BigErn

How much do either of these go for?

4x4 spaced will suffice me really cos it only goin on a 380 bhp - 400bhp ish car. But I dont know what kind of money either make now. I gave £25 for my last 4x4 plenum

Cheers

BigErn

Anyone? Just a rough price will do, Ill not hold you to it

SillyFezzaMk1

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think the ST pleum costs 100-150 ish.....I was asfter one for mine but managed to do a swap on a complete st inlet,tb and iscv for my 4x4 one plus a loom..

I have been after one for the right money for a long time, probably 6 months looking....not many come available.

The 4x4 should be good for thepower you want.

Cheers
Dan

Moonstone Steve.

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People have been known to give away 4wd inlets where as a st will cost upwards of £200.

Steve

SillyFezzaMk1

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that for just the cover or complete with throttle body steve?

Reason being I swapped a full 4x4 inlet and a standard loom for a st inlet complete....reckon I got a deal there!!!!!

Dan

Tabz @ S.M.Auto's

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Sure Ryan sold an st one on here for £150 not so long ago.
Oh and whats the most obvious way of telling a standard 4x4 item form a ST one, as I have about 5 plenums lying about.

mechanic28

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would you need a spacer on a 4x4 one to acheive 400bhp?

Moonstone Steve.

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Just the cover m8, ive seen loads sell on ebay for that.
The small turbo has the vac pipes and act sensor in differant position dosnt it
Wouldnt of thought so Doug

Steve

Moonstone Steve.

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Just done a quick search and found this on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=016

It looks as it has had the act sensor fitted in the norm position and the vac take offs are at the front.

Steve

SillyFezzaMk1

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std 4x4s are meant to be good for around the 450 mark.

The ST escos covers dont have the central bit where the act and vac pipes come off of, they have them on the very ends of the plenum. Also the throttle body flange measures ~70mm as apposed to LT which is ~60mm. They are slightly deeper too from what I can see.

cheers
Dan

mechanic28

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i thought st ones did not have a act sensor in it as they run a mass air flow?

SillyFezzaMk1

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does anyone know how much the throttle bodies go for? I have a 70mm ST escos throttle body but want to stay L8 so if its not worth a deal I'll have it converted to run L8 TPS.

Cheers
Dan

SillyFezzaMk1

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ACT sensor is needed on any management IIRC, its MAP sensor thats substituted for MAF.

Dan

Tabz @ S.M.Auto's

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Oh good thats means I have to covers here which will come to good use.

mechanic28

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intake temp sensor is incorporated in mass air flow most newer cars(well vx anyway)just thought this was the case on st ones

Garage19

ST TB is 60mm.

jaimesdna

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i paid £150 delivered for my st cover off here

SillyFezzaMk1

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Nope, ST escos on EECIV management has a 70mm throttle body. std 2wd and 4wd are 63mm.

Cheers
Dan

P.S. I have on and have measured it, deffo 70mm.

Garage19

You may have measured it, but you have measured incorrectly.

You are measuring external sizes, and whats the point of doing that???

I could turn up a TB with an external size of 63mm (common hose size) but only have a 30mm diameter bore through it.

At the point where the throttle plate is and at its smallest INTERNAL diameter saph ones are 55mm and the ST ones 60mm. I have a ST one on my car in my workshop.

Psycho Warren

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If people are paying near £200 for just the cover, arent they better off going for a plenum off the garage 19 bloko on here?????

SillyFezzaMk1

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I would rather have a proven ford designed part over a fabricated swedish tbh, at least you know you will be getting even airflow to all cylinders then, SOME (not implying garage 19 inlets are good/bad/indifferent) can restrict airflow to No4.

jaimesdna

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i think its all about throttle response & how much power you want. as far as im aware small turbo ones are best up till 500bhp, after that i think that a swedish style one would be better. only going on what i have read

Mike Rainbird

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The ST runs a MAP sensor as well .

pete mcrash

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......yeh,but upto 450ish the saff 4x4 is best........

adamski frst

while this is here are the covers are different BUT are the trumpet parts the same LT + ST as i am thinking of getting mine ported!?

f6cus

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i bought a full st inlet for 120 quid last year it had never been fitted to an engine i got that of ebay

Garage19

Thats wrong. No swedish type plenum restricts flow to number 4, in fact quite the opposite.

SillyFezzaMk1

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Ok mate i meant to say gets differnet rate of flow to no4, might still be better than std but the difference across the posrts can be greater.

Like I said I'm not knocking your inlets, never seen one to comment on so would be unfair of me to do so....I'm just having my opinion that for the same kind of money I can have a ford researched and developed inlet capable of more power than I require.

You cant say any swedish style is good, I've seen home made jobbies on ebay that are like cornetto cones, you can't tell me theyre getting even flow to all 4 cyl.

Dan

Garage19

If an inlet manifold is a restriction at when flowing 450 bhp worth of air through it will stiil be a restriction at 350 bhp. The negative effect will be less and proportional but it will still have an effect. I have done back to back tests with a stock plenum that show airflow is considerably increased with my plenum. Enough to make a good difference even on a T34 engine.

It is the tapper in the manifold that is the critical part of the design which prevents un equal flow.