silky16v

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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2009-58-Vauxha...1%7C240%3A1318

then book it in for 1 of these packages
http://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/t...formance.shtml

or if you felling really flush and you like the styling just buy a ready tuned version

http://www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk/t..._Edition.shtml

alan12112

because last time I checked they had 225bhp, loads of torque and 50mpg

can't argue with that!!

AlexF

Nothing I can't do myself

alan12112

Get it done then!!

Porkie

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Was out at the beginning of 2008 wasnt it?!?!?

Mark_

what does that mean?
the rs2000 has more power than a standard rsturbo so does that mean that they arent worthy of the rs badge either?

Mark_

sub 160bhp in a heavy car that doenst handle very well, pleasant enough car, but NOT sporty.[/QUOTE]



what rs branded ford had more than 160bhp in standard trim apart from the cosworth models?

none, so does that mean none of them are worthy of the rs badge aswell?

alan12112

I saw the car in test last year for mags etc

but i've yet to see one for sale

i'll have a look now, you might be right Porkie

Found one - they are for sale now, you can just buy the bits from Vauxhall - doh

Chip

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When the RS Turbo came out, it was good power for the time, when the fwd rs2000's came out, they werent.
The RS Turbo also had proper motorsport heritage in volumes, and had massive tuning potential.

Mark_

i can see what you mean but i wouldnt have gone as far as saying they were crap,

have you ever driven one?
they dont handle badly at all and if driven right they do go pretty well,
yes they could be better and faster but couldnt everything?

i own and drive an rs2k 4x4 as a daily driver and very much enjoy it, yes id like more power but doesnt evryone. for the money they can be had, they are a good bargin car and very reliable which is more than can be said for other 'real rs cars'

AlexF

Chip - what was a car with good power for the time then?

1991 - golf GTi?

I cant think of much better than a mk5 rs2k....

Mark_

within the same price range

Chip

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Im talking crap in the context of the RS range, not just as a general run around, as which they are fine.


Yes I have, and they are frustratingly slow for a car with an RS badge, and the handling is just typical mk5/mk6

The bargain money they can be had for is demonstrating how little they are thought of as an RS car IMHO, and one of the main reason for the price even being as high as they are, is the "second rs car" insurance scheme meaning they can be insured for peanuts and driven as a daily car by owners of other RS cars, the ONLY thing vaguely "RS" about them really is the badge, as per my original post.

AndyRST

The Focus RS

Chip

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Why have you just made up that I said something, when I didnt?

That quote was by mar k not me?

AlexF

LOL! for Andy ????

derekd

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Anything VXR tends to be very good, Vauxhall take that brand very seriously, they dont just go slapping it on any old shite to try and sell it and cheapen the brand as a result like ford sadly did with the RS badge

when comparing a vxr to a rs you should look at the focus rs????
and when comparing a mk5 rs200016v to a vauxhall of the same era look at the mk2 astra GTE that was same ( common criticism is that the handling was never good enough for the engine.)This was largely received as a gimmick car too

Chip

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Wow, have a prize for TOTALLY missing the entire fucking point of my post.


The Astra GTE, was NOT branded "VXR" so as such how the cunting fuck do you claim it in some way cheapens the VXR brand the way that the FWD RS2000 cheapens the RS brand?

derekd

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its not your point i am getting at mate its your comments ??


vauxhall gave up on the GTE brand cause well they were crap and could never match or sell as well as the ford RS range so came up with the vxr range witch are nice cars but will always be second place to the ford rs`s of the same era ?

Mark_

the only reason the rs2000 isnt sought after is the fact that they are quite difficult to tune.

Chip

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I made no comment about the astra GTE, other than the RS in question came out ages after it and yet wasnt as quick as it.
Which was my WHOLE point, that RS cars have always been competitive against or often been better than others cars at the time they were released with the equivalent models from other makes, such as the vauxhall range.
So for this RS to come out 10 years after the Astra GTE, and be slower than it despite both being 16v 2 litre hatchbacks in the same sector, showed how woefully short of the RS brand that car fell.


Do you understand now, or do you need an even more simple explanation?

Chip

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No, thats not the only reason, its also cause the standard car is not up to scratch to begin with, integra type r's are equally difficult to tune, but are sought after cause they are actually good sports cars, not just a lame shopping car with a not even sporty engine for its time of release engine put into it and then slapped with some badges that are writing cheques the performance cant cash.


Fuck me there are some people on here who REALLY need to take their blinkers off if they cant see that the RS2000 let down the RS brand, do you REALLY think that it is on a par with its rivals the way the original RS RWD cars were, or the cosworth was etc?

derekd

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do you REALLY think that it is on a par with its rivals the way the original RS RWD cars were

no mate but think it was on par with other fwd sports cars of that era !

and for me its ford thats why i am here PASSIONFORD??

silky16v

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what a load of horse shit the GTE made way for Astra GSi still using the same engine

then the same era you had the Cavalier GSi then the Cav Turbo

then not forgetting the Nova GTE then the GSi

for that whole era the Vauxhall Fwd car were and still are better then any ford attempt at Fwd

lets have a look what you had to choose from

Ford: Escort RS Turbo and then the RS2000 then awful 4x4 version

Vauxhall: Astra GTE, Astra Gsi, Corsa Gsi, Nova GTE, Nova GSi, Cavalier GSi, then of course the Calibra & Cavalier Turbo

