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Old 08-01-2009, 01:11 PM
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Its hardly ava's secret then if they done it on the touring cars
Old 08-01-2009, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by carlo
Its hardly ava's secret then if they done it on the touring cars
I said similar, I didn't same same .
Old 08-01-2009, 01:17 PM
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Shall i start a poll called lets guess AVA's top-secret military protected turbo secret and see if anyone can get it. Or better still, I will just call Mark Shead and he will tell me what it is and then i may be able to sleep better tonight.
Old 08-01-2009, 01:20 PM
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Fuck sake theres not that many possibilities are there?
Old 08-01-2009, 01:29 PM
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I see you still have act issues mike lol
Not seen your sapph map but typically your mapper does not use any act retard till 70 C act
Old 08-01-2009, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by CossieRich
Shall i start a poll called lets guess AVA's top-secret military protected turbo secret and see if anyone can get it. Or better still, I will just call Mark Shead and he will tell me what it is and then i may be able to sleep better tonight.
Why not just phone Alan if you are so interested .
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Originally Posted by Tony S Mannock
I see you still have act issues mike lol
Not seen your sapph map but typically your mapper does not use any act retard till 70 C act
I have less of an issue now, as I run a much bigger intercooler, but this is all back in 2001 .
Old 08-01-2009, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Jim,
You know exactly what power mine made before the mods, I didn't have it dynoed again after the mods, but thought that the removal of any restriction was no bad thing and it was mapped in the car at Bruntingthorpe to take this into account.
ooh yeah ! lost track of things
Old 08-01-2009, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
I said similar, I didn't same same .
Isn't that another way of saying they stole there Idea and changed it slightly to claim it as there own?

Benni.
Old 08-01-2009, 02:02 PM
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Old 08-01-2009, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Why not just phone Alan if you are so interested .
because you numpty, I am not a customer of ava so why would he tell me. And if Euan isnt allowed to tell the world i would be asked not too as well.
Old 08-01-2009, 02:17 PM
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take it carlo doesnt like avaon a more serious note what other sucessfull cars have ava had other than euans?not a dig just a question.
Old 08-01-2009, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
I have less of an issue now, as I run a much bigger intercooler, but this is all back in 2001 .
stop living in the past roflol
Old 08-01-2009, 02:19 PM
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on a more serious note what other sucessfull cars have ava had other than euans?not a dig just a question.[/quote]
MMMM there are that many i cant think
Old 08-01-2009, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony S Mannock
stop living in the past roflol
I'm just providing clarification as quoting things without doing so is misleading IMO .
Old 08-01-2009, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
I would just like to add that the problem with Euan's engine was the exact same as the MAD engine, in that they used long studs not really up to the job. Both companies switched to the same ones and the problem was resolved.

The issue was the longstuds stretching causing head gasket failure, I fail to see how this is an engine failure, as the engines were still running perfectly, but were pressurising the cooling system.

When you run engines at this power level, things break, so you have to have the BEST parts available. You only learn at what power level things break / are inadequate by pushing these limits.

Also, regarding my own engine making 395bhp at the wheels at AVA compared to Euans, you cannot compare apples with oranges. My car had a hugely tall final drive (3.36), which meant that my 4th gear was equivalent to most Cossies 5ths and it would have hit over 160mph on the rollers @ 8000rpm. Combine that with high ambients and the fact that the intercooler was insuffcient to maintain charge temps at below 55°C (inducing ignition retard), and the fact that the WI was flat out trying to maintain temps, would all have contributed to lower figures.

Just so you can see the difference - at 1.2 bar, it made 320bhp @ the wheels (perfect ACTs), at 2.2 bar, this only climbed by 75bhp with poor ACTs etc. With a more efficient intercooler (Euan had TWO RS500 ones welded together) and standard gearing, I would imagine that it would have seen at least 420bhp - 430bhp @ wheels...

Incidentally, my roller bearing T4 makes full boost by 3500rpm. People forget that cam choice / timing is critical in turbo boost threshold, and so a turbo is often critcised for it's poor threshold, when it is actually running cams / timing mismatched to the turbo.

Mike you are total incorrect on what you have said, You need to ask AVA what eauns problems were as they were not the same as the faults I have had with Rods, And no the head bolts were not the problem on Rods.

Mark
Old 08-01-2009, 06:55 PM
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The cylinder cracked on euans engine think it was no3
Old 08-01-2009, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by stevenebm
take it carlo doesnt like avaon a more serious note what other sucessfull cars have ava had other than euans?not a dig just a question.

mine

although ava didint build my car,they look after it
Old 12-01-2009, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Mike you are total incorrect on what you have said, You need to ask AVA what eauns problems were as they were not the same as the faults I have had with Rods, And no the head bolts were not the problem on Rods.

Mark
Sorry Mark, I was sure I read somewhere that you changed the studs as you weren't happy with them, along with the gasket .
Old 12-01-2009, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by col cos1
mine

although ava didint build my car,they look after it
what times have your three door done colin?
Old 12-01-2009, 05:39 PM
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edited.
cant be arsed

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Old 13-01-2009, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by stevenebm
what times have your three door done colin?

1/4 mile times?
Old 14-01-2009, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by col cos1
1/4 mile times?
any in general.oh and that wasnt meant to be a slating comment.was just a question as i dont think ive saw them mate.
Old 15-01-2009, 07:15 PM
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ok .. all crap removed, please do not clutter it up again.

Last edited by Eagle; 15-01-2009 at 07:24 PM.
Old 15-01-2009, 07:29 PM
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it will be getting timed by fast ford soon mate

only thing i can tell you is it made a shitey 13.3 1/4 at crail,on 20 psi and no traction in 1st or 2nd
Old 15-01-2009, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MadRod
Now thats funny, i have your accleration figures & believe me they aint good. Please get real on your car Euan.

on my good god, get a life rod
that car was awesome and you know it
Old 15-01-2009, 09:25 PM
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can we get back on subject & 4get about euan as the car is no more any way nor is it about ava ( its about what turbo to use to get 500 bhp/550bhp plz cut the bitching out )
Old 15-01-2009, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by andy escos
can we get back on subject & 4get about euan as the car is no more any way nor is it about ava ( its about what turbo to use to get 500 bhp/550bhp plz cut the bitching out )
As above

Thanks for the replies so far though!!
Old 07-02-2010, 10:26 PM
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Hi to all.

I intend to use a gt35 turbo. My question is what sort of cams I will use.
Can someone help? I had in mind a BD15 exhaust and BD16 inlet but not sure!!
For 1/4 mile use.

Cheers
Old 07-02-2010, 10:32 PM
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how the hell did you find this thread lol,it would of been easier to start a new thread!i believe the 15 cam is a nicer cam to map then the 14
Old 07-02-2010, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by NORTH YORKS RS SPARES
Well sod you all , I love my big fat T4 , it isnt that laggy on my 500 ,
quite agree mate my roller bearing t4 on my 3 door was spot on and made more than 500bhp.
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