New L6/L8/P8 Pectel Monitor Software Development
01-01-2009, 09:34 PM
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***** HELP PLEEEEEEEEASE *****
I need to borrow a working L8 with a genuine pectel board (4 injector).
Doesnt matter what state of tune the chip is in it.
Also need a P8 soon too with pectel board and that already has the modification done for a pectel monitor unit comms.
I need to do some concentrated final testing without wasting fuel, or being outside in the cold..
Actually I can do much more testing without an engine as I can run an ECU on the bench on a simulator under all possible running conditions.
I will need it for about 3 to 5 days if possible.
I will return the ECU with a working version of the software and a suitable PC lead and cover your postage costs.
PM me if you can help.. Thanks
I have successfully added the fuel and ignition map reading facility and also the global adjustment features as found on the higher spec pectel monitor !
Thanks Dave
I need to borrow a working L8 with a genuine pectel board (4 injector).
Doesnt matter what state of tune the chip is in it.
Also need a P8 soon too with pectel board and that already has the modification done for a pectel monitor unit comms.
I need to do some concentrated final testing without wasting fuel, or being outside in the cold..
Actually I can do much more testing without an engine as I can run an ECU on the bench on a simulator under all possible running conditions.
I will need it for about 3 to 5 days if possible.
I will return the ECU with a working version of the software and a suitable PC lead and cover your postage costs.
PM me if you can help.. Thanks
I have successfully added the fuel and ignition map reading facility and also the global adjustment features as found on the higher spec pectel monitor !
Thanks Dave
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01-01-2009, 10:03 PM
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Stu,
I never wanted this to compete with your product (more specifically..YOU) and if the truth be told, I could have made this over 5 years ago if things were different and/or I wasnt so lazy..LOL.
I never wanted this to compete with your product (more specifically..YOU) and if the truth be told, I could have made this over 5 years ago if things were different and/or I wasnt so lazy..LOL.
I'm not worried about competition in the slightest pal, more wondering why you are spending so much time and money developing a product that already exists in a very polished version? Just seems you could be putting your skills to better use mate, especially when your so stressed for time you still have jobs outstanding with me from YEARS ago!
I want this to do so much more than a basic monitor.
It has many more functions and is more user customisable.
Not sure at this point in time how and what functions will be made available and to who...etc..
It has many more functions and is more user customisable.
Not sure at this point in time how and what functions will be made available and to who...etc..
display extra live data like lambda sensors inputs and lambda fuel correction, knock sensor status...etc.
If it takes off, I want to add an extra interface board for extra sensors like speedo, wideband etc..
One thing I have discovered is a way to live map the main fuel and spark tables in real time just like an aftermarket ECU. Obviously, this is only valid while the computer is online to the ecu due to the lack of flash memory in the ecu but I have yet to decide if this feature will be ever available publically..
Just think what could be done with a lightly modified baby board
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01-01-2009, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Im not worried about competition in the slightest pal, more wondering why you are spending so much time and money developing a product that already exists in a very polished version? Just seems you could be putting your skills to better use mate, especially when your so stressed for time you still have jobs outstanding with me from YEARS ago!
The RP labs version is indeed very good but its not very flexible or "pretty" IMO.
Some people want functionality, some want looks, others want it all...LOL
This software will have the ability to run multiple protocols such as OBD2 and the EDC bosch etc....
This project hasnt cost me a penny so far just my time.
Remember, I had all this info years ago but never did anything about it and it just seemed a waste to have done all the research and just throw it away.
I did offer Mike R this product when I was trading but he didnt reply to me so it got shelved..LOL
I wanted an armchair project to do as for health reasons I am unable to do much physical work at this time.
This software just seemed an ideal thing to do and to see how far I could push the limits of the ecu and my skills in windows programming.
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Are you not only using the instruction set that Pectel made available 20+ years ago? The fuel and ignition map output for example was standard Pectel feature that they chose not to read with the monitors as it was a bad feature to send out to the public back then, and in fact it still is. You will potentially be hated by every cosworth tuner in the land if you release that feature IMO as their spark and fuel maps are pretty much teh be all and end all of their work and the way their cars do what they do. Thats why pectel chose not to make it public, and then Sue Collins also chose not to do so with her version, as then did Nikola at RP labs as i discussed it with him at the time. take a hint out of these professionals books Simon before you alienate all your potential customers.