So between the time of the ERST & the Focus RS ford didn't make a Fwd RS worth Shit that was cheaply tunable and that even resembled something sporty

you had Fords CVH or Vauxhall 8v range i'd know what i'd rather own
Then Fords 2.0 16v engine against Vauxhalls 2.0 16v lets not even go there

take off your Ford Glasses and appricate between those time i've stated Vauxhall had the edge over Ford in there top of the Range Fwd Cars

Chip

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DerekD, Tell you what mate, just ignore my comment, if you think that the RS2000 deserves the RS label just as much as an escos or rs500 or 3door etc does, then thats fine you obviously have a different way of deciding if cars were any good or not to me, i really cant be bothered to argue for yet another page over a comment I made that you simply are NOT capable of understanding due to your blinkers about your car.

Not just about FWD either, after all they did 4wd too, and if you think an RS2000 4wd is as good as evo or a skyline or imprezza etc, then fair enough

silky16v

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oh god he takes the website address far to seriously

mate i've had them all Fords Vauxhalls every possible combination even onto mitsubishi now

I'd have Vauxhall of that era everytime

when the mk5 RS200 came out the GTE 16v was still available and it ran rings round it then onto the Astra Gsi which was just as good just heavier

Mark_

no one is saying that the rs2000 4x4 is anywhere near as good as a skyline or evo,
it just seems that the old pf atitude strikes again,
unless its turbo with 300+bhp then its shit.
some people happen to enjoy the cars they drive even if it doesnt make huge power.
i thought this was a site to embrace ALL fords but its not.....
it should be renamed the turbo society or something that way us lesser powered people can sod off and go else where, where we wont get our cars slated.
jesus, ive posted on non ford forums and got less stick and abuse for driving an rs2k.
so much for a new year, new pf.
same old same old if you ask me

Chip

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Oh FFS another one as bad as that derek fella!

Mar K, you are REALLY missing my point.

Im NOT having a go at anyone for driving an rs2000, I couldnt care less if you drive a 1.1 popular.

What I am saying is that a brand's worth is determined by the products that it sells.
If harrods started selling the same products as Aldi and at the same prices etc, then soon the exclusivity and quality that people perceive from the Harrod's brand would get watered down.

VXR have not yet (they will, ford and vauxhall always get this stuff wrong) let their brand slip by attaching it to a car of a lower standard, ford DID do so with the RS.

Audi have protected their RS brand by ONLY attaching it to very high performance cars, and as such its perceived as still meaning something.


Its not an attack on the cars, its not an attack on their owners, its merely a statement of fact that by choosing to ascociate the RS brand with those cars, the brand is now perceived by people as meaning less than it did before.

Chip

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double post, delete

Mike C

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What about the Meriva? Surely that's putting a badge on a turd if ever I saw it. And the Vectra VXR is naff IMO

In fact the only FWD VXR I can really say I like is the Corsa, it's the only one that feels "right" to me

Chip

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One of the fastest vehicles in its class as far as im aware mate, and with massive tuning potential too

Cant comment on your opinion, but at least its a genuinely fast car for the sector its in.

derekd

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[quote=silky16v;3864080]oh god he takes the website address far to seriously

mate i've had them all Fords Vauxhalls every possible combination even onto mitsubishi now

I'd have Vauxhall of that era everytime




so u would take a vauxhall over a escos then? car of that era??92-97?

Mint FRST

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This is really entertaining!

Horses for courses I think you will find. Brand names tend to sell things hence Ford sticking an old engine that could be set up to meet current emission laws in the then current Escort. The performance may be 'luke' to some and by todays standards but IMO they were underated....

Chip

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He said FWD you absolute idiot!

PLEASE learn to read as you keep just replying with utter utter gibberish.

carlo

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mk5/6 rs2000 are crap fact end of

Mark_

well we could go on for ever on this one so......... each to their own. we are all entitled to our oppinions i guess and where would we be if we all thought the same.

Mark_

and because you say there crap they must be.

Mike C

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What class does the Meriva come in though, lol? And why the need for such a performance model? I can begrudgingly see the need for a high-performance Zafira/S-Max, but not a Zafira.

The Astra VXR is a direct competitor to the Focus ST, Civic Type-R, Golf GTi whatever the latest Megane equivalent is etc and on paper it's good. But wasn't that the case with the MK5 RS2000 in 1991?

I agree that the MK5 RS2000 is shite if I'm honest even if they are nice to look at. But on paper, I'm sure they weren't totally outclassed in their day...

trev27

So for that reason its not worthy of an RS badge, in your opinion?
IMHO it deserves the RS badge, and also Ford thought so aswell for that matter, which
is good enough for me.
Why would Ford spend more money on giving the RS2000 more power when the Cosworths of the day could n't be driven, due to been stolen or wrote off by arseholes. Most RS's spend all their days been trailered to shows, cleaned (or "detailed" as the word is now) and only driven on a dyno so that the owner can post a power figure and show off on here.
RS2000 owners drive their cars everyday (i do) and they are reliable, good everyday RS,
very worthy of the badge.