Gatecrasher

Can anyone tell me whats the closest ratio gearbox i can get to fit a 2L Zetec engine?

its going in a Mondeo for a Banger Racing Car, you never get out of second and its all about acceleration

thanks for your help

Fudgey

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i had a 1.6 escort gearbox on my old 2.0l powered escort.

think its closer that the 2.0l item

Gatecrasher

Cheers for the info dan

Would a 1.1 X Flow gearbox fit a zetec?

Paul_RS

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RS2K box is closer that standard ones i think?

Fudgey

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not sure on the xflow ben, but most ford boxes seem to bolts straight up.

as in, im using a cossy t5 on my zetec, so its highly possible that the xflow will fit

IFD

You could use the RS1800 BC gearbox... and if you wanted even closer ratios fit a S1 RST final drive to it... that would scream!

RichieST

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getrag 6spd out of an st170?

Lloyd

i dont know the ratios,but i have a spare rs1800 gearbox.

Fudgey

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isnt that one an mtx lloyd? does it have a lift reverse?

my bc box didint, but be warned, i destroyed 2 in one month with about 180bhp

Daviet

whys it all about acceleration?the races are started from a rolling start and your lucky to ever get over 50 so staying in 2nd gear is usually perfect anyway.

Fudgey

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iirc the rs2000 mtx box wil do 62mph in 2nd if thats any use lol

Mike Rainbird

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westus1

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x-flow box does fit on
but depends whether the mondeo has the earlier type linkage and cable clutch
or late spec cable change and hydraulic clutch
also most mondeo's have the starter at the back, x-flow will be at the front

pa_sjo

.. surely that'd depend on the tyre size and engine speed

Fudgey

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pretty sure thats on a std car

might be wrong tho lol

Rossco

Id be more worryed about having your head knocked off rather that short gearing.

Daviet

are you allowed to have fuel injected cars down there for bangers?
i know up here the guys using zetecs most are running them on a xr2 carb.
id rather have a 2litre pinto sierra who cars if you dont win youll have much more fun being rwd

Rossco

Dont think EFI is allowed anywhere, apparently people use early Fiesta management and a carb set up

Daviet

cheers mate.i thought that was the case about using efi.
i know the zetecs on the carbs some of them do fly for what they are but tbh most of them are unrealible as fook

neilm

Why are they unreliable on a carb ?


What most banger boys do is wire up an EDIS module and it runs no advance at all, but hey they just cane the shit out of them anyway.

What they should be doing is using the ECS Module from the early fiesta.

Although I did hear of a little trick to do with moving the crank sensor slightly to alter the static timing.

Gatecrasher

Story so far is met up with my brother last night he has done his first Banger race and totaly loved it there is a Metro meet next week and he has the car all ready but next month there is a Mondeo 2.0L meet and he wants to be as quick if not the quickest off the mark

first off we was trying to think how you could make a N/A 2.0L mondeo fast without spending £5000 on a whole new engine

Spoke to mike and he sugested closer ratio gears and the 150hp zetec lump you get in a mondy

told him that a set of second hande coilovers "cant find any yet" and decent'ish part worns 195/50/15 Tyres instead of the normal road tyres will help

since then today i see a ST170 engine box everthing for a conversion for £800

done a serch on ST170 and Carbs and all it brings back on google and here are Bike throttle bodys, Would they be classed as CARBS in the Banger Regs?

really am considering building one of these and going out to try and win the race rather than smash the fuck out of it lol

Gatecrasher

Cane the shit out of them!! they dont even use a Radiator they use a sealed tank and change the water after every race i said put ice cubes in your tank at the start of the race

being reliable is not what he wants and chances are the engines going to get totaled anyway if it dont cook first!

Could the Bike carb setup work would it pass as non Efi and how would you get the engine to run without an ECU or am i pissing into the wind?

RyanML

my 1.6 box on my 2.0 does 65 in second lol.

1.6/8 box is ample.

Mike Rainbird

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Ben,
If you don't even know the rules and regulations, then what chance does anyone stand helping you . Throttle bodies and the like WILL be classed as fuel injection you muppet. I would imagine they have specified that it has to be a single carb as well to keep costs down. What about fitting a radiator inside the car in the crash structure, so he retains as much power as possible, because this will obviously be dying off towards the end of the race as the car gets hotter and hotter!

CossieRich

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Lloyd

i used to do a lot of banger and saloon stox racing,many years ago.
fit a rad and fan in the car,where the back seats used to be.and use scafolding pole to connect it to the engine,
cut a side wall out of a tyre,and use it on the outside of the wheel,you will need innertubes to keep the tyre inflated,this stops damage and punctures.
2.0l engine,fitted with a 1600 cylinderhead.very high comp,difficult to start/may need 24v to the starter motor,but it will rev really good.wont last long,but who cares.

Fudgey

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ben carbs are carbs, and throttle bodies are injected.

i have a set of bike carbs you can have for £50 delivered.

let me know if your interested (best look into the rules tho, incase as mike said its only single carb allowed)

Rossco

Spot on