Just because Pectel didnt use the features doesnt mean its bad !
Reading maps isnt an issue as the user cant do any damage.
I suppose some tuners may see that as a possible copy issue
Anyone can get a top range pectel monitor or top version RP IAW and use the global adjust feature to make up the map tables bit by bit by noting down the ecu addresses.
Also they can blow there engine up too by using the adjust feature on the products I mentioned not just my version.
I cant see why you think this this software would alienate anyone who wanted to use it ?
As for being hated, Im already in that place .. so nothing much to lose...
I am sure if any of them were really concerned, they would have made me an offer to give up this ... LOL (joke !)
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
So does the IAW monitor. Admittedly though only on P8. I believe the reason that it wasn't all enabled on L8 by pectel after they spent all that time developing it was the processor being over taxed under hard load. There is only so much that L8 can do. Take care you don't over stress the ECU and start killing peoples engines.
(Unlike most subaru imprezza's when I was working on them ...LOL)
Originally Posted by L8 ECU
One thing I have discovered is a way to live map the main fuel and spark tables in real time just like an aftermarket ECU. Obviously, this is only valid while the computer is online to the ecu due to the lack of flash memory in the ecu but I have yet to decide if this feature will be ever available publically..
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Again, this was done by Pectel 20 years ago and they decided to release it as a global adder instead as the function being lost of key off made it kind of a pointless feature, so they made the adjustemtn global. All my L8 chips have this feature as standard.
Ideal for testing purposes though
Originally Posted by L8 ECU
Just think what could be done with a lightly modified baby board
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
RP labs did it years ago mate. See Mike Rainbird for details.
Most aftermarket ECU's are so much cheaper ! Ask Mike how many he's sold...
I was thinking more along the lines of being able to edit standard chips like Pectel and Standard base files etc..
Anyway, that was only a possibility.
I cant beleive its taken me 40 minutes to write this post
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01-01-2009, 11:27 PM
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(That is a compliment by the way)
This was just a technical excercise for me but it seems to have generated loads of interest.
Over 2600 views on here and nearly 200 different IP addresses have downloaded the demo software
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02-01-2009, 11:21 AM
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Stu,
On the original thread I started here..... https://passionford.com/forum/general-car-related-discussion/266269-fao-people-who-use-laptops-in-cars-updated-20-11-08-a.html
On Post #94 I said.... (old user name)
You replied on post #103.....
You seemed to have changed your mind .. May I ask why ????
On the original thread I started here..... https://passionford.com/forum/general-car-related-discussion/266269-fao-people-who-use-laptops-in-cars-updated-20-11-08-a.html
On Post #94 I said.... (old user name)
Originally Posted by Flux Capacitor
I could add a feature to create a final chip file with adjusted checksums and encryption but that would upset a few people so at this point in time it is something that will be never be enabled in published versions.
You replied on post #103.....
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Bollocks to them whoever they are, get it done and make some money from your knowledge.
You seemed to have changed your mind .. May I ask why ????
02-01-2009, 07:25 PM
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hey simon, i was giving it some thought today,
and id like to run this full time in my saff as a dash display via a small computer, and a screen i would build into a custom dash cluster....no plans yet just an idea...
now, would it be possible for this to give a speed display via a abs sensor? so you could have a large speed reading, and scatter the other displays around it....
and id like to run this full time in my saff as a dash display via a small computer, and a screen i would build into a custom dash cluster....no plans yet just an idea...
now, would it be possible for this to give a speed display via a abs sensor? so you could have a large speed reading, and scatter the other displays around it....
02-01-2009, 07:58 PM
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02-01-2009, 08:09 PM
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Stu, Thanks YHPM
Have a P8 on the way too...
I have found a cheapish off the shelf interface board that will accept most sensor inputs and intend adding software support for this very soon.
So yes !
I have a friend with a cossie who will be doing exactly this very soon ...
Have a P8 on the way too...
hey simon, i was giving it some thought today,
and id like to run this full time in my saff as a dash display via a small computer, and a screen i would build into a custom dash cluster....no plans yet just an idea...
now, would it be possible for this to give a speed display via a abs sensor? so you could have a large speed reading, and scatter the other displays around it....
and id like to run this full time in my saff as a dash display via a small computer, and a screen i would build into a custom dash cluster....no plans yet just an idea...
now, would it be possible for this to give a speed display via a abs sensor? so you could have a large speed reading, and scatter the other displays around it....
So yes !
I have a friend with a cossie who will be doing exactly this very soon ...
02-01-2009, 08:17 PM
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Stu, Thanks YHPM
Have a P8 on the way too...
I have found a cheapish off the shelf interface board that will accept most sensor inputs and intend adding software support for this very soon.
So yes !
I have a friend with a cossie who will be doing exactly this very soon ...
Have a P8 on the way too...
I have found a cheapish off the shelf interface board that will accept most sensor inputs and intend adding software support for this very soon.
So yes !
I have a friend with a cossie who will be doing exactly this very soon ...
id like to do this to, will be a bit akward having a laptop on the dash all the time
02-01-2009, 08:25 PM
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Stu,
I may have a solution to this in the form of a single board PC that has instant boot from a flash disk.
It doesnt have a display but you add what you want
I dont have details with me here as I am not at home at present.
My friend will be buying one of these in the very near future to try.
I think they are about Ł250 but then you could buy a cheap laptop for that these days !!!
I may have a solution to this in the form of a single board PC that has instant boot from a flash disk.
It doesnt have a display but you add what you want
I dont have details with me here as I am not at home at present.
My friend will be buying one of these in the very near future to try.
I think they are about Ł250 but then you could buy a cheap laptop for that these days !!!
02-01-2009, 08:26 PM
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Simon, i have to admit that with the development, this is getting better and better 
also with regards to the RP Labs implant, whay was it so much cheaper abroad than in this country ? another reason why it has not sold over here, i think someone has 'taxed' it a little too much - hence its demise before it got going
also with regards to the RP Labs implant, whay was it so much cheaper abroad than in this country ? another reason why it has not sold over here, i think someone has 'taxed' it a little too much - hence its demise before it got going
05-01-2009, 01:15 PM
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hey simon, i was giving it some thought today,
and id like to run this full time in my saff as a dash display via a small computer, and a screen i would build into a custom dash cluster....no plans yet just an idea...
now, would it be possible for this to give a speed display via a abs sensor? so you could have a large speed reading, and scatter the other displays around it....
and id like to run this full time in my saff as a dash display via a small computer, and a screen i would build into a custom dash cluster....no plans yet just an idea...
now, would it be possible for this to give a speed display via a abs sensor? so you could have a large speed reading, and scatter the other displays around it....
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**** UPDATE ****
Ok, I have successfully tested on the following ECU's so far ...
L6 Pectel
L8 Pectel Super 8
P8 Pectel
P8 Pectel Super 8
Just waiting for a L8 Pectel 4 injector ECU which should turn up this week.
I hope by next week to have a ready version for external testing.
I need to make up a load of cables so that I can send out some test kits to some of you volunteers
I dont think anyone thinks this is a viable project as I have had zero interested from potential distributors but quite a bit of negative feedback from tuners...lol
Ok, I have successfully tested on the following ECU's so far ...
L6 Pectel
L8 Pectel Super 8
P8 Pectel
P8 Pectel Super 8
Just waiting for a L8 Pectel 4 injector ECU which should turn up this week.
I hope by next week to have a ready version for external testing.
I need to make up a load of cables so that I can send out some test kits to some of you volunteers
I dont think anyone thinks this is a viable project as I have had zero interested from potential distributors but quite a bit of negative feedback from tuners...lol
05-01-2009, 07:58 PM
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Jesus, looks like I have upset someone else now...
I have had an email today from "a tuner" stating he will sue me if my software is able to read, alter or copy his maps.
I just reminded him that all his maps are based on other peoples work originally like nearlly all weber chips...LOL
Unfortunately, this just made him reply with more insults !
(This wasnt Stu or Tony !)
It seems that some people are assuming this project is about software piracy.....it isnt !!!!!
In fact, if anyone has reservations about anything I am doing then perhaps a polite message or phone call is better than throwing threats around.
I am a reasonable guy...but I wont be bullied...
This has made me consider adding a protection feature to identify certain tuners maps and maybe lock them out with a password they can supply to unlock them.
Unfortunately, this means they would have to cooperate with me so that I can correctly do this...realistically, I cant see that happening unless hell freezes over !
C4llyT,
Thanks.
VEEDUBBED,
Thanks for that offer, much appreciated. If I need to do more tests, I will contact you.
I have had an email today from "a tuner" stating he will sue me if my software is able to read, alter or copy his maps.
I just reminded him that all his maps are based on other peoples work originally like nearlly all weber chips...LOL
Unfortunately, this just made him reply with more insults !
(This wasnt Stu or Tony !)
It seems that some people are assuming this project is about software piracy.....it isnt !!!!!
In fact, if anyone has reservations about anything I am doing then perhaps a polite message or phone call is better than throwing threats around.
I am a reasonable guy...but I wont be bullied...
This has made me consider adding a protection feature to identify certain tuners maps and maybe lock them out with a password they can supply to unlock them.
Unfortunately, this means they would have to cooperate with me so that I can correctly do this...realistically, I cant see that happening unless hell freezes over !
C4llyT,
Thanks.
VEEDUBBED,
Thanks for that offer, much appreciated. If I need to do more tests, I will contact you.
05-01-2009, 08:20 PM
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Are most tuners chips not encrypted already ?, there must be other ways to copy and write a chip already out there too
Could be wrong though
Will this work with the S8 Simon ?
Could be wrong though
Will this work with the S8 Simon ?
05-01-2009, 08:40 PM
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Bri,
Encryption is only there to stop the copying of chips by anyone with an eprom programmer..... Its only a minor inconvenience to me !
I am not in the market of copying and/or making money from other peoples chips as I could so have easily done this years ago. !
Regarding the ECU you mentioned.... It is in the selection list in the software already
(Demo versions of the software will not communicate with any ECU at present)
Encryption is only there to stop the copying of chips by anyone with an eprom programmer..... Its only a minor inconvenience to me !
I am not in the market of copying and/or making money from other peoples chips as I could so have easily done this years ago. !
Regarding the ECU you mentioned.... It is in the selection list in the software already
(Demo versions of the software will not communicate with any ECU at present)
05-01-2009, 08:41 PM
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Jesus, looks like I have upset someone else now...
I have had an email today from "a tuner" stating he will sue me if my software is able to read, alter or copy his maps.
Unfortunately, this means they would have to cooperate with me so that I can correctly do this...realistically, I cant see that happening unless hell freezes over !
C4llyT,
Thanks.
VEEDUBBED,
Thanks for that offer, much appreciated. If I need to do more tests, I will contact you.
I have had an email today from "a tuner" stating he will sue me if my software is able to read, alter or copy his maps.
Unfortunately, this means they would have to cooperate with me so that I can correctly do this...realistically, I cant see that happening unless hell freezes over !
C4llyT,
Thanks.
VEEDUBBED,
Thanks for that offer, much appreciated. If I need to do more tests, I will contact you.
i would purposely produce this just for that reason, as there is no way that anyone who produces maps for the weber IAW software has a hope in hell of winning in court over software control/ownership/propery or any other legal (deemed illegal) way shape or form.
06-01-2009, 07:06 AM
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06-01-2009, 06:11 PM
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I couldn't map a toaster and i don't think id want to try in case id only toast one side ... Id leave the protocol out Si unless anyone specifically asks for it' but saying that i wouldn't want to be bullied either so may just leave it in lol
... Id leave the protocol out Si unless anyone specifically asks for it' but saying that i wouldn't want to be bullied either so may just leave it in lol